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I'm disagreeing with some people here, but I'd like to see Yoda (as well as the other aliens) given the Cantina treatment — I have faith in Adywan's ability to make it work.

I also agree. Ady made it so subtle in ANH Revisited, that it could work out great in ESB too.

0:36:23 - Stabilise R2's text on Luke's readout. (When flying from Hoth)


Yep, this one bothered me too and it is easily fixable.
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When Han says to Chewie, "No, no. This one goes here, and that one goes there. Right?" There seems to be a frame missing from the shot. It's so subtle, but you can see the rebel troops jump a foot ahead as they're running.


It's either that or my disc is scratched.

 

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I agree with you ady, that only darkening the hologram wouldn't be enough since he is simply too different from his ROTJ version.

But zombie84 has a good point: the hologram is too brightly lit and shows too much. It takes away the air of mystery and makes it less scary.

Perhaps what the Emperor needs is to have the hologram considerably darkened AND the remaining facial features made to look more like return of the jedi?


When it comes to oscuring him, something like this is what I had in mind:

http://www.skywlkr.net/idc/expansions/downloads/wotc/card%20images/emperor%20palpatine%20d.jpg

What do you think?
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Originally posted by: adywan

Simply darkening the Emperor doesn't work, i'm afraid. the problem lies with the difference in the makeup & his face shape now that Ian is older. I feel that mixing ROTJ facial features with the 2004 DVD version is the only way to go.


What is your opinion of the hood, Ady? For me, the hood is the worst part. In both TPM and ROTJ, the hood is laying flat over his head, framing his face in a certain way. In this shot, however (probably because they were trying to copy the original chimp thing) the hood is all folded over and it's a mess. I think this issue contributes the most to the Emperor looking a little "off".

That being said, I really love what you've done with the face and the rest of the darkening. I think the facial elements are 100% seamless.

Just as an interesting side note: While working on preliminary stuff for Reborn we were so frustrated trying to fix it that we had finally gotten to the point where we actually filmed someone in costume in front of a bluescreen and then used Ian's facial performace and the hood itself was what we had filmed, and composited all of that over a clean background plate. We haven't yet completed it because we became fully focused on ANH, but plan to pull all that stuff out again once we're ready to work on ESB.

But seeing the miracles you've pulled off with Revisited, you might crack it before we do.

Also, I don't think enough advantage was taken of the scan lines and crackliness of a holographic message. Especially since the Executor is at the edge of an asteroid field. The picture should be slightly interrupted by interference a couple times, like Palps talking to Amidala's court on Naboo.


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Here's my two cents on the emperor. Yes, you should keep McDiarmid; yes, he could use some seroius editing. I have below you, a shot taken from the Darth Editous episode V thread.
http://www.mudgee.net/ot/empo.png
On the left, we have the Darth Editous try; on the right, Laserman's. I think that the edits sould be something along these lines. Does anyone else agree?

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Laserman's looks pretty sweet.

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They both look impressive. Personally, I feel the Darth Editous one has the slight edge, because the lack of brightness feels more appropriate IMO.
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Originally posted by: Chrille
They both look impressive. Personally, I feel the Darth Editous one has the slight edge, because the lack of brightness feels more appropriate IMO.


Except the holograms in SW always have an overexposed, super-contrasty look, the way the Laserman one does.

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A couple of FX changes that I thought of that I haven’t seen mentioned yet:

1) When Luke severs the arm of the Wampa and the beast roars in pain it would be nice if the blackened hole in his shoulder smoldered a little, with those little crispy embers like on the prequels. Always liked those… (Also when Han cuts open the tamtam, when Vader cuts the set up at the end, and other lightsaber damage)

2) After Luke gets his hand cut off and falls down the chute and hangs upside down over the bottomless pit it is obvious he’s holding his hand in his sleeve. Maybe Adywan could edit this to make it a little more believable…

3) Makes the X wing drip water after it is transferred to an FX shot like the prop lifted out of the swamp.

4) Correct the see-through cockpits during the battle of Hoth (probably one of the first things Adywan did). The same with the asteroids.

5) Do something—anything!—with those terrible looking “minocks” inside the worms stomach. Those things look horrible.
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The "all new" Vader's arrival on the Executor needs some major tweaking if it's going to be kept.

It's far too obvious in the new footage that it's just an outtake of Vader arriving on the Death Star II. The hangar is the DS2 hangar, and what is Moff Jejerrod doing there (mouthing his ROTJ lines but with no sound coming out). That either needs to be removed, or some clever digital manipulation (insert Piett in there? Change the background?).

Fett's old voice needs to be kept! I don't see why voice filters are such a crazy idea... Leia had it with Bousshe, Anakin has it with his Vader suit. It's scarier, and we're left to imagine why his voice sound like that... what kind of a badass bounty hunter was he? Etc. The new voice sounds phoned in and unsure. Temura Morrison sounds like he's playing a Clone trooper, not Boba Fett. This is a cutthroat money grubbing head-hunter, not some brainwashed cannon fodder soldier.


This might be a stretch, but to me the new and old wampa footage doesn't quite match. If something could be done to make them match more closely, that'd be great.

And Luke's saber off sound as he's leaving the cave either needs to be removed, or the saber needs to actually shut off to match the sound effect.

I wanna hear "you're lucky you don't taste very good" again too!

And no more pink/orange sabers for Vader!


Best of luck Adywan, it's going to be another fun 20 months waiting for this one, once you've finished ANH:R!
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heya! (first post on a forum ever, so if i do it wrong sorry!)

first off i just want to say a HUGE thankyou for your work on ANY, i must have watched that cantina scene 5 times. i always felt the original cut, and even the SE was a bit dated in comparison to all the others, but youve rally made it more in sink with the rest.

my suggestion for your empire edition, is to put the music form ROTJ that is played when luke almost dispatches vader ("Final Duel" on the soundtrack) into the scene where luke and vader fight on the gantry (starting when vader jumps out at him in the corridor and ending when luke loses his hand)

i know you may feel the music is more thematic of the emperor, and may seem out of place, but it really seems to add a stronger "father vs son" emphasis to the battle, and ties the fight to ROTJ well. try it anyway.

i also second the idea of you doing the same to yoda that you did the cantina folk with the expressions.

and if you could make the rebel fleet at the end alot bigger, you would have more rebels to kill off in ROTJ.

also, just to get it out of my system, if/when you get round to doing ROTJ, would there be any way of putting Mas Amedda (that blue guy from the prequels) just skulking around with the emperors advisers. it would make a nice link with the old/new. theres a robot chicken sketch with him, an advisor and palpatine in the chancellors office and it looks so right seeing them all together!

another idea for ROTJ would be the force ghosts of qui-gon, mace windu etc at the end. (not strictly canon but would be another nice link)

also, how much are you working with the guys on "star wars reborn" if you are at all?

thanks again for granting me a revived love for star wars, i am yet to show all my friends.

good luck!

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I say cut the sequence of Vader arriving at the Executor altogether. But if not, at least remove Jerjerrod from the scene (but don't replace him with Piett- he is busy at the bridge where Vader walks up to him later on).

The only part of this new sequence that I think should be kept is the brief shot of Vader's shuttle flying towards the Executor. That's only one that (IMO) doesn't disrupt the pacing of the Falcon's escape from Cloud City.


Edit: ady, I agree with you that the music is near perfect in this movie, but I wanted to run anothr suggestion by you (and the other users here). In 1980, the Emperor's theme had yet to be writen. I think it would be great if a subtle, slow and sinister Emperor's theme (sort of like the one playing when they walk through the hangar bay in ROTJ) could be added to the Vader-Emperor conversation. I think that would make it more unsettling and tie it ROTJ.

What do you guys think?
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yeah, Chrille's got a point, emperor music in the emperor - vader conversation. considering you did it in ANH in the briefing room it would make sense.

would it be possible to see more of the rebel fleet escaping from hoth? we see a transport get by a star destroyer, but we have no hint of transporter-loads of rebels getting captured or blown up as they attempt to flee the planet. it would work well in parallel with the hoth battle below, just to add that "rebel's getting ass kicked" tension.

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My single objection to the ADM edition of Empire was his deletion of Luke & Leia's kiss. It was part of the story, it was part of the tension, and I can remember at that moment (I was almost twelve when it was in theatres) wanting to BE Luke for that moment in particular. I also remember shuddering three years later when I learned from a friend --- before I was able to see Jedi in the theatre --- that they were now apparently siblings. Now, of course, twenty-odd years later, I understand that there was the need to bring resolution to the story, and from "The Secret History of Star Wars" I've learned that there were contractual realities that for the story's closure. The entire Expanded Universe aside, though, it still doesn't feel right. It was too neat a wrap-up.

Which is to say, I plead for the keeping of the kiss.

And I'd also plead for the keeping of most of the SE material. It feels like Empire is the least-harmed of the trilogy by the special editions. ANH, for all the wonder of the final battle, also had the appearance of Jabba and Greedo's shooting first. Jedi, even for the beauty of the closing celebrations around the galaxy, gave us the chance to almost examine the tonsils of several singers in the new music video. Empire, though, demonstrated restraint: the wampa footage worked, and worked well (obviously IMHO), and the windows on Cloud City added to its sense of scale --- which before had only been notable from the approach, where the floating city was obviously enormous, but once inside it felt like a cramped and sterile labyrinth.

(Of course, don't get me started about the Emperor on the official DVD. All of Empire's emerging relatively unscathed came crashing down in that moment. Much as I like Ian McDiarmid in the role, and definitely hope that he's kept, the changes in dialogue felt like a slap in the face.)

These being my thoughts. Looking forward to the DVD editions of ANH, Adywan, and already starting to dream about seeing Empire....

As that 1997 trailer put it, you've given us the chance "to see them again...for the FIRST TIME." I'm grateful.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot! Please _scrap_ the new scenes with Vader's shuttle and Jerjerrod!

"Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels."

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Me again... Just a few more suggestions. Although IMHO Luke's fall is better without the scream, you could edit the scream to make it sound more like Luke's. After all... nobody would just drop a few hundred feet without screaming or yelping! At the battle of Hoth, maybe you could add an extra Ion Cannon or footage of the ion cannon being destroyed (Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron). I also think that the X-Wing crashing in Dagobah should be improvised (it just crashes in the water... doesn't do it for me). Good luck!
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I don't understnd all the fuss with yodas color, he looks great as is. Ady did a wonderful job on the color, but just in case anybody is curious, I did a color correction job on the yoda section of the trailer just to see what the difference would be like. I was able to find pure neutral points in the frame, and I also reset the black levels to match. Over all, I like adys color better. I made a Divx re-encode of the whole trailer if your curious to see what the true color cast on yoda looks like. The file is 7 mb in size and looks just as good as Ady's Xvid. I would also like to note that the yoda part was accidently cropped at a different rez when I exported the section to color correct so it's going to have some letter boxing on the sides....my appologies. Here is the Link

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Hey Ady...cool to see that EsB is already in pre-production. I'm sure you'll do another fantastic job.

Here's some of the things I can think of at the moment...Damn, it is cool to be able to make suggestions this time out!

- Yoda is the first thing that I can think of where some tweaks are needed. Perhaps check out RoTS Yoda to see if you could do some subtle (cantina style) CG tweaks to his eyes, ears and face.

- In many of the scenes where Yoda is on Luke's back it's clear he is a puppet bobbing around lifelessly. I'm not sure if there's much you can do about that though? There is also a scene where he is walking back to his home which looks like it may be a midget in costume? Again I'm not sure if this can be helped.

- There are some common things that have already been mentioned such as Luke's saber sound in the cave, the saber colors, the somewhat rough looking taun-tauns.

- I can recall a few matte lines around the asteroids as well.

- I think the controversial decision is going to be whether or not to cut "the kiss". Judging by your restraint on AnH I'm guessing you'll leave it in. I'd vote for it to be cut out though. I look at SW as a Saga. If SW were a true Saga made in order it's just not something that would have been done.
That's all I can think of for now........

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Come off it. All of you. This is the first time I've heard of cutting "the kiss" considered as any sort of option at all. Please, Adywan, don't do it. That sort of thing was done in classic tales all the time, and frankly cutting it would be on a par with Greedo shooting first as far as I'm concerned.

Pretty please?

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Originally posted by: AuggieBenDoggie
I don't understnd all the fuss with yodas color, he looks great as is. Ady did a wonderful job on the color, but just in case anybody is curious, I did a color correction job on the yoda section of the trailer just to see what the difference would be like. I was able to find pure neutral points in the frame, and I also reset the black levels to match. Over all, I like adys color better. I made a Divx re-encode of the whole trailer if your curious to see what the true color cast on yoda looks like. The file is 7 mb in size and looks just as good as Ady's Xvid. I would also like to note that the yoda part was accidently cropped at a different rez when I exported the section to color correct so it's going to have some letter boxing on the sides....my appologies. Here is the Link


See, that looks fine. He's green--because Yoda IS green--but its still a pale color like it should be. Yoda shouldn't be vibrant neon green. The prequels made him like that, but thats because the prequels are cartoons and Yoda looks like a cartoon in the prequels. Why not make Yoda blue? You might as well because IMO its just as far deviant as the bright prequel-green Yoda is like on the 2004 DVD.

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"This is the first time I've heard of cutting "the kiss" considered as any sort of option at all. Please, Adywan, don't do it. That sort of thing was done in classic tales all the time, and frankly cutting it would be on a par with Greedo shooting first as far as I'm concerned."

^^ As I said, I'm guessing Ady will leave it in so I doubt that you have to worry. I disagree about such a cut being on the same level of Greedo shooting first. Greedo shooting first was flat out awful...it was a product of GL over-thinking a perfect scene years later and altering it badly - TWICE. It also tamed and dumbed down Han's character.



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Originally quoted by: zombie84
See, that looks fine. He's green--because Yoda IS green--but its still a pale color like it should be. Yoda shouldn't be vibrant neon green. The prequels made him like that, but thats because the prequels are cartoons and Yoda looks like a cartoon in the prequels. Why not make Yoda blue? You might as well because IMO its just as far deviant as the bright prequel-green Yoda is like on the 2004 DVD.


To be honest, I could live with either version. The neon green never really bothered me. I'm not too much of a purist in reguards to the classic trilogy, so I can live with some of the changes. It would be up to ady if he wanted to go with the true yoda color.

BTW, thanks for checking out the clip!

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DF Shadow — it was only a personal comment. I think they're comparable, in nature if not in severity — it's a case of sanitising the good guys' characters. Accidental incest (never mind a harmless minor snog) happens in mythology all the time, it happens in "The Silmarillion", it's not uncommon, and "Star Wars" is first and foremost a mythology. I know it creeps some people out but it's totally believable. I can understand some people wanting to cut it but however it goes it will be a contentious issue, so I think Adywan should leave it as-is and then if individual viewers don't like it, most of us have the technology to remove it. Whereas if he cuts it, even if we drop it in it will stick out like a sore thumb, because of the picture quality difference.

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Hey, since adywan is using some type of upconverted HD source to make ESB, will the final DVD be played in a standard DVD player, or some type of Blue Ray player? Good suggestions so far, and I think Yoda looks great in the trailer........if Adywan's goal is to make the PT and OT match up better. Peace!
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Originally posted by: gavin77
Hey, since adywan is using some type of upconverted HD source to make ESB, will the final DVD be played in a standard DVD player, or some type of Blue Ray player? Good suggestions so far, and I think Yoda looks great in the trailer........if Adywan's goal is to make the PT and OT match up better. Peace!


Then he has a lot of work color correcting Episodes I-III to make Yoda look like he does in ESB.

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