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HerekittykittyX said:

How about make the imperial capitol courrsuant?

That’s not really in the spirit of the edit, and I don’t know if Snooker intends this to work alongside his Prequel edits or be a standalone thing that contradicts them.

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darthrush said:

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to take most of the Crawl establishing the imperial capitol and why the rebellion might destroy it and give more information on that end of the story? Considering you probably will be lacking for elaboration upon their attack in the regular film. Which kind of brings me to a question, what do you plan to do with the briefing scene? That could be a place to help lay out some expositon.

The rebel briefing scene will have General Madine dubbed over explaining that there is a major Imperial Weapons Depot on the forest moon of Endor. Successfully attacking this base will both be a major setback for Imperial Forces in the outer Rim as well as supply the rebellion with an extensive weapons supply for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps after the sheild generator blows up a whole bunch of rebel transports go down to the surface to aquire weapons and recover the remaining ground attack force. Madine could have his own cruiser just so he can have some exposition like “The shield is down, send the transports” or something, so that the rebellion has a minor victory.

The vfx of the gr75’s should be easy enough.

Keep in mind that there will be no attack on the capital in this film. It is simply where the Emperor sequence happens.

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I feel like that would be overly convoluted. Imo the climax should all take place in one general area. The throne room is already disconnected from “destroy the station” in the original cut, having the throne room take place on the other side of the galaxy would mean it has 0 influence on the main plot.

I think that the Emperor should be on the Executor, as he is displeased with Vader’s failure to destroy the rebels. That way the rebels can be trying to take down the factory and the Emperor (using some planetary laser on the factory or something). I think this would be easier to follow. Maybe the emperor could be using the force to “shield” the executor (so his death means something for the rebel cause).

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We shall see.

I don’t even know if I’m going to go through with the small rebel victory thing

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I really love the idea that Outbound flight had. I think that it’d be better to simplify things. The main mission is to kill the Emperor. The shield on Endor could be shielding the Emperor so then everything makes sense from that point of view. Then the space battle happens and the Rebellion could be crippled but Luke is the person who still could technically complete the mission and kill the Emperor.

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The whole reason I was thinking about moving the Emperor battle was to be like the old concept of the whole fight happening on Had Abbadon, but I will go with whatever seems right in editing. I just really don’t like the inter-cutting in the final confrontation because it takes you from something really interesting into something less interesting constantly.

If you want to see an edit that has already tried the Executor idea, look up Spence’s cut. I might do it? We’ll see.

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Alright, so according to Gary Kurtz after Han died Leia would then become queen of what remained of Alderaan. I think that this would be impossible without shooting something new, so I might just go with her being in a Rebel command ship or something.

Here’s a shot from the final sequence:
https://gfycat.com/GenuineSaneDonkey

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snooker said:

darthrush said:

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to take most of the Crawl establishing the imperial capitol and why the rebellion might destroy it and give more information on that end of the story? Considering you probably will be lacking for elaboration upon their attack in the regular film. Which kind of brings me to a question, what do you plan to do with the briefing scene? That could be a place to help lay out some expositon.

The rebel briefing scene will have General Madine dubbed over explaining that there is a major Imperial Weapons Depot on the forest moon of Endor. Successfully attacking this base will both be a major setback for Imperial Forces in the outer Rim as well as supply the rebellion with an extensive weapons supply for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps after the sheild generator blows up a whole bunch of rebel transports go down to the surface to aquire weapons and recover the remaining ground attack force. Madine could have his own cruiser just so he can have some exposition like “The shield is down, send the transports” or something, so that the rebellion has a minor victory.

The vfx of the gr75’s should be easy enough.

Keep in mind that there will be no attack on the capital in this film. It is simply where the Emperor sequence happens.

Wouldn’t be a Little blade runnerish ending

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HerekittykittyX said:

snooker said:

darthrush said:

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to take most of the Crawl establishing the imperial capitol and why the rebellion might destroy it and give more information on that end of the story? Considering you probably will be lacking for elaboration upon their attack in the regular film. Which kind of brings me to a question, what do you plan to do with the briefing scene? That could be a place to help lay out some expositon.

The rebel briefing scene will have General Madine dubbed over explaining that there is a major Imperial Weapons Depot on the forest moon of Endor. Successfully attacking this base will both be a major setback for Imperial Forces in the outer Rim as well as supply the rebellion with an extensive weapons supply for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps after the sheild generator blows up a whole bunch of rebel transports go down to the surface to aquire weapons and recover the remaining ground attack force. Madine could have his own cruiser just so he can have some exposition like “The shield is down, send the transports” or something, so that the rebellion has a minor victory.

The vfx of the gr75’s should be easy enough.

Keep in mind that there will be no attack on the capital in this film. It is simply where the Emperor sequence happens.

Wouldn’t be a Little blade runnerish ending

Huh?

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HerekittykittyX said:

snooker said:

darthrush said:

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to take most of the Crawl establishing the imperial capitol and why the rebellion might destroy it and give more information on that end of the story? Considering you probably will be lacking for elaboration upon their attack in the regular film. Which kind of brings me to a question, what do you plan to do with the briefing scene? That could be a place to help lay out some expositon.

The rebel briefing scene will have General Madine dubbed over explaining that there is a major Imperial Weapons Depot on the forest moon of Endor. Successfully attacking this base will both be a major setback for Imperial Forces in the outer Rim as well as supply the rebellion with an extensive weapons supply for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps after the sheild generator blows up a whole bunch of rebel transports go down to the surface to aquire weapons and recover the remaining ground attack force. Madine could have his own cruiser just so he can have some exposition like “The shield is down, send the transports” or something, so that the rebellion has a minor victory.

The vfx of the gr75’s should be easy enough.

Keep in mind that there will be no attack on the capital in this film. It is simply where the Emperor sequence happens.

Wouldn’t the ending be a little Blade Runner-ish?

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HerekittykittyX said:

snooker said:

darthrush said:

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to take most of the Crawl establishing the imperial capitol and why the rebellion might destroy it and give more information on that end of the story? Considering you probably will be lacking for elaboration upon their attack in the regular film. Which kind of brings me to a question, what do you plan to do with the briefing scene? That could be a place to help lay out some expositon.

The rebel briefing scene will have General Madine dubbed over explaining that there is a major Imperial Weapons Depot on the forest moon of Endor. Successfully attacking this base will both be a major setback for Imperial Forces in the outer Rim as well as supply the rebellion with an extensive weapons supply for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps after the sheild generator blows up a whole bunch of rebel transports go down to the surface to aquire weapons and recover the remaining ground attack force. Madine could have his own cruiser just so he can have some exposition like “The shield is down, send the transports” or something, so that the rebellion has a minor victory.

The vfx of the gr75’s should be easy enough.

Keep in mind that there will be no attack on the capital in this film. It is simply where the Emperor sequence happens.

Wouldn’t be a Little blade runnerish ending

End film with Lando making an origami ewok.

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OutboundFlight said:

HerekittykittyX said:

snooker said:

darthrush said:

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to take most of the Crawl establishing the imperial capitol and why the rebellion might destroy it and give more information on that end of the story? Considering you probably will be lacking for elaboration upon their attack in the regular film. Which kind of brings me to a question, what do you plan to do with the briefing scene? That could be a place to help lay out some expositon.

The rebel briefing scene will have General Madine dubbed over explaining that there is a major Imperial Weapons Depot on the forest moon of Endor. Successfully attacking this base will both be a major setback for Imperial Forces in the outer Rim as well as supply the rebellion with an extensive weapons supply for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps after the sheild generator blows up a whole bunch of rebel transports go down to the surface to aquire weapons and recover the remaining ground attack force. Madine could have his own cruiser just so he can have some exposition like “The shield is down, send the transports” or something, so that the rebellion has a minor victory.

The vfx of the gr75’s should be easy enough.

Keep in mind that there will be no attack on the capital in this film. It is simply where the Emperor sequence happens.

Wouldn’t be a Little blade runnerish ending

End film with Lando making okonomiyaki ewok.

FTFY

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I don’t see how the thing you quoted has anything to do with the ending?

EDIT: Also if you’re watching Blade Runner with narration you’re watching the wrong cut

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I think this is a really cool “what-if” idea.

You will be the one putting all of the work into this and I think in the end you should do what makes you happy, but I also think it would be cool if you give yourself some guidelines to follow when making this edit. You are already doing it as far as trying to stick close to what Gary Kurtz described. Even though source material with his influence is limited since he left before pre-production began on “Revenge” of the Jedi, from my understanding, but you could also pull from the early drafts of the film as well. Descriptions can be found here.

http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/draft-variations-for-return-of-the-jedi/

Based off what I’ve read over the years, I might have some useful suggestions.

Endor originally was a resort moon that revolved around the Imperial capital. A remnant of this remains in the final film, when the Emperor refers to Endor as “the sanctuary moon”.

So, the plotlines around Endor and Had Abbadon could be in relatively the same place. I can’t remember the original mission, but the rebel mission could have two pretty solid options. Either the rebels could either want to liberate the capital or kill the Emperor, or both!

Maybe the shield generator surrounds the capital world, and they want to take it out in order to have a ground invasion. (I know there is some concept art of some small orb stations around the planet that were meant to be mini death stars, but maybe they could be implemented as security stations or something. The generator could even be powering the security orbs, but that would be a lot more work. To keep simple, I would stick with a planet-wide shield. While you don’t have to show the ground invasion, you could use shots of Coruscant from the prequels or the Special Edition ending.

You could either have the Emperor’s throne room be underneath the City planet like it was depicted in early concept art (which would be A LOT more work), or it could be on the SSD like others have suggested. While Luke could still be viewing the destruction of the fleet on a viewscreen underneath the planet, I think it would work best on the SSD, and it makes sense because the space battle would be taking place in between the city planet and the moon.

And like others have suggested, you could use the briefing scene to get this exposition across to the audience. This scene is probably one of the most crucial pieces to your edit. While dubbing General Madine is an option (but you might worry about having the lines match the mouth and having enough footage) you could possibly create some background plates of the briefing room shots and green screen in a new character to deliver whatever information you want. Maybe get rid of Mon Mothma and Madine if necessary. If you don’t think that’s possible, it might be more believable to redub Admiral Ackbar than Madine and have him deliver that info too. I would even have in the opening crawl that despite their losses at Hoth, the Rebellion has grown in the interim to make their assault on the capital more believable, and possibly add more ships to their fleet.

Another problem with these types of edits though is that the run times become incredibly short compared to the original version, so I would try to find a use for as much footage as possible. Maybe Lando could fly into the SSD to destroy it instead of the Death Star, for example. This way you could also use the Vader death scene in the hangar as everything is falling apart around them.

While you were thinking of having the Rebels be defeated, I would honestly have them win. This is the “final” film in one of greatest film franchises of all time, so I think the stakes should be at their highest and the ending be satisfying. Having the Rebels win, but Han die, Leia have her greatest loss at her greatest victory and Luke go off on his own is what I think Kurtz meant by bittersweet. Victory at a cost. Maybe you could get a shot of the Imperial Fleet scattering into hyperspace after the SSD is destroyed, implying the fight might not be over though.

And far as the ending goes, having the two plots physically close together would also make Luke burning Vader’s body on Endor make more sense. As far as Leia, maybe instead of making her Queen of “ashes”, she could be declared the leader of the New Republic on the capital city. Even though it isn’t exactly what Kurtz described, it definitely would be a natural progression of that idea, and fit in more nicely with the narrative. You could possibly rotoscope a quick shot of her in the senate chambers or in a more OT-inspired environment. Maybe she looks serious, sad even, because she has lost the love of her life but has this responsibility she has to deal with now.

I think you should kill off Han, because that’s what Kurtz wanted, but it would be cool if you made an alternate ending where he lives still.

Also, I like your idea about making Vader more against the Emperor, but how would you justify him protecting the Emperor in the throne room? I always assumed that maybe the Emperor has some kind of influence over the Imperial Fleet to keep them organized, and that killing him during the battle could send the fleet into disarray and give the Rebels the upper hand. Maybe that concept could be implemented somehow? Some new lines from Vader on Endor?

I also like the idea of not making Leia Luke’s sister. I feel like Kurtz didn’t like this either. The easiest way to do this is to cut any mention of Leia from Luke and Ben’s conversation, and when Luke reveals it to Leia. You honestly wouldn’t have to change anything else, and the ending could imply that Luke is going to go find his long lost sister and restart the Jedi with her. Pass on what he has learned. An Episode 7 for an alternate reality.

I’m so sorry for the long post, but I think this is a really great idea Snooker, and I just wanted to share my thoughts on it. I think the three big things to stick by are:
To use Kurtz’ interviews, early drafts and concept art as primary sources of inspiration.
Use as much of the original footage as possible to maintain a believable runtime.
The simplest solutions are probably the best solutions.

I think what could make this edit stand out is by sticking to a set of rules like these, because it’ll make it feel like a true “Revenge of the Jedi” almost from an alternate reality. But it’s your edit so you should do what you’ll enjoy the most. It’s a cool idea and I look forward to what all you end up doing!

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snooker said:

I don’t see how the thing you quoted has anything to do with the ending?

EDIT: Also if you’re watching Blade Runner with narration you’re watching the wrong cut

Ok im saying a narration might over do it. I would put the force theme over the ending with some dialogue.

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Thank you so much, RogueLeader. I will take all of that into consideration.

Also I think the shortest I would let the film be is 1h 50m. The hardest part will be keeping the Jabba part long enough.

I might have to have Ackbar dubbed but I would need someone here to do it. I sort of like the idea of Endor orbiting Had Abbadon, however I want to keep the Vader/Luke/Emperor conflict as it’s own scene away from Endor. It isn’t connected to the plot and I don’t know how to connect it naturally.

I also don’t want the Rebels to take Had Abbadon or to have a massive victory, but that might make Han’s death pointless. It’s complicated.

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darthrush said:

I really like Rogue’s ideas. And in all honesty, a simple ending that is in your spirit with your edit would just be Luke burning Vader’s body. It’s very personal, bittersweet, and probably more emotional and fitting than an VO narration from Ackbar. That’s just me though.

I agree.

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darthrush said:

I really like Rogue’s ideas. And in all honesty, a simple ending that is in your spirit with your edit would just be Luke burning Vader’s body. It’s very personal, bittersweet, and probably more emotional and fitting than an VO narration from Ackbar. That’s just me though.

That’s exactly what I was thinking too. The perfect place to end it.

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Also I think the shortest I would let the film be is 1h 50m. The hardest part will be keeping the Jabba part long enough.

Really, if cutting filler isn’t your priority, the Jabba part should be the easiest to keep long enough. I say leave alone until everything else is done and cut accordingly afterwards.

As for the purpose of the Endor bunker, I think it should be a planetary shield around Coruscant Had Abbadon like the one around Scarif in RO. I just don’t see any better of implementing Had Abbadon. The thing is you’d have to give them a target there. Personally, I’d like to move the throne room there for my edit (in the Jedi High Council’s tower of the Jedi Temple, specifically), but it would be a rotoscoping nightmare. If I ever were to do it, though, I would replace the stars with a greenscreen for everyone to use.

Btw, I just realized Coruscant is like croissant.

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So, as it is currently:

Rebels (lose?) and flee into hyperspace
Emperor Scene
Vader death scene
Rebel Fleet scene
Vader Pyre

The Rebel Fleet scene and the Pyre scene would be separated like the Falcon and Broom Boy final scenes in TLJ, with there being a flash of light or something as a transition to a completely silent funeral (with the Force theme).

I also really don’t want the Empire to lose the war in this movie, but I guess the rebels completely losing would be a bummer. I don’t want the Rebel battle to involve the capital, both for practical rotoscope reasons and for my own reasons. I would be fine with something like this:

I will not film any new live action footage for this edit.

Everything in this edit will depend on how it feels in movement. Everyone’s suggestions will be tested and considered.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Also I think the shortest I would let the film be is 1h 50m. The hardest part will be keeping the Jabba part long enough.

Really, if cutting filler isn’t your priority, the Jabba part should be the easiest to keep long enough. I say leave alone until everything else is done and cut accordingly afterwards.

As for the purpose of the Endor bunker, I think it should be a planetary shield around Coruscant Had Abbadon like the one around Scarif in RO. I just don’t see any better of implementing Had Abbadon. The thing is you’d have to give them a target there. Personally, I’d like to move the throne room there for my edit (in the Jedi High Council’s tower of the Jedi Temple, specifically), but it would be a rotoscoping nightmare. If I ever were to do it, though, I would replace the stars with a greenscreen for everyone to use.

Btw, I just realized Coruscant is like croissant.

I really really don’t want the rebels to attack the capital. That would be a nightmare to pull off.