Saddam Hussein Captured!

Author: Switch Radic
Date: 14-Dec-2003, 5:50 AM

Author: Switch Radic
Time: 14-Dec-2003 5:50 AM
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I just found out that this guy was finally captured. I think this fact alone requires some discussion about when we will see this thing end and so forth.

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Author: Montcalm
Time: 14-Dec-2003 6:25 AM
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Listening about it on the news,they`re wondering if he will be tried in an American military court,international or an Arab one.

Author: RRS-1980
Time: 14-Dec-2003 11:50 AM
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Damn, and he promised to send me a nice T-72 wrapped in camo-painted paper for X-Mas... guess no chances to get my present now...

LOL

I wish I had the $750 000 there were on him at the moment he was captured. Coz I feel I deserve them more than such a blood-thirsty dictator as he is.

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Author: jimbo
Time: 14-Dec-2003 12:21 PM
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This is good. I was never afraid of the guy. Hes too stupid to conduct anything against America without power. Still his capture is a good thing. I wonder what there going to do to the creep.

Author: Shimraa
Time: 14-Dec-2003 3:37 PM
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i would never call sadam stupid, insane maybe but not stupid. i congragulate america on captureing him if they have and i am very happy that America finally got one of there two most wanted men. however until the DNA reports come in i am not buying that they caught him, some how it just doesnt feel right. i never expected him to be captured the in the way he was. all i can say is that i hope the DNA Test is positive.

i pose a question; What do you think would happen if the US finds out after DNA tests that they havent caught him?

Author: RRS-1980
Time: 14-Dec-2003 8:41 PM
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IIRC, the DNA tests were already made, and he's a 100% pure refined Saddam - best served with tomatoes and cucumbers

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Author: Jedi Master
Time: 14-Dec-2003 9:32 PM
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I still say they should be looking for Osama bin Laden instead. Saddam Hussein isn't smart enough to be a threat to a nation like the United States. Osama bin Laden planned and carried out his attacks and yet he's still at large and he's all but forgotten about. What's up with that?

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IIRC, the DNA tests were already made, and he's a 100% pure refined Saddam - best served with tomatoes and cucumbers

Are you crazy? That's like asking the evil Queen for a poisoned apple

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Author: Bossk
Time: 15-Dec-2003 3:35 AM
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I also agree that Osama should have remained our number 1 target all along. I'm sure he still is, but you never hear anything about the Bin Laden Gopher Bop anymore (read: he keeps popping up all over the place in videotapes and audio recordings and we keep striking right where we believe it was that he showed up out of his gopher hole like the old arcade game with the gophers and the mallot). I think we need to reassure the world that we're still after him.

And so far as I've heard, they intend to allow an Iraqi court to try Hussein. With American advisors of course.

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Author: Shimraa
Time: 15-Dec-2003 7:24 PM
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me too. however i was think the otherday, do you think it is possible that. the US invaded iraq as a way the lure alcieda into iraq? Once alcieda was in Iraq the US could start to catch more mebemer of the organization. the more members caught the more info they coul get on what is going on. just a thought thou.

Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 16-Dec-2003 3:09 AM
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Shimraa, do you mean Al-Qaeda? Alcieda sounds like a Nicaraguan terrorist outfit, which is really ironic when you consider that the American military named their operation to capture Saddam Opreation Red Dawn.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 16-Dec-2003 4:39 AM
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Nah, I don't think that's why at all, Shimraa. We had justification and international support to go after Al Qaida in Afghanistan. However, that wasn't good enough for us. We found some information that said Al Qaida was training in Iraq and had funding from Iraq, so we trumpeted that up into justification to go to war against Iraq which many of still believe is just Dubya's way of finishing what his father started in 1991. Honestly, I look at it as just an excuse to go to war against Iraq. I don't think we should be there. If anything, the U.S. comes off in the worldview as being the aggressor. No longer are we the country running to help the little guy being bullied like we did when Iraq invaded Kuwait back in 1990. Now, we're the invader. Yes, Iraq has done some bad stuff. There's no question about it. But, what right do we have to tell another country how they can be run? By that rationale, any nation that does not support democracy has the right to just come over here and overthrow Bush.

I support our troops and hope they return home soon. I just am not a big fan of our Commander in Chief.

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 16-Dec-2003 9:10 AM
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Or some might say that any country that DOES support democracy could come over and topple Bush

Here's my random thoughts:

-Saddam is a cruel dictator, its good that he is no longer incharge of a country

-the war against Iraq was not just, and ultimately will do more harm then good

-Bush is evil

-Iraq posed no threat to the USA IMHO, and the WOMD was all bull. If he had them, why not use them while being invaded?

-every time I hear about Pt. Jessica Lynch I want to vomit. Its the most shameless manipulation of facts to hollywoodize a war I've ever seen. Shame shame.

-Part of me gets a kick out of what a cocksucker Saddam could be. He has the biggest army in the world coming to Usurp him, with no chance of victory for himself, and his attitude "Bring it on! You stand no chance America!!". Its dumb but it makes me laugh

-'Three kings' is an excellent movie everyone should see

-alot of this comes down to oil once again

-What exactly are they going to charge Saddam with? Can he prove not guilty to being Saddam Hussien?

-A lady I work with at the grocery store today cheered when she found out Saddam was caught. I asked her if she thought there was any chance of him getting a fair trial. Her response "They should just put him in a hole and shoot him." a minute later she admited that she didn't know the USA was even looking for Saddam, had no idea about the invasion of Iraq last April, and was not even aware why Saddam was a "badguy". But she reinforced that it was great that he was caught, and she hoped he died painfully.

-I don't think Saddam and Osama have any connection to each other

-It hink Osama was caught by the USA months ago, and is stuck in a cell somewhere. However just before the election, Bush will announce that they have "found the evil doer at last" which will conviently make Americans love BUsh again, at least long enough for him to be reelected and terrorize the world and squash the rights of hard working AMericans for another 4 years.

-the chances of Iraq becoming a free democracy out of this whole thing are pretty slim IMHO, and if they do they will probably be a puppet nation for the USA.

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Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 16-Dec-2003 10:04 AM
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See Wag the Dog; it will put the whole "War on Iraq" in a new light.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 16-Dec-2003 11:04 AM
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Or some might say that any country that DOES support democracy could come over and topple Bush

Ouch. But I agree. Sadly.

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-every time I hear about Pt. Jessica Lynch I want to vomit. Its the most shameless manipulation of facts to hollywoodize a war I've ever seen. Shame shame.

My wife and I agree wholeheartedly. Makes us both sick. A recent People magazine had reader reactions to an older issue with the whole Jessica Lynch thing in it. People were saying things like, "why is she spending all this money on a Vera Wang wedding dress when she could use it to help others?" or "She claims she was never able to meet with the Iraqi lawyer who helped her because her schedule was too busy... she was in a hospital recovering the whole time, what kind of schedule conflicts could she possibly have?" That sort of thing. Made us both laugh.

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-'Three kings' is an excellent movie everyone should see

Damn fine flick. Brings humanity to the other side of the original conflict as well. I'm referring to the interrogation scene of Wahlberg's character when the Iraqi officer talks about his own family and how they were affected and how Bush lied about helping and all that. Great film.

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-A lady I work with at the grocery store today cheered when she found out Saddam was caught. I asked her if she thought there was any chance of him getting a fair trial. Her response "They should just put him in a hole and shoot him." a minute later she admited that she didn't know the USA was even looking for Saddam, had no idea about the invasion of Iraq last April, and was not even aware why Saddam was a "badguy". But she reinforced that it was great that he was caught, and she hoped he died painfully.

Sadly, most of the citizens of the US are this ignorant. Many think that we invaded Iraq because they were responsible for the attack on the WTC. Ummm... no.

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-I don't think Saddam and Osama have any connection to each other

They have some connection, but not the one that the U.S. is saying they have.

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-It hink Osama was caught by the USA months ago, and is stuck in a cell somewhere. However just before the election, Bush will announce that they have "found the evil doer at last" which will conviently make Americans love BUsh again, at least long enough for him to be reelected and terrorize the world and squash the rights of hard working AMericans for another 4 years.

I think you said this a while ago as well and I agreed with you then, too.

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-the chances of Iraq becoming a free democracy out of this whole thing are pretty slim IMHO, and if they do they will probably be a puppet nation for the USA.

No chance in hell that they will ever be "free".

And, yes, Wag the Dog was an incredibly eye-opening film. Amazing how easy it is.

Author: RRS-1980
Time: 16-Dec-2003 12:44 PM
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A side note:

I was watching a some sort of satirical show with my parents today, and as it perfectly laughed up the present political situation in my country, we all enjoyed it, fishing out all those "cute" remarks about those in power. I have friends who share my sense of humor.

Now I'm reading your comments about the current geopolitical sitiuation, and particularly about Dubya and war in Iraq.

And this is what came to my mind:
When (most of) the people you surround yourself with share your point of view, you have strange feeling that other people think the same, that this is how others perceive the events. The only thing that wakes you from such folly is "If they're all thinking "it's all wrong" just as I do, then why we're still in this madness?".

To make fun of a commie motto:
"All sane people of good will - unite!"

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Author: Bossk
Time: 17-Dec-2003 3:07 AM
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Because I unfortunately know plenty that do support Bush. Blindly, it may seem... but support him they do.

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 17-Dec-2003 8:02 AM
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not to mention that a high percentage of people are lazy and apathetic. Fixing things would be a lot of work, and really what can one person do (their attitude not mine), its easier when you come home from a hard day at your under paid job to sit down and turn on the TV and watch Paris Hilton milk a cow then it is to go out and protest in the cold against the president.

Its easier to ignore the problems of people far away then it is to care about them.

ANd for many people, the lies that bush and others in power propagate are much more appealing to believe the cold hard truth that the world is a run away train right now, careening out of control. We've got comfy seats and we're well sediated so we don't notice, but we'll feel the impact eventually.

If the human race is still around in 40 years I'm going to be extremely surprised. Relieved, but surprised.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 17-Dec-2003 8:23 AM
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At the rate we're going, the thought of us wiping ourselves out is not all that unbelievable a possibility. 40 years? God I hope not, but I don't see us working against that likelihood. Scary as hell, ain't it?

Author: Shimraa
Time: 17-Dec-2003 6:17 PM
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Nah, I don't think that's why at all, Shimraa. We had justification and international support to go after Al Qaida in Afghanistan. However, that wasn't good enough for us. We found some information that said Al Qaida was training in Iraq and had funding from Iraq, so we trumpeted that up into justification to go to war against Iraq which many of still believe is just Dubya's way of finishing what his father started in 1991. Honestly, I look at it as just an excuse to go to war against Iraq. I don't think we should be there. If anything, the U.S. comes off in the worldview as being the aggressor. No longer are we the country running to help the little guy being bullied like we did when Iraq invaded Kuwait back in 1990. Now, we're the invader. Yes, Iraq has done some bad stuff. There's no question about it. But, what right do we have to tell another country how they can be run? By that rationale, any nation that does not support democracy has the right to just come over here and overthrow Bush.

I support our troops and hope they return home soon. I just am not a big fan of our Commander in Chief.

just curious bossk but do you know the full story aboput kawat?

Wag the Dogs tale and Three Kings are both fantasyic movies i loved both of them and when i get the money they going inot my collection.

Author: Bossk
Time: 18-Dec-2003 5:31 AM
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I'll be honest and say that no I don't know the whole story. I never did much research into it and only heard what the U.S. media presented. I take their "facts" along with "facts" that I read elsewhere or saw on TV programs and develop my own conclusions. I doubt anyone really knows the "whole" story. There are always subtle little nuances that never see the light of day in situations like this. But please enlighten me a little bit. Seeing as how I haven't really thought much about it in nearly a decade, it would be nice to have a refresher.

Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 18-Dec-2003 5:39 AM
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Bossk, remind me to get you the reference for an article on the spin placed on the first Iraq war. It's very enlightening.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 18-Dec-2003 7:05 AM
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Okay, consider yourself reminded.

Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 18-Dec-2003 7:21 AM
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At the rate we're going, the thought of us wiping ourselves out is not all that unbelievable a possibility. 40 years? God I hope not, but I don't see us working against that likelihood. Scary as hell, ain't it?

indeed.

Its our abuse of the environment more then anything that will be our downfall methinks. Things get worse so gradually that people just go with the flow. I remember when drinking bottled water meant you were a crazy rich person and it use to snow all winter.

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Author: Rebel Scumb
Time: 18-Dec-2003 7:29 AM
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I'll be honest and say that no I don't know the whole story. I never did much research into it and only heard what the U.S. media presented. I take their "facts" along with "facts" that I read elsewhere or saw on TV programs and develop my own conclusions. I doubt anyone really knows the "whole" story. There are always subtle little nuances that never see the light of day in situations like this. But please enlighten me a little bit. Seeing as how I haven't really thought much about it in nearly a decade, it would be nice to have a refresher.

Well Kuwait itself is far from free and democratic, its run by an elite cadre of shieks, and living conditions for the general population are just as crappy as they are in Iraq. The USA say they liberated Kuwait, but they just returned them to their original dictators, who happen to be friendly with the USA and sell them Oil.

Iraq also attacked Iran in the 1980s with no more mercy or provication then what they did to Kuwait, but the uSA didn't lift a finger because Iran was their big enemy at the time, and the USA was actually sort of pushing the invasion which is partially why Saddam was allowed to take power. Infact many of the weapons used by Iraq during the Gulf war were weapons given to them by the US to fight Iran.

Also many of the supposed attrocities commited by Saddam against Kuwait are exaggerated at best. I recall one major news story from the time of a nurse saying she saw Saddam enter a hospital and shoot murder new born babies while they slept. Infact that was what I remember my parents telling me about Saddam, that he murdered babies. Well as it turns out the "nurse" who was the sole witness to these events was actually the daughter of a prominent Kuwaiti ambassador, and she had never even been to Kuwait, much less witnessed Saddam taking time out of his day to murder infants.

Is saddam a monster? Certainly. But as we all know things are never as black and white as we are lead to believe. I'm so glad this forum has a good cross section of forward thinking open minded people who can discuss this stuff intelligently.

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Author: Bossk
Time: 18-Dec-2003 8:12 AM
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I knew the stuff about the living conditions in Kuwait and whatnot. I also knew about the oil and our former alliances with middle eastern countries. Always cracked me up how we (the U.S.) are responsible for having armed all these people we now battle. We armed Afghanistan in its war with the Soviet Union and then we fought them. The CIA trained Osama Bin Laden and then we went to war against him. We armed Iraq against Iran and now we fight them. Ironically enough, doesn't The Last Samurai show how Japan tried to modernize its army by employing help from the U.S.? Then, like 70 years later, they're bombing Pearl Harbor? Yes, I realize Japan is not the middle east, but I wanted to point it out anyway. I'm waiting for some smartass to say, "hey Bossk, Japan is the far east, not the middle east."

We just need to keep our weapons to ourselves.

If y'all can't create your own armaments, then you are SOL. And dems da facts, Jack!

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