STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 72

I dont think its the technical issue that holds Ady back on this one, he already remixed Vader voice quite considerably as well as enhancing many other sounds and audio. It definetly have nothing to do with the PT, if it ties them together by chance then thats a bonus but its not a priority. And its not a “fix” either its just an alternative, Vader responds “Obi-Wan once thought as you do” after Luke asks him to come with him. That is pretty much everything Obi-Wan does in the prequels, and its also what we learn about the past through the OT. Although Obi-Wan gives up when Vader is completely turned, the “once” moment does not refer to a week, a month, a year ago.

If “mother” is hard to create, he said “Padmé” in RotS.

ray_afraid said:

MalàStrana said:

If “mother” is hard to create, he said “Padmé” in RotS.

Oh god…

This.

I’m not sure I’d even want to watch the edit if Darth Vader says “Padme” in ROTJ.

And what if Vader is called “Ani” by the Emperor, would you watch the edit ?

MalàStrana said:

And what if Vader is called “Ani” by the Emperor, would you watch the edit ?

What is wrong with you?

LordZerome1080 said:

MalàStrana said:

And what if Vader is called “Ani” by the Emperor, would you watch the edit ?

What is wrong with you?

Dude, be serious… (or not ? http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1171669)

(edit: just in case, I want to make it clear I’m just kidding…)

LordZerome1080 said:

MalàStrana said:

And what if Vader is called “Ani” by the Emperor, would you watch the edit ?

What is wrong with you?

I just want to hear Vader talk about sand.

You don’t know the power of the dark sand !

RE: Editing / jumps between the three sequences of ROTJ’s climax.

I recently listened to a Rian Johnson podcast where he spoke about editing TLJ’s big three sequence setpiece (Throne Room / Finn & Rose infiltration / Holdo Manoeuvre) and the interesting part was that the script and earlier test screens had a lot more intercutting. It was considerably toned down in the final edit, so that audiences remained with each plot strand for longer. Johnson felt the sequence worked much better with less intercutting.

Adywan, I wonder whether Revisited might allow you the opportunity to slightly steer ROTJ three-sequence climax in this direction too?

Have you locked down yet where the additional material (B-Wings in the space battle, and more ground troops in the Endor battle) will be inserted? And will that extra material mean more intercutting or will it mean the audience actually stays within each plot strand for longer?

I don’t know how others feel, but for myself I feel I care more about the sequences when they last longer. It’s harder to build concern about the fate of the rebel pilots for example, when the film whisks you away so quickly.

I personally think the final battles in RotJ is one of the best edited sequences in the saga. If Adywan can improve on that it’d be superb though, but it wouldn’t be much more than a bonus to me.

Besides it’s gonna be a nightmare to edit it without touching (“damaging”) the musical score…

Which is already horribly messed up enough.

Great looking model (does Adywan actually physically put lights into his models or add them as fx?).

I am presuming the music will need an additional arrangement adding for the B-Wing sequence, and potentially the changes in the Endor battle (both shot additions and removals) could also change the timings. Adywan has always seemed to me as being very interested in the music and pays great attention to it, so I do not doubt that he will make it sound cohesive.

My main point was querying whether the additional B-Wing sequence would be a natural lengthening to an existing scene of the space battle, or whether we would cut from Endor to B-Wings and then back to Endor. For me, I would rather it was tacked on to a scene of the space battle rather than making the already choppy three-sequence climax even more so. I don’t know if Adywan is in a position to say exactly where in the timeline he will insert the new sequence? I think the B-Wing action is the most exciting prospect for ROTJ: R and be fascinating to hear any info on the plans.

If any additional music is needed I’ve always thought the music from the sky hook battle in the Shadows of the Empire sound track would fit well in the rotj death star battle.

Thanks for the heads up on those two pieces of music, I just looked them up and hadn’t heard either before.

I really enjoyed them both but the choral element in the Sky Hook Battle might jar a little with the rest of the ROTJ soundtrack.

The Beggars Canyon Chase is very dramatic and good indeed. Here is the link for anyone (Adywan!) who wants a listen, the segment INVAR has proposed begins at 2:20mins in…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBCKVC2FmoE

Matt.F said:

RE: Editing / jumps between the three sequences of ROTJ’s climax.

I recently listened to a Rian Johnson podcast where he spoke about editing TLJ

Why would you use TLJ as a source for editing tips? I don’t want this to turn into a slag off session of TLJ but apart of some question plot decisions (Leia flying), the editing department was what really let the movie down.
Now I liked the climactic battle between Ray, Kylo and the guards but I hated that every time I got invested in it, it cut away. If you are going to cut from a tense moment, it’s best to cut to another tense moment and keep going back and forth regularly to give a sense of urgency. Other wise you should leave it to play out in full, but that is less effective if the situation is meant to be a climax, as it makes it makes it appear to happen sequentially rather than concurrently.

Telion said:

Matt.F said:

RE: Editing / jumps between the three sequences of ROTJ’s climax.

I recently listened to a Rian Johnson podcast where he spoke about editing TLJ

Why would you use TLJ as a source for editing tips? I don’t want this to turn into a slag off session of TLJ but apart of some question plot decisions (Leia flying), the editing department was what really let the movie down.
Now I liked the climactic battle between Ray, Kylo and the guards but I hated that every time I got invested in it, it cut away. If you are going to cut from a tense moment, it’s best to cut to another tense moment and keep going back and forth regularly to give a sense of urgency. Other wise you should leave it to play out in full, but that is less effective if the situation is meant to be a climax, as it makes it makes it appear to happen sequentially rather than concurrently.

Oh my god, thanks so much for your valuable insight. What would adywan have done without you? Thought that TLJ was good? Try to change ROTJ to be better? You’re a real hero!

DominicCobb said:

Telion said:

Matt.F said:

RE: Editing / jumps between the three sequences of ROTJ’s climax.

I recently listened to a Rian Johnson podcast where he spoke about editing TLJ

Why would you use TLJ as a source for editing tips? I don’t want this to turn into a slag off session of TLJ but apart of some question plot decisions (Leia flying), the editing department was what really let the movie down.
Now I liked the climactic battle between Ray, Kylo and the guards but I hated that every time I got invested in it, it cut away. If you are going to cut from a tense moment, it’s best to cut to another tense moment and keep going back and forth regularly to give a sense of urgency. Other wise you should leave it to play out in full, but that is less effective if the situation is meant to be a climax, as it makes it makes it appear to happen sequentially rather than concurrently.

Oh my god, thanks so much for your valuable insight. What would adywan have done without you? Thought that TLJ was good? Try to change ROTJ to be better? You’re a real hero!

The rude sarcasm seems a bit uncalled for.

Darth Lucas said:

DominicCobb said:

Telion said:

Matt.F said:

RE: Editing / jumps between the three sequences of ROTJ’s climax.

I recently listened to a Rian Johnson podcast where he spoke about editing TLJ

Why would you use TLJ as a source for editing tips? I don’t want this to turn into a slag off session of TLJ but apart of some question plot decisions (Leia flying), the editing department was what really let the movie down.
Now I liked the climactic battle between Ray, Kylo and the guards but I hated that every time I got invested in it, it cut away. If you are going to cut from a tense moment, it’s best to cut to another tense moment and keep going back and forth regularly to give a sense of urgency. Other wise you should leave it to play out in full, but that is less effective if the situation is meant to be a climax, as it makes it makes it appear to happen sequentially rather than concurrently.

Oh my god, thanks so much for your valuable insight. What would adywan have done without you? Thought that TLJ was good? Try to change ROTJ to be better? You’re a real hero!

The rude sarcasm seems a bit uncalled for.

Agree to disagree!

This just doesn’t seem the thread for someone’s hot takes on a movie that isn’t the movie being discussed here.

Well thank you, DominicCobb for your ‘valuable insight’ into the life of a belligerent sycophant. I’m sure Adywan feels so grateful to have such ‘Cobb’ (<— we all know what should be there) protecting his forum from off topic posters such as myself.
I am not someone to turn away from criticism. I am sure that there is a perfectly good reason why my opinion and attempt at constructive criticism to a topic of discussion - re-cutting the climactic battle of ROTJ, to more resemble the pacing of TLJ’s one - was so appalling to you, even when so many other had joined in. I am sure if I asked you would kindly and graciously, offer up to me some exquisite examples, of valuable and insightful comments, of you own.
But I urge you not to bother, for I am resourceful and found some of you finest comments (which I am sure Adywan found most helpful) and shall in future use these as a template for my own:
“I would like to declare that I have never read a James Patterson novel.”
“Um, no.”
“No. Just… no.”
"Hahahahahahaha"
So if we are all in agreement, I’ll leave you with: Um, no. Just… James Patterson novels. Hahahaha

DominicCobb said:

Darth Lucas said:

DominicCobb said:

Telion said:

Matt.F said:

RE: Editing / jumps between the three sequences of ROTJ’s climax.

I recently listened to a Rian Johnson podcast where he spoke about editing TLJ

Why would you use TLJ as a source for editing tips? I don’t want this to turn into a slag off session of TLJ but apart of some question plot decisions (Leia flying), the editing department was what really let the movie down.
Now I liked the climactic battle between Ray, Kylo and the guards but I hated that every time I got invested in it, it cut away. If you are going to cut from a tense moment, it’s best to cut to another tense moment and keep going back and forth regularly to give a sense of urgency. Other wise you should leave it to play out in full, but that is less effective if the situation is meant to be a climax, as it makes it makes it appear to happen sequentially rather than concurrently.

Oh my god, thanks so much for your valuable insight. What would adywan have done without you? Thought that TLJ was good? Try to change ROTJ to be better? You’re a real hero!

The rude sarcasm seems a bit uncalled for.

Agree to disagree!

This just doesn’t seem the thread for someone’s hot takes on a movie that isn’t the movie being discussed here.

He was using said movie to explain his position on re-editing the movie being discussed here. It wasn’t off topic and was directly responding to the discussion. There’s no need to be rude because someone doesn’t share your subjective opinion.