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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut)

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So I’m a pretty amateur editor, so don’t expect too much. But…

There’s been so many fanedits of Revenge of the Sith, and I’ve appreciated and enjoyed a great deal of them, but I’ve never been able to find one that I’ve truly felt was my ideal RotS. And for one reason: The Clone Wars animated series.

The Clone Wars, once you get past its initial suck, really does wonders for the prequel era. Sure, it may not adhere to the OT 100%, just by proxy of following the prequels, but it does make up for those OT Ben Kenobi lines of “He was a great pilot, and a good friend…”- It gives us an Anakin Skywalker that is all of those things and is truly one of the most compelling Star Wars characters ever.

Matt Lanter/TCW depict Anakin very differently than Hayden Christensen and Lucas did; he’s a charming, swashbuckling, but mature jedi/general/teacher/pilot/friend - with a dark side that manifests itself in ways more interesting than bratty whining and naive creepiness. Knowing that THIS guy falls to the dark side is tragic, and seeing him inch further and further away from the Jedi Order as the show progresses is incredibly compelling.

Watching all of that build in TCW and then going into RotS almost makes RotS work - but Anakin is a completely different character. Theoretically, TCW should be able to complement the movie nicely for those who put the time in - but there’s too much suspension of disbelief at play to connect Christensen to Lanter.

Every edit I’ve seen hasn’t been able to do this (mostly b/c idk if they’ve really tried to) without me thinking to myself, “Well you could’ve done this or left in or out that.” So for this edit, I’m going to try and make an edit that reasonably connects RotS and TCW, specifically in the case of Anakin. The structure is essentially like HAL’s in terms of how Anakin’s motivations are presented, and which extraneous scenes and expositions were removed, but Anakin is depicted differently, and just to keep it canon, Padme still dies.

For starters: TCW!Anakin is 10x the man Christensen was. Christensen still seems too unconfident and naive, and less competent - Obi Wan consistently scolds and lectures him throughout the movie as if he was fresh off of being a padawan! Anakin had his own padawan and is the inspiring, capable leader to the 501st! Even if you hadn’t seen TCW, he has a reputation as Grevious mentioned. So obviously, I’m cutting out every time Anakin does something stupid or naive or just young-ish. A lot of this is in the opening:

  • he doesn’t feel the need to sidetrack to save Oddball or whoever that was, he knows how war works
  • Obi Wan trusts him way more in saving his life and doesn’t act fed up by his “antics”
  • he doesn’t need to be reminded of the shields being up
  • Not just in the opening, but every single reference in the film - bar for one from Yoda in the last act - of Obi Wan training Anakin has been removed. So Obi Wan doesn’t reply in surprise when Anakin suggests “Patience”, “All because of your training”, “[I haven’t been very appreciative] of your training”, “I have trained you since you were a small boy”, and “Don’t lecture me, Obi Wan.”, etc. Not that he didn’t train him, but Anakin and Obi Wan’s relationship is supposed to have evolved past mentor/mentee. They’re equals - brothers - and have been for a while now. These mentions are super expositional, anyway.
  • Agency. No Palpatine goading and blatant manipulation.

At the same time, I’m going to maintain a sense of fun and swashbuckling in Anakin, which I know a lot of people have cut from their edits for being dumb. But I do believe there needs to be some levity in depicting Anakin pre-fall and his close brotherly relationship with Obi Wan. It’s more tragic to see the close friendship deteriorate this way.
Even if they’re dumb, I decided to leave in:

  • “This is where the fun begins.”
  • Cheerleader Obi Wan and Anakin
  • The elevator sequence(s) (+I added in the “Roger Roger” Anakin and Obi Wan do together after slicing up the droids)
  • “Shorter than I expected.”
  • Etc.
    They have very limited time together before it gets heavy for them, so I tried to make every “fun” moment between the two count.

Anakin can still be more wise and matured than he was in AoTC with all of that still there. I’ve made him much, much more confident, casual and zen-ish than he was portrayed in the original cut. He reacts to things and acts like Lanter!Anakin would.

  • He doesn’t brag about his powers doubling.
  • He isn’t a creep about stuff with Padme.
  • Less questions being asked in most situations. Portrays confidence, and intelligence. (He catches on to Palpatine quicker without one question; he moves ahead of him suspicious and the next thing he says in the scene is “You’re the Sith Lord!”)
  • He doesn’t say “…It’s unfair!” in response to the Master rejection
  • He doesn’t whine about it to Obi Wan or call it insulting - that scene starts with “Anakin, you have been given a great honor…” Anakin’s clearly still angry, but he doesn’t verbally lash out too much. Much less petulant.

The most important part of this is his turn, though. I’ve been a little wary because I may have made Anakin TOO likeable and clear minded prior to his turn. But the thing is, TCW!Anakin when he was angry, acted just like Darth Vader. He was authoritative, brutal, cold, and menacing. The problem with RotS and a lot of its edits is that: Anakin turns to the dark side but he’s, like, insane. And weird. Evil!Anakin wasn’t like Darth Vader, he was just an evil emo schizophrenic child killer. To remedy this, I’ve tried to make Anakin in his right mind almost entirely throughout.

  • Killing younglings is gone. Gradual turn and all that.

The big one is his dialogue. He starts talking like a full on villain as soon as he rises in the original. Like moustache twirler. I removed dialogue that made it sound like he was having a ton of fun being the bad guy, or anything that made him come off as too eager, or too 100% convinced in what he’s doing.

  • He doesn’t villainously remind Palpatine to kill the jedi “spread across the galaxy”.
  • He doesn’t tell Padme that he isn’t going “betray the Republic” or casually mention lots of Jedi being killed or that hopefully Obi Wan is still cool; b/c he has no illusions. Creepy villainous “Have faith my love…” gone. As well as any other instances of creepy soft Christensen in this scene.
  • “Very good, my lord” is too much I R EVUL NOW, so that’s gone.
  • Padme/Anakin Mustafar convo trimmed to be power hungry enough to freak out Padme, but not at the same level of crazy.
  • “…then you’re my enEMy” gone, “You will tryy…” gone.
  • “I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN…” “FROM MY POINT OF VIEW…” gone.
  • “You underestimate my power!” gone.
    This way, Anakin and Darth Vader are still essentially the same person. He doesn’t have to act like a bipolar weirdo, he just has to act like Anakin, but doing terrible things.

Like I said, though, aside from this focus on Anakin, I ended up doing a lot of what HAL did, because he got the closest to what I wanted. Dooku isn’t mentioned before he shows up, the political motivations introduced first, Obi Wan vs Anakin is more personal, etc. I probably could have just edited his cut to be completely honest, would have saved a lot of time, but there are differences (ones I haven’t already mentioned):

  • “I sense a plot to destroy the jedi” line isn’t in mine.
  • “There’s great conflict in you, Anakin” line isn’t in mine.
  • “There is much fear that clouds your judgement” line isn’t in mine.
  • I left in and moved up the scene of Padme and Anakin discussing his dream right after he has it. Except this time, it’s not right after he has it, it’s after Palps gives him a reason to doubt Padme, so his brooding is about everything that has happened thus far, about the Jedi, the childbirth death, the dark side, etc. Telling Padme about his dream is kind of like him momentarily reaffirming his trust in her, and it acts as a more subtle, sweeter replacement for that scene in the original where’s all paranoid about Obi Wan and acts weird and evil and blatantly tells Padme that he’s found a way to save her. Anything to make his fall sadder.
  • Yoda lands on Dagobah before Leia is on Alderaan. Padme funeral is still there, so this was the next best spot. It felt like it was going way too fast if I had just put it where HAL did; we just saw Yoda talking to Obi Wan.

TLDR; Almost done with a TCW/New Canon fitting Revenge of the Sith.

Here’s a test clip (Original first, mine second):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38rZVFUNXhFZ01VSXc/view?usp=sharing
I added Anakin’s Theme from TPM into this last Obi Wan/Anakin scene before things go bad. Since I tried to reflect their bond as much as possible, adding this nostalgic score to when Anakin was innocent - as a requiem to their relationship - was fitting. And it ends on subtle Darth Vader notes, which works a lot better than the unrelated transition music in the original.

I’ll post more clips later; the elevator scene with the deleted footage was pretty hard to integrate, and I’d be open to suggestions and help with that.

Also a more cohseive chronological cutlist.

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Sounds pretty effective. I am interested to see how this shakes out. Great job putting thought into your plan of attack.

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Thanks Hal! 😃

I’m a huge fan of your edits, and I hope it’s no insult that I still felt like I wanted to make my own edit. Labyrinth of Evil is still my favorite version of RoTS that exists; it just inspired me to try and do it myself, to my personal liking.

I studied yours extensively for this; it really did a lot of what I wanted RoTS to do, especially with Anakin’s motivations. You really tightened the film’s pacing and storytelling, too. In that way, I know mine can never be as good (that, and this is probably only my third edit of a movie ever) because I want to go back a little bit and flesh out or portray differently, specific aspects of the film. The pace you set up is going to be sacrificed in favor of more romance and friendship, and that just doesn’t sound that great on paper, tbh. AND I’m making Padme die again? ik ik…

But I wanted to do it. I know a lot of people on a website called “Original Trilogy” wouldn’t be super invested in what the new canon is or The Clone Wars series, but a lot of me and friends are. Anakin circa 2005 just doesn’t jive with how he’s been portrayed since 2008, and the only way I felt like I could remedy that disconnect was make this edit.

Anyway, I’ve been tinkering with adding in the deleted “roger roger” elevator bit: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38rZ25rNnJ3TnNBVFE/view?usp=sharing
It’s working out better than I thought it would; I thought this would be the first thing to go, but I’ve actually managed to barely link the sequence together. Barely. It’s really, really rough. I don’t know if I can make it seamless. I’d love if could get my hands on the deleted scene in better quality to see if I’ll have more luck. (and maybe I could add an Anakin/Obi Wan chuckle, although that might be too much). I’ve spent way too much time on this already tho LOL.

I know it’s really silly - but since most other instances of the battle droids will use L8wrtr’s audio, hopefully that will somewhat cancel out the overall silliness level.

(Also, how are the lightsabers?)

Other things I’m currently messing with:

  • General Grevious addresses Anakin as “General” Skywalker. I mean, why not? It’ll help strengthen that image of Anakin I’m trying to build. You could honestly watch the original RoTS after AoTC and not pick up on the fact that Anakin isn’t Obi Wan’s padawan anymore. This is just a little thing among other things in this edit that try to hammer in how much Anakin has grown and matured.
  • This is a dumb thing I’m probably not even going through with, but I added a few notes of “Ahsoka Leaves” (pitched down a little bit to fit with the surrounding music) after Master Windu says, “No. If what you’ve told me…” It doesn’t really do much of anything, but kind of(?) evoke the last time the council failed someone by being dense, and I guess it shows Anakin remembers.

Other than these things, I can basically be done (but I still want to work on it); just need to fix a few audio things, and I could probably send anyone its current iteration if they asked.

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I’d be very interested in checking this out.

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This sounds incredibly interesting! As one who really enjoyed the later Clone Wars seasons, this seems like a breath of fresh air in terms of ROTS edits. Most others cut out every single instance of anything “funny”, but I think that showing a little bit of that bond between Obi Wan and Anakin grow before being utterly shattered is really going to help this.

The music in that Obi Wan and Anakin walking and talking scene really helped add that sense of “Yeah, those dudes are bros” rather than the awkward silence of the original cut. All in all I’m really looking forward to this edit!

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I always forget about the blu-ray deleted scenes. The “roger roger” bit is nice.

Hal, if you’re reading this, were the blu-ray deleted scenes ever upscaled like the DVD ones?

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Hello there!
I was reading the ideas of this edit and I really like it, I find it really interesting and it’s new for the FanEdits area, using some The Clone Wars material.

I liked your approach on the good-bye scene, that song fits pretty well there, and the nostalgic idea sounds cool, but, I rememeber watching another edit to this scene including new music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ67STMq-pA
I’m not judging nor disliking your version, but I will rather want to know what do you think about it? It has that TCW vibe, and it was made by Kevin Kiner, so I think this one would fit pretty well with the idea of the edit.

I’m very interested and excited to see this edit!! 😃

I don’t really care if it’s in the shape of a movie, or a cartoon tv-series, or if it’s on videogames and books. Neither if it’s canon or legends; I love all my Star Wars (yes, even the prequels).

“Laugh it up, Fuzz ball.”

Oh wait, no, not all of it, don’t count the Holiday Special on it.

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Don’t sell yourself short. I shared your exact motivation with doing my prequel edits. (This time; not the 2006 edits.)
Use every and anything of mine you like; it’s part of the textual lineage now.

DominicCobb said:

Hal, if you’re reading this, were the blu-ray deleted scenes ever upscaled like the DVD ones?

No; none of them struck me as useful at the time. They were not presented well, at any rate.

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Hal 9000 said:

DominicCobb said:

Hal, if you’re reading this, were the blu-ray deleted scenes ever upscaled like the DVD ones?

No; none of them struck me as useful at the time. They were not presented well, at any rate.

Did you do the upscaling? I thought it might have been someone else (Dr. Dre?).

Most are definitely worthless. But there are a couple fun bits in “Elevator Antics” and I think “Changes to the Constitution” should definitely have been in the film. What do you mean by not presented well? Is the picture quality much worse than the DVD ones? I haven’t watched them in a while.

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I’m very interested in your edit and the fresh take and reasoning behind it.

The Lightsabers look off to me. Too much white, not enough color imho.

Great work so far!

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DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

DominicCobb said:

Hal, if you’re reading this, were the blu-ray deleted scenes ever upscaled like the DVD ones?

No; none of them struck me as useful at the time. They were not presented well, at any rate.

Did you do the upscaling? I thought it might have been someone else (Dr. Dre?).

Most are definitely worthless. But there are a couple fun bits in “Elevator Antics” and I think “Changes to the Constitution” should definitely have been in the film. What do you mean by not presented well? Is the picture quality much worse than the DVD ones? I haven’t watched them in a while.

DrDre did the upscales at my request, and I didn’t pass along any of the BR scenes. They are unfinished and rough compared to (most of) the DVD deleted scenes.

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Alright so here’s a chronological cutlist thing.

Opening

  • So in the opening sequence/basically first act of the film, a lot of trimming was done to Anakin/Obi Wan’s interactions. Anakin, as Obi Wan’s equal and not apprentice, needs to be more competent and experienced than he was originally depicted as. He doesn’t feel the need to save Oddball or whoever that was; he knows how war works. He doesn’t call out the names of Vulture Droids, Buzz Droids, or missiles like he’s surprised to see them. He sees that the shields on the Invisible Hand are still up, and shoots them down on his own.
  • Anakin doesn’t call Obi Wan “master” throughout the cut anymore. They’re replaced with just “Obi Wan” or with another, less formal line entirely. I know he calls him “master” in TCW, but this movie doesn’t have the benefit of Matt Lanter’s voice or explicit displays of Anakin’s maturity. It muddles the image I’m trying to have of Anakin/Obi Wan’s relationship anyway. Obi Wan isn’t his master anymore, and having Anakin be less proper around him sells their friendship more.
  • Obi Wan doesn’t lecture or remind him to do things throughout the opening. He doesn’t tell Anakin to leave him behind or scold him for trying to help him. Obi Wan is much more trusting of Anakin with his life. At most, just anxious with the situation.
  • I’ve kept in a lot of their banter and silly, light lines. Anakin’s “fun begins” and “yeahs” are kept in to characterize him as that raffish, swashbuckler of a jedi. The odd couple and their dog dynamic with R2 is kept in, and I added the “roger, roger” bit from the deleted scenes to keep Anakin and Obi Wan’s friendship fun. Whether or not anything is funny or silly isn’t the point - there is a bond that is shown through these moments of levity, that help make the later tragedy all the more tragic.
  • But the L8WRTR/Hal droids audio is here. So they aren’t going to be very talkative.
  • Dooku isn’t mentioned before he shows up.
  • Super Battle Droids that R2 flamethrows don’t say anything but “Hey, you!” So no weird conversation bullshit or squeaky “my eyes”, and the scene’s pacing and comedic timing is faster, and we get it over with quicker.
  • Anakin and Obi Wan don’t really talk after greeting Palps in the Dooku duel scene. No “this time” or “specialty” or “you won’t get away.” Palps doesn’t do his weird cheering. Anakin doesn’t brag about his powers, and a lot of his whine screams and grunts have been silenced to depict him as more focused when angry rather than unstable. Anakin cuts off Dooku’s head on his own accord, and there is no mention of Palpatine explicitly knowing about the Tuskens. Palpatine and Anakin don’t have a mini-debate about whether or not to bring Obi Wan.
  • Ship going vertical trimmed, and when the ray shields catch them, Obi Wan doesn’t act surprised to hear Anakin suggest patience, he just trusts and follows Anakin’s lead.
  • General Grevious refers to Anakin as “General Skywalker”
  • The entire Invisible Hand bridge sequence is filled with less silly droids squeaking about, getting massacred.
  • On the way down, less random space mumbo jumbo. The firefighters refer to “General Skywalker.”

On Coruscant

  • No mention of what we just watched from Obi Wan, or of Obi Wan training Anakin (grown past that).
  • A friendly “So we doing this, or what?” to replace “Are you coming, master?”
  • “Not for saving your skin for the tenth ti-” “Ninth time.” Banter made friendlier.
  • Bail Organa calls out to “General Skywalker.”
  • Anakin and Padme’s reunion is less exposition-y. They are just relieved and happy to see each other; no mention of the secret nature of their marriage, or Anakin imposing his intimacy on a resistant Padme. It’s been rescored with Anakin’s Dream to remove the sinister undertones, (and because it’s a great piece that wouldn’t have been in the movie, since that scene was cut).
  • From here, I take the Labyrinth of Evil approach of showing Anakin’s political motivations first. So it cuts from there to the briefing Anakin misses. Skipping over the balcony scene, dream, and Anakin telling Padme about it (the latter two will be re-inserted later). In the briefing scene, Anakin walks in with a casual “hey” to Obi Wan (from Jumper). He doesn’t feel the need to tell Obi Wan that he has no excuse. Anakin isn’t treating Obi Wan like some kind of stern teacher, and the pace at which Obi Wan responds is more laid back. Again, both essentially equals. Anakin doesn’t ask “is that bad”, Obi Wan gives him no disapproving looks in response to his opinions, and Anakin just says “that’s unusual” instead of “that’s unusual, isn’t it?” Anakin is more confident and speaking to Obi Wan at his level. Two adults having a political discussion instead of a student asking his teacher why something is bad or if something is unusual.
  • From here, it transitions to Palpatine’s office, but in the establishing shot, Anakin is heard telling Palpatine that the jedi council is no mood for more constitutional amendments (from deleted scenes), referencing the talk he just had with Obi Wan. Despite Anakin not necessarily agreeing with the jedi’s stance, his allegiance is still to the jedi order and his friend Obi Wan, and this shows that he is still lobbying their concerns, because he is or trying his best to be a good jedi. It also makes him less of Palpatine’s bitch, because he is willing to speak up somewhat against Palps’ decisions.
  • Additionally, Anakin doesn’t say that he doesn’t understand what Palps is proposing, and when Palps does appoint him, he doesn’t ask “Me?” or say that he’s overwhelmed. Just “A master? But the council elects its own members, they’ll never accept this.” It shows Anakin is already more than willing to take it up. He thinks and knows that he’s ready, as opposed to the original, where he obviously feels that it’s a lucky, but daunting appointment… yet still feels entitled to it later?
  • Instead of Palps’ blatant manipulation (the vague “They need you. More than you know.”) that makes Anakin look kinda dumb, Palps says “You fought many battles the jedi council thought were lost. And you saved my life.” This further depicts Anakin as one of the best jedi generals, and more believably shows Anakin as deserving of master rank than in the original. Palpatine is also more subtle this way, reinforcing Anakin’s sense of entitlement with actual reasons.
  • “A Plot to Destroy the Jedi” scene put in. I removed the on the nose “plot to destroy the jedi” line though.
  • In the master denial council scene, Obi Wan pre-emptively shakes his head earlier and faster at Anakin, not out of disappointment or disapprovingly, but kind of as a silent way to talk Anakin down before he lashes out further. Something a friend would do when he knows that their friend is about to do something dumb. Anakin does it anyway, but I’ve toned it down to remove the petulance and entitlement. He doesn’t accuse the council of anything “outrageous” or “unfair”, he just angrily asks the valid questions of how and why they’re doing this. He doesn’t act like they owe him, but more like he knows they’re deliberately blocking him for a reason they don’t want to tell him. At this point and in this way, the scene scans as the council doing it moreso because Anakin is close to the chancellor, and not that he is egregiously undeserving. Windu says “Take a seat, Skywalker” instead of “young Skywalker”. (When other characters treat him like an adult, it’s easier to see him as one) When Anakin looks at Obi Wan when he goes to sit down, Obi Wan looks away with guilt; he feels bad for doing this to Anakin. Obi Wan doesn’t directly talk to or agree with Windu in the rest of the scene with a “he’s right”. Windu is going to be a rival/antagonist figure to both Kenobi and Anakin. Obi Wan doesn’t like how Mace doesn’t trust Anakin’s integrity, but still asks Anakin to push unethical boundaries for him. For Anakin, his qualms are with the entire council, of which Windu is the face of.
  • The deleted scene with the senators and Padme is put in, the opening lines being “The chancellor has appointed governors…”
  • The scene where Obi Wan and Anakin are talking about the council session down the temple corridors opens with Obi Wan telling Anakin that he has been given a great honor. Anakin doesn’t whine about the decision or call it insulting. He is already visibly angry and just quietly fumes. As a sidenote, this is a big theme in my edit. Anakin has these “dark side” emotions and moments, but he is never really driven to angry ranting, or being unstable, unhinged, or corrupted by it. That’s why the screams he does in his fight scenes are removed. It’s to facilitate that idea (that is in the original movie explicitly, even!) that his anger and hate gives him focus and makes him stronger. That was Darth Vader. The cold, menacing enforcer of the Empire’s might. Not the vengeful, emotionally unhinged brat. Especially since Kylo Ren is a thing in the new canon, and Vader has an enduring legacy as the sith lord. There should be more differentiation between the two. Anyway, Obi Wan doesn’t try to talk around the truth, he just straight up tells Anakin what the council is asking of him after Anakin’s “And…?” It makes their friendship stronger that Obi Wan is honest with him, and doesn’t try to spinelessly absolve himself of guilt to Anakin.
  • “I don’t think the boy can handle it.” is cut. Facilitates that the council doesn’t see Anakin as a boy anymore.
  • In the scene where Anakin and Padme discuss politics at sunset, there’s Hayden Christensen/Rachel Bilson chuckles and giggling in the establishing shot, implying Anakin and Padme were having a lighter, more endearing conversation before they segued into a tenser political dicsussion. Anything to humanize their relationship. In the actual conversation, Anakin doesn’t accuse Padme of being a Seperatist, and also reigns in his anger a bit.

Grevious on Utapau Onwards to Obi Wan on Utapau

  • So now here’s where Grevious lands on Utapau. Sidious doesn’t tell him to go send the Seps to Mustafar, but he does talk about a new apprentice coming soon. Which transitions into Anakin’s dream. Which he doesn’t tell Padme about just yet. He goes to the opera after this.
  • As Anakin enters the opera, Mas Amedda acknowledges him with a “General Skywalker.”
  • When Anakin says “Finally… we can catch that monster and end this war.” I trimmed the visuals to keep Anakin from looking too devious and sinister. Weird, creepy facial delivery I thought. At least, not what I’m going for with Anakin here.
  • Talk of spying, midichlorians, and creating life removed. Anakin gets no relief from Palpatine about the spying thing.
  • Anakin is faster in reacting to what Palpatine says, and seems more adamant in defending the Jedi this way. He also comes off as less timid. In “W-What happened to him?” I muted the little stutter or “well”.
  • Anakin faster to suggest he should go to Utapau.
  • Anakin ends up saying “I” as an endorsement of Obi Wan going to Utapau. Anakin putting his personal feelings of disappointment aside shows more maturity.
  • I added the Seeds of Rebellion deleted scene after the council meeting saying Master Kenobi should go to Utapau.
  • Anakin and Obi Wan’s goodbye is scored with Anakin’s Theme from The Phantom Menace. It’s a nostalgic callback, and this is the last scene the duo have together before the fall, so it’s fitting to have the scene feel more sentimental. I also cut mentions of Obi Wan training Anakin. These hammer in the “brothers” angle.
  • Padme and her senator friends confronting Palpatine at sunset deleted scene is inserted here. I cut out Palpatine telling Anakin that he is very conflicted. Anakin is an adult who feels his own emotions, thanks.
  • This transitions into the scene cut out earlier of Anakin after his dream. In this new context, Anakin is on the lower balcony brooding not just about the dream, but about everything that’s happened thus far: the jedi, Palpatine, the dark side, and Padme’s loyalty… When he tells her about the dream, it’s a way to reaffirm his trust in her, and the idea that the thought of her clears his conflicted mind makes him and their relationship more sympathetic. It’s a sweeter replacement for the scene in the original (which I cut out) where Anakin is waiting in the apartment all paranoid and schizophrenic about Obi Wan and being sinister about finding a way to save her. It serves the same purpose; it even shows slight deterioration in his opinion of Obi Wan. It’s just more subtle and frames Anakin’s mindset as sympathetic rather than evil.
  • Obi Wan initially on Utapau plays out from Hal’s LoE cut.

The Fall Section

  • Cut the war room scene off after “plot to destroy jedi”, since the rest of that conversation was basically had earlier b/w Obi Wan/Yoda/Mace.
  • When Anakin goes to tell Palpatine about Obi Wan, and Palpatine reveals his true nature, Anakin doesn’t even engage with questions, he immediately goes on guard after “…the dark side.” and pulls out his lightsaber quicker. No questions, he catches on fast. Again, a more intelligent Anakin.
  • Windu tells Anakin to stay with only “I sense a great deal of confusion in you, Skywalker.” By shutting him down quicker, it makes Windu more of an ass. Especially when it’s not because of “he’s young or inexperienced” concerns. A few notes of Ahsoka’s theme are played after Windu says no, as a little un-intrusive bonus for Clone Wars fans. Windu is being dense in the same way he was then, and Anakin remembers.
  • LoE exchange between Windu/Masters and Palpatine before their duel.
  • Palps then attacks much quicker. They’re taken by surprise. There are no weird spins or slow reaction times, or any reaction shots. The entire duel is less weird.
  • Windu is already about to kill Palpatine when Anakin comes in.
  • No explicit mention of Padme or Obi Wan in Vader’s christening. There is no hint of Anakin being grateful throughout it all.
  • Anakin doesn’t explicitly acknowledge just yet that he’s going to have to do terrible things. (So no “I understands”) And he doesn’t enthusiastically remind Palpatine that there are lots of jedi spread across the galaxy that need killing. Shots of his pained, turmoiled face linger to show he’s not proud of what he’s done and where he is. But he’s in it now. And he kinda wants it.
  • No youngling murder seen or mentioned.
  • When Anakin goes back to Padme’s apartment, no baby mention, or explicit mention of anything going on. He dodges the subject of what will happen to Obi Wan with an “idk”; he doesn’t have any illusions about what he’s done and so he isn’t shown to be proud of it. He essentially hides all the bad stuff from Padme, while not saying anything about the Republic. “Have faith my love” and other villain-y things that suggest he kinda likes his new role are removed. Darth Vader is the same man, but on a different side he’s not proud of but believes in.

Rise of the Empire

  • The Mas Amedda call to Organa on the Tantive Whatever about the special session of Congress is now a pre-recorded message because Yoda is RIGHT THERE.
  • No fight to get to temple
  • Cut shot of Anakin crying as he slices and dices the Seperatists. And his jump down from offscreen to confront Gunray.
  • Cheesy shot of Palpatine basking in his applause replaced with long shot of senate.
  • Yoda doesn’t duel Sidious and Obi Wan goes to confront Anakin as a personal thing rather than a duty-bound thing. They don’t talk about Vader and the Emperor like it was 1983. Yoda doesn’t say “young” Skywalker, or mention “the boy you trained” just to continue drawing attention to Obi Wan and Anakin’s old relationship.
  • Youngling death mentions are cut in Obi Wan and Padme’s conversation about Anakin.
  • Removed Obi-Wan sneaking into Padme’s ship so it’s surprising later! The longshot is still there, tho.
  • “Very good, my lord.” – cut after Palps tells Anakin to shut down the trade federation droid army.
  • Terrible dialogue between Anakin and Padme is cut in their Mustafar conversation. Less focus on Obi Wan, and none whatsoever on saving Padme. I cut out mentions of him bringing peace to the Republic as well, bc idk. His allegiance is to the Empire, and he says it later. Also it works with the idea that he isn’t proud enough of what he’s done to tell Padme about it and Padme’s horrified reaction comes from how he doesn’t deny the “terrible things”, and how his aspirations for both of them is just more galaxy- subjecting power and control. And that she can tell something is off quicker says more about their relationship.
  • Removed Hayden’s “LIAR!” Anakin isn’t supposed to be this unhinged by this point in the cut, so I had to remove this. As well as “You will not take her from me!” These are actually some of Hayden’s better acting moments imo, but it really doesn’t fit with what I’m going for in terms of Darth Vader. Too whiny, if you will.
  • “Don’t lecture me, Obi Wan!” removed. It’s kind of a reference to a mentor/mentee relationship, so I’ve gotten rid of it. Also “freedom”, “then you’re my enemy”, and “you will tryy…” removed. The first just isn’t true, and the other two are too villain-taunty.
  • The duel on Mustafar plays out without cutting away. No swashbuckling. “I should have known…!” until “This is the end for you, my master” in terms of dialogue is cut. Mostly because they’re bad.
  • “You underestimate my power!” is also a pathetic villain taunt, I got rid of it.
  • Oh yeah, and high grounds. That’s gone.
  • In Anakin’s immolation, Obi Wan doesn’t mention the prophecy. Keeping it personal, yo.
  • “She seems to have lost the will to live” - cut
  • Luke and Leia births separated by being crosscut with Vader birth.
  • As Vader’s ramps up to the “No”, we crosscut with Padme dying.
  • Hal 9000 Vader scream replaces the “NOOOOOO0ooooooooo….” (Might do Japanese) and then cut to black. We hear Yoda’s voice in the black, and it cuts to onboard the Tantive Whatever.
  • Ends like in the original.

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DigMod said:

I’m very interested in your edit and the fresh take and reasoning behind it.

The Lightsabers look off to me. Too much white, not enough color imho.

Great work so far!

I really didn’t like how the lightsabers looked in ROTS, idk. I may have overcompensated, (I have adjusted since then), but I tried to make the lightsabers look more like they were actually illuminating. If anything else, the blues were too dark in the original, and I used a lighter blue closer to the OT’s blue.

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Hello there!
I was reading the ideas of this edit and I really like it, I find it really interesting and it’s new for the FanEdits area, using some The Clone Wars material.

I liked your approach on the good-bye scene, that song fits pretty well there, and the nostalgic idea sounds cool, but, I rememeber watching another edit to this scene including new music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ67STMq-pA
I’m not judging nor disliking your version, but I will rather want to know what do you think about it? It has that TCW vibe, and it was made by Kevin Kiner, so I think this one would fit pretty well with the idea of the edit.

I’m very interested and excited to see this edit!! 😃

Yeah, I messed around with that a little, but I wasn’t feeling the Kiner score amidst the Williams. You’re right - that clip does have the TCW-feel, but nothing else in the movie has that distinct feel, so it feels out of place. I also don’t think there was a cue from the show that was memorable enough to call back on or reprise that would be relevant to the scene.

Besides, while this is going to be more consistent to TCW, it’s not really a TCW-focused edit. Hopefully it can give non-TCW fans a rough idea of what they missed in terms of Anakin’s characterizations (consistent with the OT description), and can give TCW fans a satisfying take on Anakin’s fall.

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Hal, if you’re reading this, were the blu-ray deleted scenes ever upscaled like the DVD ones?

No; none of them struck me as useful at the time. They were not presented well, at any rate.

Did you do the upscaling? I thought it might have been someone else (Dr. Dre?).

Most are definitely worthless. But there are a couple fun bits in “Elevator Antics” and I think “Changes to the Constitution” should definitely have been in the film. What do you mean by not presented well? Is the picture quality much worse than the DVD ones? I haven’t watched them in a while.

Man, I’d have loved to been able to use “Changes to the Constitution.”

Here’s one of my first tries at the “General Skywalker”…
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38rc2x6Q3lLUUdkemc/view?usp=sharing

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Wow! Hit me up when you have any sort of test version to check out. Sounds wonderful!

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NFBisms said:

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Hal 9000 said:

DominicCobb said:

Hal, if you’re reading this, were the blu-ray deleted scenes ever upscaled like the DVD ones?

No; none of them struck me as useful at the time. They were not presented well, at any rate.

Did you do the upscaling? I thought it might have been someone else (Dr. Dre?).

Most are definitely worthless. But there are a couple fun bits in “Elevator Antics” and I think “Changes to the Constitution” should definitely have been in the film. What do you mean by not presented well? Is the picture quality much worse than the DVD ones? I haven’t watched them in a while.

Man, I’d have loved to been able to use “Changes to the Constitution.”

It’s a solid scene. Totally sets up Palpatine seeding distrust in the council with Anakin in ways almost no other scene does.

Might be worth checking with Dr. Dre to see if an upscale is possible. Unlike most of the blu-ray deleted scenes the effects are finished (at least as much as the other “finished” DVD scenes), and the quality shouldn’t be any lower than that of the other DVD deleted scenes.

Here’s one of my first tries at the “General Skywalker”…
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38rc2x6Q3lLUUdkemc/view?usp=sharing

Audio is seamless. The shot of Anakin is a little awkwardly short, though.

Also, on the “roger, roger” edit you did, is the deleted scene not the same take? If it is, you shouldn’t need to use that kind of transition.

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So far, this is the smoothest I could get it (it’s newer than the other one I posted):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38rUUYwdmFRM1NYRlE/view

I believe they were the same take, but the colors, the quality, and the aspect ratio were completely different - I had to do a lot of finagling with color correction and masking to even make it look like the same thing, and after all of that, I couldn’t quite get the two sources to gel that well after a straight cut. So I decided to blur the motion for a split second by having Anakin and Obi Wan fade into themselves, and that was the smoothest I could get it. Maybe I just suck. xP

Also yeah, that shot of Anakin was too short. Since the General Skywalker idea was a pretty recent one, and I originally had the line as “and Skywalker…”, that shot was just thrown in to fill the gap with the obviously longer line. I’ll definitely fix the timing.

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Wow! Hit me up when you have any sort of test version to check out. Sounds wonderful!

Thanks! I don’t have time to render for another week, though. So just wait, I guess lol

sorry

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That’s definitely better. Except you shouldn’t have to do a motion blur like that. If they are the same take, and you have the framing matched up (which it looks like you do), you should be able to get the shots lined up for the exact same timing so that it doesn’t jump any frames (which it looks like it is), and then from there a simple cross fade should do to blend the sources, quality-wise.

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You’re right. I started over, and I got this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx-b_Drhy38rOHVtUWx0TGpBN0U/view?usp=sharing

A few steps back in terms of color matching, but the motion is the smoothest yet. It shouldn’t be too hard to get the colors back. I kept trying to work with what I initially - and mistakenly - did a few months back when I was more focused on the plot structure and at least 10% less experienced. xP

Now that I’m nearing completion, it’s easier to tweak these things for seamlessness.

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This edit is looking really good. I love the color grading.

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Thanks. I’ll definitely release a few versions with and without the color grading or the lightsaber changes, though. Just for people who aren’t into it. I admit the color grading is unneccessary; I honestly just did it because I could. I’ve always not liked how RotS looked, so when I decided to commit to doing this, I thought “why not?”

Speaking of releases, I am pretty new to distributing things like this, so I would definitely be grateful if someone could help guide me through when I’m done. I’m thinking I’ll just distribute through PM’s honestly. I’m not confident enough to want to widely release it. Still, best or preferred places to upload the actual file itself would be nice to know.

And would anyone be interested in a commentary track?

Getting ahead of myself, though. I’m not even finished yet!

Few newer changes I fiddled with:

  • Windu says “Take a seat, Skywalker.” As opposed to “Take a seat, young Skywalker.” in the first council meeting.
  • I decided the entire elevator sequence being in wasn’t the best idea. It’s still there, but I made the SBD’s talk and bicker less. The only things they say now are “Hey! You!” and “…Stupid little astro droid.” It actually kind of helps the comedic timing when cutting back and forth from Anakin/Obi Wan to R2 flamethrowing the droids.

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NFBisms said:

Thanks. I’ll definitely release a few versions with and without the color grading or the lightsaber changes, though. Just for people who aren’t into it. I admit the color grading is unneccessary; I honestly just did it because I could. I’ve always not liked how RotS looked, so when I decided to commit to doing this, I thought “why not?”

Speaking of releases, I am pretty new to distributing things like this, so I would definitely be grateful if someone could help guide me through when I’m done. I’m thinking I’ll just distribute through PM’s honestly. I’m not confident enough to want to widely release it. Still, best or preferred places to upload the actual file itself would be nice to know.

MySpleen is a pretty popular choice for distributing edits. If you don’t have a MySpleen account I can send you an invite. You can also upload it to Vimeo as password protected. I wouldn’t worry about widely releasing it.

And would anyone be interested in a commentary track?

Absolutely.

Getting ahead of myself, though. I’m not even finished yet!

Few newer changes I fiddled with:

  • Windu says “Take a seat, Skywalker.” As opposed to “Take a seat, young Skywalker.” in the first council meeting.
  • I decided the entire elevator sequence being in wasn’t the best idea. It’s still there, but I made the SBD’s talk and bicker less. The only things they say now are “Hey! You!” and “…Stupid little astro droid.” It actually kind of helps the comedic timing when cutting back and forth from Anakin/Obi Wan to R2 flamethrowing the droids.

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I’ve just read through all this recently NFBisms, and just wanted to say that I like a LOT of your ideas here. While there’s nothing we can do about the casting of Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen in the prequels, there’s certainly ways to make them appear much more bearable in these movies.

My own ideal cutlists have a LOT of their dialogue removed altogether from TPM and AOTC, and I find that helps improve their ‘likeability’ much, much better! 😃

But for Anakin’s ROTS dialogue, I reckon you’ve hit on a good, thoughtful compromise for selling GL’s intended ‘tragic’ fall of Anakin storyline in a better way than he ended up doing.

Look forward to seeing how your version hangs together overall, and I’ve sent you a PM about one of your cutlist intentions.

(by the way, I liked your new music for that Anakin/Obi-wan exchange very much…and on the strength of your various ideas here, I hope you’ll consider doing edits of TPM and AOTC one day too!)

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Alright, so I have a full test cut (w/o color grading and imperfected edits) rendering that should be done by morning, so if anyone wants to check it out when it’s “ready”, just PM me. Don’t hate on me if I send an unsolicited PM to you based on any expressed interest in this thread lol, I’m just a little excited. But yeah, I’d love to get feedback/suggestions/criticism. We can all work on making this better.

A few changes from what I’ve written before. (I need to update the cutlist)

  • So now every instance of Obi Wan training Anakin has been removed. Even the one by Yoda towards the end. Again, not that Obi Wan didn’t - because he did, this isn’t an edit of TPM/AOTC/the OT - but by not drawing attention to and downplaying that history, Anakin/Obi Wan’s friendship is more of that equal, “brotherly” bond.

  • To that end, every instance of Anakin being called “young Skywalker” has been replaced with just “Skywalker.” Anakin is an older, mature, and experienced Jedi Knight in this cut, not the young barely-not-a-padawan-anymore. Additionally, Mace doesn’t say “I don’t think the boy can handle it” before saying he doesn’t trust him. The council treating him like an adult better portrays Anakin as an adult, rather than the whiny entitled teenager he is in the original. Any animosity he has towards the council is framed less as him being petulant, insubordinate, and out of line - now the council is deliberately blocking him and not because he’s young and undeserving.

  • I snuck more Anakin/Obi Wan friendship into the first council meeting scene and its aftermath. They really don’t get that much time with one another after the opening. So a few tweaks: When Anakin says “How can you do this?” Obi Wan shakes his head at Anakin kind of as a way to talk him down from further lashing out, rather than disapproval. And when Anakin goes to sit down and looks at Obi Wan, Obi Wan looks away guiltily. So now, Obi Wan here has a little bit of conflict between his friendship with Anakin and the council’s decisions. And the line “I’m on your side, Anakin” manifests itself beyond him just saying it - we see it. That line is also removed, then, because we should or will understand that about Obi Wan’s character without him having to tell Anakin. It’s always felt like a disingenuous rhetorical appeal to me, anyway. (Anything for them to talk more like humans, too.) User Mithrandir did a mockup of something similar that I liked.

This is a big one, thanks to ImperialFighter for the suggestion in a private topic, but I think I’m doing away with the Darth Vader scream of anguish, improved LoE version or not. The Vader awakens sequence is very different now, and I used an idea I got from a re-edit of the scene on Vimeo that I saw a few months ago but can’t seem to find anymore. But basically, it goes:

P: Anakin. Can you hear me?

DV: … Anakin Skywalker was weak… I destroyed him.

Using Star Wars Rebels audio. I just think it goes by too fast and is abrupt, so I’d really like to hear if people want it in, or suggestions and ideas on how to improve it.

This introduces a weird place I’m at mentally with the edit tho… it’s “The New Canon Cut”; obviously after Disney bought Lucasfilm, it was determined that the old EU was now uncanon and that the new canon was mostly everything made after the purchase + the films and TCW. My main motivation for starting the edit was to bend ROTS Anakin into the canon portrayal of Anakin in TCW. If they’re both canon and it’s going to be more unified, both have to fit with one another. But in rejiggering this scene, I’m pulling audio from SWR, so now Vader will have said those exact words twice in different scenarios. Which is fine, I guess. I justified leaving in Qui Gon’s disembodied voice from TCW as interpreting it as just Yoda recalling what Qui Gon said and dwelling on it, rather than hearing it for the first time…

And I legitimately think it’s more powerful for Anakin to have fallen so far that he doesn’t even worry about Padme anymore by the end, but in new canon - in the Vader comics - he flashes back to the moment Palps tells him that he was the one who killed Padme, a moment that doesn’t happen in my cut anymore. I’m thinking about renaming it, tbh. This is the most nothing concern to have if the edit is fine on its own merits, but it betrays my initial motivation for doing this whole thing.

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This is a big one, thanks to ImperialFighter for the suggestion in a private topic, but I think I’m doing away with the Darth Vader scream of anguish, improved LoE version or not. The Vader awakens sequence is very different now, and I used an idea I got from a re-edit of the scene on Vimeo that I saw a few months ago but can’t seem to find anymore. But basically, it goes:

P: Anakin. Can you hear me?

DV: … Anakin Skywalker was weak… I destroyed him.

Using Star Wars Rebels audio. I just think it goes by too fast and is abrupt, so I’d really like to hear if people want it in, or suggestions and ideas on how to improve it.

I’m actually the editor of that scene on vimeo 😃 - nice to see someone taking it and running with it! I’d love to see your edit when you’re done! sounds good

Here’s a link to the clip on Vimeo for reference: https://vimeo.com/183048045

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