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While it could be done (when he has the visions during his training), it could take away something from the film. Detract from the experience, so to say. It's like with the Golden Compass*: you weren't supposed to be able to see what Lira saw, she was just supposed to explain it; I think it's the same with Luke.

*Her visions were shown, and I was just giving an example; it turned out for the worse.

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Well there really is not any surprises for us who are fans so I do not think it would ruin anything having it in there. I completely respect your opinion on that though.
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Originally posted by: bkev
While it could be done (when he has the visions during his training), it could take away something from the film. Detract from the experience, so to say.


i agree and disagree.

i like the input of the vision, so ep3 and 5 are linked in the same way, but maybe just sound in the background like when yoda senses anakin killing the tusken in ep 2?

maybe this is something that needs to be addressed in an eventual ep3 edit too (when we have long grey beards!)

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I was thinking it would include shots like han being lowered into chamber, leia watching him go down, and a view of bespin city pulling away
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Wow, I really enjoyed that trailer. And like everyone else I've got a couple things to say....

1. I really like the SE Wampa stuff. I hope it doesn't change, but it is your edit ady, as many have said, do what you want.

2. About that window in cloud city that disappears. I would really like to see the window stay, if you can find a way to matte in the window convincingly. I really like what was done to cloud city in the SE, except for this error in continuity.

3. I love the music for ESB, and don't feel that it needs changing. However, there is music that Williams wrote for a part of the lightsaber duel that was left unused (a really heroic rendition of the force theme followed by Yoda's theme). Would you consider fooling around with restoring the unused segment? I've always loved that particular cue (Departure of Boba Fett), and wondered if Lucas (or whoever decided not to use it) was right in the decision to leave that part out.

4. I also like the shots added involving Vader's shuttle and arrival on the Executor, but I understand how they disrupt the flow. Is there any way that the sequence's timing could be reworked in order to keep the shots?
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Originally posted by: teharri
ESB: Include dream view when Luke has visions of Han and Leia in Cloud City. If possible use the same effect that used in ROTS with Anakin's dreams. herehttp://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/teharri/pdvd0311jf.png

I had this idea posted in another thread. Wonder what you guys would think of this.



Please No, It was a cheap device used in ROTS to convey what could have easily been established by dialogue had George Lucas been any good at writing dialogue, Luke perfectly conveys the vision he sees of a city in the clouds and his friends in pain and the very next scene shows the Falcon landing on a 'city in the clouds', the audience really doesn't need to be hit over the head three times in the space of a minute with the message that his friends are heading into danger on Cloud City.

I don't understand why anyone would tamper with the original trilogy to make it better fit the prequals, when it should clearly be the other way round.

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You mention Vader being prepped by an advisor before his chat with the Emperor. That was Sate Pestage and it was a deleted scene from the movie. I would really like to se that but even if they filmed it, adywan would probably not have access to it. Its sealed away at Skywalker ranch or something like that.

Anyway, this is the scene I think you're talking about:

286 INT VADER'S STAR DESTROYER - VADER'S CHAMBER 286

Darth Vader stands before a shimmering holographic
image which slowly comes into focus. The image is
that of SATE PESTAGE, Grand Vizier to His Eminence,
Emperor.

VADER
Sate Pestage, I would see the
Emperor. He commands it.

PESTAGE
I must warn you, Lord Vader,
The Emperor is in a foul mood.
He bids you wait. Have you any
progress to report?

VADER
The rebel base on Hoth has been
destroyed. I am tracking down
the survivors.

PESTAGE
The Emperor will be with you in
time.

VADER
I wait at his convenience.



I'm glad that scene never made it, it just sounds like the Emperors receptionist is screening his calls, and it really belittles Vader's importance if he's ranked lower than the grand vizier. besides in the movie it is the emperor that requests Vader to make contact.

I can just imagine Vader losing his temper whilst listening to cheesey hold music
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
Please No, It was a cheap device used in ROTS to convey what could have easily been established by dialogue had George Lucas been any good at writing dialogue, Luke perfectly conveys the vision he sees of a city in the clouds and his friends in pain and the very next scene shows the Falcon landing on a 'city in the clouds', the audience really doesn't need to be hit over the head three times in the space of a minute with the message that his friends are heading into danger on Cloud City.

I don't understand why anyone would tamper with the original trilogy to make it better fit the prequals, when it should clearly be the other way round.


+1

You don't need to show and explain everything to the audience. Dream sequences are the paramount of cheese and in Empire it would be redundant since Luke explains wait he sees. Part of what made the Force so cool in the OT was it was mysterious.

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Originally posted by: teharri
ESB: Include dream view when Luke has visions of Han and Leia in Cloud City. If possible use the same effect that used in ROTS with Anakin's dreams. here
I had this idea posted in another thread. Wonder what you guys would think of this.



Please god NO! Please limit any prequel additions to music.

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Hey Lucas wrote the ANH dialogue yet fans have little to say bad about it. There seems to be some cognitive dissonance between people saying he's a bad writer and director, yet he made ANH!

Of course Lucas called himself the KING of WOODEN DIALOGUE.
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Congrats on the trailer Ady. I like it a lot. The changes you propose are very well thought-out. I don't really disagree with any of them the only thing I HATE about the trailer is when it says : "coming 2009"

Anyway. My suggestion is to limit the SE Hoth Wampa shots to only when it stands up that first time in the cave. Leave that one shot. That may be more freaky than seeing the thing all the time like lucas did in the SE.

Remember how in the movie Alien we only get quick glimpses of the Alien? Re-edit the scene that way.

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Originally posted by: Sevb32
Hey Lucas wrote the ANH dialogue yet fans have little to say bad about it.


Apparently Willard Huyck & Gloria Katz did an uncredited dialogue 'polish' on ANH, having provided similar services on AMERICAN GRAFFITI.
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ok i guess i still don't understand the shields as an adult

can the AT-AT's walk throught them or does the shield just not reach all the way to the ground?
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I'm glad that scene never made it, it just sounds like the Emperors receptionist is screening his calls, and it really belittles Vader's importance if he's ranked lower than the grand vizier. besides in the movie it is the emperor that requests Vader to make contact.

I would agree, if it wasn't for the mention of the Emperor's foul mood. It sounds like excellent build-up to his eventual appearance.

As it stands now, when Piett says the Emperor requests contact, instead of going "alright, we get to se the foul mooded Emperor than can scare freaking Darth Vader! This is gonna be sweet!" they are instead more likely to just say "there's an Emperor?". At least that's how I reacted.

Besides, I don't think it implies Vader to be below Pestage. More like equals, just as Lucas said on the ANH commentary.

But I guess this dicussion is kinda pointless since it will never be in ady's edit, it couldn't be. So I'll stop now.

can the AT-AT's walk throught them or does the shield just not reach all the way to the ground?


I think the At-AT's can walk through the sheild, sort of like the federation battle droids. But I'm not sure, so don't quote me on that,
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Originally posted by: Chrille

I think the At-AT's can walk through the sheild, sort of like the federation battle droids. But I'm not sure, so don't quote me on that,


Eh?!

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In my view, the shield is only impenetrable by lasers and other similar weapons. The ships can pass through the shield normally they just cannot fire through it. That is why the land beyond the horizon of the Hoth rebel base, out of the reach of the rebel fire, and attack with walkers. If they landed directly in front of the rebel base, they would be vulnerable during landing.
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Originally posted by: The Griff
Originally posted by: Sevb32
Hey Lucas wrote the ANH dialogue yet fans have little to say bad about it.


Apparently Willard Huyck & Gloria Katz did an uncredited dialogue 'polish' on ANH, having provided similar services on AMERICAN GRAFFITI.



I've heard things like that but where are the sources?
And Lucas supposedly had Tom Stoppard with his ROTS dialogue.
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The source for the line about the script rewrite is The Annotated Screenplays, iirc. And certainly SOMEONE rewrote the dialogue (compare the prior scripts).

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i like joshua blue's explanation for empire
but then why couldn't the DSII attack led by lando fly through the shields to blow that up
different kind of shield? anyone?
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Originally posted by: professa adyfan
buddy-x-wing
i love the idea of showing the drop ships deploying the AT-AT's


The problem here is that the reveal of the AT-ATs is perfect as it is - the distant thudding, followed by the visible dots on the horizon, then the fuzzy binocular view - it builds up an incredible anticipation. A fancy CG rendering of transport ships dropping them off would destroy all of that tension.

I kind of felt the same way about the new Death Star reveal in Star Wars Revisited, well-realised as it was - it would be a shame if the natural urge to 'see more' came at the expense of more classic suspenseful moments. Just my 2 cents.
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Originally posted by: Joshua_Blue
In my view, the shield is only impenetrable by lasers and other similar weapons. The ships can pass through the shield normally they just cannot fire through it. That is why the land beyond the horizon of the Hoth rebel base, out of the reach of the rebel fire, and attack with walkers. If they landed directly in front of the rebel base, they would be vulnerable during landing.
Well actually not even ships can get through the shield. Don't forget that they have to lower the shield for the transports to escape so my thought on this is that once the shield is lowered the walkers can slip through .
An interesting idea popped up earlier in the thread about seeing drop ships deploying the AT-AT's. But i feel that adding anything like that in would ruin the reveal of the AT-AT's when we see them through the macrobinoulars and would just be adding something in to the film that really doesn't need to be there. That's the thing i'm trying to avoid and that's the thing that Lucasfilm did with the SE's.
Also adding any sort of vision during Luke's training won't be happening. That's another thing we don't need to see . Luke describes his vision perfectly.
Originally posted by: Owen-Lars-Kenobi
1. I really like the SE Wampa stuff. I hope it doesn't change, but it is your edit ady, as many have said, do what you want.
The Wampa scene will be cut down. It will be closer to the original version than the SE but i haven't panned exactly how i'm going to do that just yet.
Originally posted by: Owen-Lars-Kenobi
2. About that window in cloud city that disappears. I would really like to see the window stay, if you can find a way to matte in the window convincingly. I really like what was done to cloud city in the SE, except for this error in continuity.

yes, i'm going to fix that error.
Originally posted by: Owen-Lars-Kenobi
4. I also like the shots added involving Vader's shuttle and arrival on the Executor, but I understand how they disrupt the flow. Is there any way that the sequence's timing could be reworked in order to keep the shots?

Those shots i absolutely hate. It totally ruins the pace of the sequence and i'm afraid they will be going.

One last thing. There will be no PT music added to ESB.

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One last thing. There will be no PT music added to ESB.


Agreed, ady.

But what about the Emperor's Theme from ROTJ? I think a subtle rendition would be just perfect for the hologram scene, give it an eerie (sp?) feel. It's kinda smiliar to the subtle musical backdrop to the conference scene in ANH that you added.
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I don't know about the Emperors theme. I love the underscoring during the hologram conversation, and think that the use of the theme would be unnecessary...
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Originally posted by: adywan
Originally posted by: Joshua_Blue
In my view, the shield is only impenetrable by lasers and other similar weapons. The ships can pass through the shield normally they just cannot fire through it. That is why the land beyond the horizon of the Hoth rebel base, out of the reach of the rebel fire, and attack with walkers. If they landed directly in front of the rebel base, they would be vulnerable during landing.

Well actually not even ships can get through the shield. Don't forget that they have to lower the shield for the transports to escape so my thought on this is that once the shield is lowered the walkers can slip through .
An interesting idea popped up earlier in the thread about seeing drop ships deploying the AT-AT's. But i feel that adding anything like that in would ruin the reveal of the AT-AT's when we see them through the macrobinoulars and would just be adding something in to the film that really doesn't need to be there. That's the thing i'm trying to avoid and that's the thing that Lucasfilm did with the SE's.


I think it would be possible to see the Star Destroyers dropping large transports of some kind without ruining the reveal of the AT-ATs. Not saying it should be done, just saying it's possible to show something without showing the main attraction.

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Originally posted by: Chrille
One last thing. There will be no PT music added to ESB.


Agreed, ady.

But what about the Emperor's Theme from ROTJ? I think a subtle rendition would be just perfect for the hologram scene, give it an eerie (sp?) feel. It's kinda smiliar to the subtle musical backdrop to the conference scene in ANH that you added.


I agree with this. It would be a nice tie in with ROTJ and the prequels, where it appears in about all of Palp's hologram transmissions. Of course, subtle is the key for this. Just to add for ambiance with out blasting it out.