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I have no idea if this is even possible, but over on the Starkiller thread about a year ago we talked about during the beginning of ESB, show the DSII being built. I think we put it by Mustafar.
Anyways.
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Originally posted by: gavin77
Hey, since adywan is using some type of upconverted HD source to make ESB, will the final DVD be played in a standard DVD player, or some type of Blue Ray player? Good suggestions so far, and I think Yoda looks great in the trailer........if Adywan's goal is to make the PT and OT match up better. Peace!


Then he has a lot of work color correcting Episodes I-III to make Yoda look like he does in ESB.

In The Phantom Menace he appears more a mottled brown colour than green.

I think a main issue of ESB is all the tinkering with dialogue and sound effects, I don't mind the saber effects etc. I would have been happy with Morrison as Bobba Fett IF he'd put a little effort into it, He definitely sounds like he couldn't care less. I'd also love to see original dialogie restored especailly Vader's shuttle comment.

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noooooooooooooooo ben danger

no force ghosts of qui gon and mace
they are nothing to luke - why would he see them

also given the upoming tv series is featuring boba fett (possibly quite heavily)
i wonder if his lines will be redubbed again in the official re-re-re-re-release of ESB
therefore i say go with the best performance - the original
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The scene where Vader walks to his shuttle works great with no dialogue at all.

If you keep the wide shot from the SE, there's no reason for Vader to say anything. He's in a foul mood, and striding purposefully to his ride. I just tried it with the dialogue pulled out and it plays fine.
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I actually like the new Wampa footage, but the biggest problem is that it shows just how badly compromised they were with trying to make the original Wampa suit look believable in the original production. the Wampa's were originally meant to play a much larger part in the Hoth scenes, but you only have to look at the footage in Jambe Davdar's Building Empire to see how much they struggled trying to make the Wampa suit work on film. I don't know why George didn't replace all of the Wampa shots with the new suit when he first made the special editions, as the new Wampa looks nothing like the original (didn't they have any reference photos of the original prop?)

Especially the initial attack on Luke on his Tauntaun, the Wampa's face just looks like a big static Muppet of the abomnible(?) snowman from one of those cheesy 'Frosty the Snowman' Christmas stop motion animation specials , being thrust at the camera, and the colour and lighting don't even come close to matching the footage of Luke that was shot on location, let alone the sense of scale, and then the big static arm on a stick swats him from his Tauntaun and breaks the creatures neck without any sign of articulation.

then theres that horrible shot inside the cave as the Monster is running towards luke which just screams 'Im an average sized guy in a shoddy looking suit running towards camera with my hands obscuring my face so you can't see how shoddy the suit is.'

as for the 'Wampa was scarier when we couldn't see him' argument, as valid as it may be, the truth is we've known for nearly 30 years what the creature looks like, he only has a brief shining moment in the whole saga. Rather than cutting the new footage of a far more convincing looking Beastie why not try and make the original footage look as badass and scary as the film-makers intended and attempted to in the original production?

It may sound ambitious , and i'm not sure how talented Ady's 3d animators are when it comes to character animation, but judging by what they were able to pull off with the new space-battles and ships, it shouldn't be too hard for them to breathe a little more life into the few quick frames in which the creature is shown. I wouldn't normally bring something like this up, but the original Wampa shots have stood out as some of the dodgiest looking effects in the series since I originally saw Empire as a 10 year old in 1980.
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a few more suggestions

After seeing what you were able to achieve in ANH with the new death-star reveal got me thinking how cool it be to perhaps see a brief shot of giant Drop-ships carrying AT-AT's and ground forces deployed from the Star Destroyers and head toward the planet.
I have no idea what such ships would look like, but theres probably some sort of visual reference floating around in the EU, besides it'd give your CG crew a chance to be creative and add a new ship design to the series.

Luke's escape from Hoth always seemed a little too easy to me , how did he manage to avoid running into the Imperial blockade that all the transports had to escape through? or did he wait until the battle was over and the Imperials had packed up and left?
Maybe you could insert some Star Destroyers in the far off background of the shot where Lukes x-wing leaves the planet, so that it looks like he left planet on a different vector to avoid the Imperials. There's also a rebel transport that is taking off at the same time as Luke, so shouldn't it have been his duty to escort the transport past the Imperial ships to safety? especially if he knew an alternate route? maybe the transport and the remaining X-wings could be added into the shot so that it looks like they all got off the planet together and safely?

someone else mentioned that it might be a good idea to see a few more shots of rebel transports getting past the Imperial star destroyers?, perhaps we could see a rebel transport that wasn't lucky enough to get past them getting blown to oblivian, it would heighten the tension especially if it was slotted in and implied that it was the transport that Leia would've been on if she didn't get out on the Falcon, although that probably negates the suggestion I made in the last paragraph.

whatever you can do to make the 'Our first catch of the day' seem less ham-fisted, the line itself is fine, it's just the badly overdubbed delivery that kills it, know any decent voice actors that could make it sound more convincing?

echo someones previous suggestion to add glowing embers to the Wampa's severed arm and the shot of Han cutting open the taun- taun, at the moment it's only really the saddle straps that flame a little when Han cuts the taun-tauns belly open.

some people have also mentioned removing Luke's 'willhelm scream' as he lets himself fall to his doom after the Vader/father revelation, but that was an audio change that only appeared on the 97 Special Edition and was fixed/removed from the 2004 DVD's.
but as Luke is sucked into the exhaust pipe he enters with his head facing up and feet facing down, in the next shot it looks like they have flipped the image upside down and Luke is sliding along the top the tube with his head facing downwards, I'm guessing they flipped the shot so that they could reuse it agan in the same sequence to extend his slide through the exhaust tubes, but it's a jarring transition seeing him suddenly upside down.
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"I have no idea if this is even possible, but over on the Starkiller thread about a year ago we talked about during the beginning of ESB, show the DSII being built. I think we put it by Mustafar"

^^ Very interesting idea. It would have to be skeletal though (like in ep. 3)

However I wonder if that would take away the element of surprise when we see the new one in RoTJ?
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
I have no idea if this is even possible, but over on the Starkiller thread about a year ago we talked about during the beginning of ESB, show the DSII being built. I think we put it by Mustafar.
Anyways.


Yeah! I remember that. During that first scene that reveals the Imperial Fleet, we were going to have a skeletal Death Star II hovering over Mustafar, if I remember right. And the fleet was guarding it, until the call came in from the probe droid that a rebel base was found.

Personally though, I like the idea of plain old Endor rather than Mustafar.

--ID

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Maybe I am wrong, but wasn't there also some discussion about having there be three or more death stars in ROTJ?
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There were A LOT of ideas proposed on that thread. Some good. Some not so good.

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It's far too obvious in the new footage that it's just an outtake of Vader arriving on the Death Star II. The hangar is the DS2 hangar, and what is Moff Jejerrod doing there (mouthing his ROTJ lines but with no sound coming out). That either needs to be removed, or some clever digital manipulation (insert Piett in there? Change the background?).



^^ I think the amount of work it would take to insert Piett and actually make the hangar look different isn't worth it. This is probably an area where Ady could just change it back to how it was originally.
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if he does delete it, i hope he includes that scene in ROTJ
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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
I'd also love to see original dialogie restored especailly Vader's shuttle comment.


Agreed. "BRING MY SHUTTLE" is the best Vader line in the entire trilogy.

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"When George went back and put new creatures into the original Star Wars, I find that disturbing. It’s a revision of history. That bothers me."

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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Maybe I am wrong, but wasn't there also some discussion about having there be three or more death stars in ROTJ?


Yes, there's an early draft screenplay in which there are three death stars (starwarz.com's Jedi Bendu script archive has it). Very different take on the story than the 1983 version (check the ending too!).
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A few suggestions that I hadn't seen made yet for ESB:R

1. In the overhead zoom-in shot of Luke on the tauntaun, the tauntaun leaves no tracks in the snow. Perhpas digitally insert some?
2. In the shots featuring macrobinoculars (@ 3:25, 26:00, and 33:25), perhaps change them as you did Luke's in ANH to include Aurebesh.
3. Erase the matt lines around Falcon @ 40:05
4. There are two Bespin background inconsistencies. One was mentioned already (@ 1:22:15, when our heroes walk down the hallway, and the opening at the end of the hall in the former shot becomes a window in subsequent shots). The other occurs at 1:28:00 (the window behind Solo and company goes from transparent (we see an elevator rise behind it) to opaque in subsequent shots.
5. Obi-Wan's opacity is inconsistent on Dagobah... towards the end he is very transparent whereas he's almost totally opaque earlier. Any chance he could be made more transparent throughout?

Other things mentioned I agree with:
* Omit new wampa footage or, if keeping it, replace original wampa head to match SE version (e.g., eyes are darker in SE version)
* Like the red interior lighting idea for the AT-ATs
* Re-insert orignal line "You're lucky you don't taste very good."
* Re-insert original line "Bring my shuttle."
* Alter colour of Luke's artificial arm to match the colour of his hand in the sickbay at the end

Other things to think about:
* I'm a huge fan of the OT, and love the original Fett voice, BUT... if the goal is to match up the OT:SE with the PT, then perhaps Temuera Morrison's voice should stay? Otherwise wouldn't that create an inconsistency (he is a clone afterall, not just Jango's son... it should be identical, no?)
* Ady, what are your plans for the dialogue between Vader and the Emperor? I've gone to lengths in the past to explain how the SE conversation is fine and presents no inconsistencies, but I also understand that it can be a bit confusing and unecessary. Just wanted to know what you thought about this scene
* Have you thought about doing anything with the space slug? Perhaps make some teeth faintly visible as the Falcon flies into the cave? Do something to the wide shot of it when the Falcon escapes to somehow make it seem less like a sock puppet?
* Although Solo's arm bindings in the carbon freezing chamber are said to be made of carbonite (hence explaining their disappearance in ROTJ), might you make them a bit bulkier and more rock-like? As is, they really do look to be just oversized metal handcuffs linked with a metal chain/rod.

I'm elated to hear you're already thinking about ESB:R... and I'm looking very forward to you sorting out your current PC problems and creating the SW:R DVDs soon. Good luck man!

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ESB Revisited thread huh? This am cozy!

OK, so I've had this video clip for a while-...this idea for a while.
I'm talking PT mixed in with OT here...so I know some of you won't like it at all.
I'm cool with it either way...I just thought it would be fun to throw in the movie....maybe.
Please hate it and bash it!

LukeTraining

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ROTJ-Fan-O-Matic-3-new-clips/topic/7919/

http://www.youtube.com/user/SSWR1

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Originally posted by: professa adyfan
noooooooooooooooo ben danger

no force ghosts of qui gon and mace
they are nothing to luke - why would he see them



yeah you've got a point there adyfan. i just like the idea of there being a presence of their spirits to emphasise the triumph of the jedi. maybe they could appear in ghost form around the ewok camp after luke sees the first three ghosts, or just some reference. (im quite obsessive about the links)

either way i guess im digressing on the wrong thread!

- a new idea though:

i think it is in the "building an empire" documentary it mentions one of the emperor's aides prepping vader before he talks to the emperor (the emperor being in a bad mood) - obviously it is a bit unnecessary to literally do this, but could the aides appear behind the emperor (also as holograms) during his talk with vader? (maybe even mas ademma? flanking the emperor like they do in the senate)

would it be interesting to move this conversation to nearer the beginning of the film? it may help to explain exactly why vader is pursuing luke in the first place, and then why he so desperately wants to capture han and leia?





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Originally posted by: corellian77

* I'm a huge fan of the OT, and love the original Fett voice, BUT... if the goal is to match up the OT:SE with the PT, then perhaps Temuera Morrison's voice should stay? Otherwise wouldn't that create an inconsistency (he is a clone afterall, not just Jango's son... it should be identical, no?)


No it shouldn't be the same, voices are not genetic! If you took a set of identical twins and seperated them as tenagers and they grew up in totally different environments for 20+ years they would no longer sound the same (if they even did in the first place). You don't even need to explain this with a voice scrambler or something, there is just no reason for their voices to be the same.

Using Temuera Morrison's voice was just a cheap attempt to link the two trilogies, maybe if his delivery of the lines wasn't so bad then it would be OK, but it is a change that only damages this great film.

Sorry for the rant but this kind of stuff really bugs me. The theatrical version of ESB is great and I think some people here are just looking for things to change just to make it different, that's what Lucasfilm did and we ended up with a worse version of the trilogy.
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"would it be interesting to move this conversation to nearer the beginning of the film? it may help to explain exactly why vader is pursuing luke in the first place, and then why he so desperately wants to capture han and leia?"

That actually makes alot of sense, ben_danger. I have a feeling though that the idea will be shot down....

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ROTJ-Fan-O-Matic-3-new-clips/topic/7919/

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also, just to get it out of my system, if/when you get round to doing ROTJ, would there be any way of putting Mas Amedda (that blue guy from the prequels) just skulking around with the emperors advisers. it would make a nice link with the old/new. theres a robot chicken sketch with him, an advisor and palpatine in the chancellors office and it looks so right seeing them all together!


I love that sketch, it's really funny! The only thing that bugged me was that they were hanging out in the chancellor's office. Like Palpatine wouldn't have taken the 20 years to build a really impressive throne room instead, one that would make the one on the second death star look tiny. But since its a spoof, I guess it doesn't matter.

I like the idea of adding Mas Amedda too, if done right. But no advisors in the hologram, its a private chat and would look wierd.

I also don't think the Jedi ghosts should be added. I understand tieing it to the PT but I think you also has to consider those that chose to watch it in production order. And then they would be very confused. Anyway, this is a bit off-topic since this is the ESB thread so maybe we should postpone that part of the discussion?

You mention Vader being prepped by an advisor before his chat with the Emperor. That was Sate Pestage and it was a deleted scene from the movie. I would really like to se that but even if they filmed it, adywan would probably not have access to it. Its sealed away at Skywalker ranch or something like that.

Anyway, this is the scene I think you're talking about:

286 INT VADER'S STAR DESTROYER - VADER'S CHAMBER 286

Darth Vader stands before a shimmering holographic
image which slowly comes into focus. The image is
that of SATE PESTAGE, Grand Vizier to His Eminence,
Emperor.

VADER
Sate Pestage, I would see the
Emperor. He commands it.

PESTAGE
I must warn you, Lord Vader,
The Emperor is in a foul mood.
He bids you wait. Have you any
progress to report?

VADER
The rebel base on Hoth has been
destroyed. I am tracking down
the survivors.

PESTAGE
The Emperor will be with you in
time.

VADER
I wait at his convenience.


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Originally posted by: SomethingStarWarsRelated
"would it be interesting to move this conversation to nearer the beginning of the film? it may help to explain exactly why vader is pursuing luke in the first place, and then why he so desperately wants to capture han and leia?"

That actually makes alot of sense, ben_danger. I have a feeling though that the idea will be shot down....



yeah, i was waiting for some fan to choke me for disloyalty.:S im intrigued by the picture you have on all your posts.

it would be good if coruscant could be somehow worked into the OT a bit more. i was going to suggest that the blue planet used in the ANH hope was replaced with coruscant, but it wouldnt have been as visually dramatic. any ideas anyone? or am i getting carried away here?

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Originally posted by: Chrille
You mention Vader being prepped by an advisor before his chat with the Emperor. That was Sate Pestage and it was a deleted scene from the movie. I would really like to se that but even if they filmed it, adywan would probably not have access to it. Its sealed away at Skywalker ranch or something like that.


almost like the vaults under the vatican with all the alleged extra scripture. i wonder if adywan has a torch, ninja rope and a catsuit?

i think someone should start a ROTJ thread, there are alot of idaes floating around, and it would be a shame if they were forgotten. has adywan replied to any of these yet? i bet he regrets encouraging us now!

- that scene sounds awesome! is anyone here an actor??

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buddy-x-wing
i love the idea of showing the drop ships deploying the AT-AT's
as a kid i never really understood why they were able to get through the planetary shield
maybe a shot of the drop ships could establish a bombardment of the shields going on at the same time
so we can see the ships can penetrate what the laser blasts cannot (if i'm understanding what happened correctly)
i'm thinking along the lines of the battle droids walking through the gungan shield but less visible

why can't the rebel ships fly through DSII's shield in ROTJ
what kind of shields are used in both these situations
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Vader gives the answer:

"prepare to land our troops beyond their energy shield, and deploy the fleet so that nothing gets off the system."

The shield didn't cover the entire planet, so the imperials landed and deployed the at-ats beyond its reach.
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ESB: Include dream view when Luke has visions of Han and Leia in Cloud City. If possible use the same effect that used in ROTS with Anakin's dreams. herehttp://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/teharri/pdvd0311jf.png

I had this idea posted in another thread. Wonder what you guys would think of this.
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