Info Wanted: Question regarding 'Jurassic Park 3D'... (and info) — Page 3

This is a really great scan!

Interestingly I think that the CGI in this version holds up much better than on the Blu-ray, since it blends better with the live action. Also the nighttime shots are much darker than on the Blu, so the CGI in the T-Rex attack sequence is a lot more conceiled and reveals less of its flaws (which also goes for the kitchen sequence). To me the worst offender to me was always the scene with the Rex chasing the jeep... it looked off both on the DVD and the Blu-ray, since the black levels of the digitally scanned shots were always inferior to the non-CG shots. Here it doesn't show at all.

I was thinking that too, even 0-255 crushes out additional detail from the print due to the narrower color space, correct?

So I assume it will be possible to derive a wider-colorspace image from the raw scan in the future? (poita seems to be fully aware of the need to future-proof, I'd assume there is a larger color gamut in the raw?)

Here's a quick and dirty Color Lookup Table (in CUBE-format) for this scan:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9s6d5ubmxseef9a/jp35mm_cube.zip?dl=0

Its main purpose is to get rid of the green tint and to slightly brighten up the image.

 What I noticed is that the 1.78:1 version does not capture the entire 35mm frame width (horizontally). Information from the right and left side of the frame is missing. 
Seeing as there is already an uncropped prores 4K version, the best way would be to release the full unmatted uncropped version windowboxed within a 1920-1080 frame stabilised to correct the shake and the cue marks removed and having the entire 35mm width and height intact, no cropping of any kind. 
That will be the best version to release. Please do it!

Mavimao said:

The missing horizontal information is marginal as far as I can see and it is necessary to crop it just a little because the edges are never pixel accurate in film. This isn't digital. The information on the extreme edges are subtly changing/weaving because of the mechanical action of the film camera. 

You can stabilize the full film frame in relation to the sprocket holes, but the image inside will weave instead! That's why you need to crop just a bit of the filmed image area to keep the image steady. Don't worry, because the cinematographer knew it would be cropped even worse in theaters and made sure there was nothing important on the far edges. 

The vertical information is interesting in an educational setting, but you will see boom mikes, c-stands, missing ceilings etc. An interesting version to be sure, but not "superior". 

 It would still be interesting all the same. Also the Laserdisc release done by Andrea contains more width but does not change or weave except in the CG sequences where there are some in-frame panning. And I would not mind seeing boom mikes and other production props. It does not need to be "superior". This release should happen at least this once because this would be the ultimate for a lot of fans and this one as well. This opportunity won't come again.

Plus, a scan of the full-frame exists. There is no need to spend more money on a fresh scan. Just the image needs to be stabilised and released in "full". That's it. It'd be the ultimate JP release.

P.S: How do I upload images from my PC here?

Mavimao said: I agree that a full-frame release would be awesome! You don't need to worry about getting anything right once. The scans are available to anyone who wants them. There are already a couple of people working on their own versions. If you'd like to create your own, you need only ask. 

 Yes I want to have the scan. How do I get it?

However, as I said it'd be better if the ones who have the scan do a basic image stabilisation and cue removal and release the open matte framed within a 16:9 window. My PC will crash if I set out to render a whole movie, forget 1080p (It's slow, was struck by lightning and does not have a UPS. I only edit clips in Adobe Premiere and have no knowledge of virtual dub or the many other tools that the users here work with.

I think he's saying a full frame release would allow the users to create whatever aspect ratio they want.

I'd be down for a full frame. Looks interesting!

Yes. That's what I want as well. To be able to see the entire 35mm filmed image.
Make it happen!

Papai2013 said:

Make it happen!

Maybe a more text polite approach would help the consideration of your request.

Just saying .....

Jetrell Fo said:

Papai2013 said:

Make it happen!

Maybe a more text polite approach would help the consideration of your request.

Just saying .....

 No no! I wasn't being impolite or ordering about. 
I was just being enthusiastic, hence the exclamation. Sorry should have been more clear about my tone. How would I ever be impolite to the guys who literally make our dreams come true. I am sorry for this misunderstanding. It was never my intention to come off as demanding. Just couldn't contain my excitement. Sorry again. 

Papai2013 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Papai2013 said:

Make it happen!

Maybe a more text polite approach would help the consideration of your request.

Just saying .....

 No no! I wasn't being impolite or ordering about. 
I was just being enthusiastic, hence the exclamation. Sorry should have been more clear about my tone. How would I ever be impolite to the guys who literally make our dreams come true. I am sorry for this misunderstanding. It was never my intention to come off as demanding. Just couldn't contain my excitement. Sorry again. 

The internet is a tough place to guage tone.  I understand your excitement and I support it too.

Cheers

:)

Jetrell Fo said: The internet is a tough place to guage tone.  I understand your excitement and I support it too.

Cheers

:)

 No problem.  :)

Hey there guys, I downloaded the movie and while I won't argue as you guys are the experts here I must say I find the pale washed out colour timing unsatisfying and decided to boost the colour saturation to about 20% which is obviously wrong and you will say I went overboard (poita would probably crucify me) but it made the film look much more appealing to my eyes. However, my PC can't handle a 1080p file this large.

Could you please upload a 720p version to the 'spleen?

Where does one go to get the uncropped 4k prores version? Thanks

For those still wondering about how "correct" the 3D version of JP is, I have some info:

When doing a 3D conversion like this, not only do they have to "cut out" every element from each frame that they want to appear as 3D, it also adds problems with transparent or half-transparent (not sure if this is the right word for it) objects. This is very visible if comparing the two, and is also a reason why it isn't faithful to the original.

If I remember correct, the first trailer for the 3D version lacked the heavy DNR (but clearly showed the grain removal filter they used) but didn't have the green/orange tint the 3D blu-ray has. That was kinda their best effort at a good choice of color, until they edited it for the blu-ray which is plain horrible.

As for the placement of objects and generation of stuff that isn't even in the original frames, just look at the comparisons on caps-a-holic.

First one - Here they have separated the two men in the foreground as well as the plant on the bottom left from the background. Just look at the man on the left and how he's "zoomed in" in the 3D version. You can also see how the 3D version has added small extra half-transparent patches to the plant to cover up how it was cut out.

Second one - Here the whole gate has been cut out and you can clearly see how its shape is different in the 3D version.

Third one - One of the most horrible shots I've ever seen when it comes to 3D conversion. You can see it everywhere, look at the grass and plants in the background, foreground and on the sides. Look at Sam Neill's right foot, look at the grass straw at the left side of his left foot. It's all over the shot and it's so ugly and horrible.

Fourth one - Compare the tree on the rightmost edge.

Fifth one - Plants in the left side background and stone pillar in the right side foreground.

Sixth one - Missing hair behind his ear and on the left side overall. Very common result of cutting out an element with parts that are half-transparent.

Seventh one - To be honest I have no idea what they've done here. It looks like they wanted to separate his glasses, eyes and nose to make all look more 3D. In the 3D version his nostrils look bigger, moustache is blurred, eye larger...

Bottom line: 3D conversions like this are something to stay away from. The original is beautiful, the "3D version" is an ugly mess.

New to the community and don’t have a spleen invite/account but I wanted to chime in on the open matte Jurassic Park. I’m a long time die-hard fan of the film and have an open matte copy of the film in high definition and bitrate. A friend scanned his friends copy and burned it to a HD for me. I cut the reels together and added a little saturation but left the matte open. Is the spleen copy cropped at all?

Here are a few grabs of my copy. The blacks are very crushed in the Trex paddock scene unfortunately but the rest is a drastic improvement in color timing over the DVD and 3D Bluray

http://imgur.com/a/ice3D

My apologies that the shots are fairly Explorer-centric but the accurate colors of the car in this version were very important to me since they look so different in the other releases. These snapshots are from Jan 2015 and I only have a handful of screengrabs since then.

scoodidabop said:

New to the community and don’t have a spleen invite/account but I wanted to chime in on the open matte Jurassic Park. I’m a long time die-hard fan of the film and have an open matte copy of the film in high definition and bitrate. A friend scanned his friends copy and burned it to a HD for me. I cut the reels together and added a little saturation but left the matte open. Is the spleen copy cropped at all?

Here are a few grabs of my copy. The blacks are very crushed in the Trex paddock scene unfortunately but the rest is a drastic improvement in color timing over the DVD and 3D Bluray

http://imgur.com/a/ice3D

My apologies that the shots are fairly Explorer-centric but the accurate colors of the car in this version were very important to me since they look so different in the other releases. These snapshots are from Jan 2015 and I only have a handful of screengrabs since then.

The color in those screengrabs look great. As much as I love the MrNiceGuy upload, I have to say I don’t enjoy the way the color looks, but I cannot say what is “right” or not. Given that it was before the Matrix slipup/miscommunication, I wonder if there is a colorspace error or worse with that one too.

Anyway, welcome. I can give you an invite to spleen if you want. I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t partially to encourage you to upload your scan! 😃 But even if you don’t intend to do that, feel free to PM me for an invite.

I of course can’t speak to the Matrix thing since I’m new here and am totally clueless about that situation 😉

For the colors here I simply added a little saturation and adjusted some brightness/contrast/gamma settings since the entire scan was rather dark and lifeless. No other color timing/tint/adjustments were made though so the actual hue is accurate to what was originally filmed - thank goodness. The pinks and magentas in the 3D bluray were overbearing and the strong “cool” wash on the DVD didn’t sit well with me either.

scoodidabop said:

I of course can’t speak to the Matrix thing since I’m new here and am totally clueless about that situation 😉

For the colors here I simply added a little saturation and adjusted some brightness/contrast/gamma settings since the entire scan was rather dark and lifeless. No other color timing/tint/adjustments were made though so the actual hue is accurate to what was originally filmed - thank goodness. The pinks and magentas in the 3D bluray were overbearing and the strong “cool” wash on the DVD didn’t sit well with me either.

The open matte scan you have, it seems that the left side of the frame is a bit cropped (compared to the other 35mm scan). Is there a possibility you can restore the full width of the original print and share the open matte version with us? Please let us know. I’ve been dying to watch the open matte version, with all the boom mics and false ceilings. Thanks!

P.S: Spleen may not allow film prints any more, though it did allow Star Trek 3 recently. You gotta ask the admins.

Whoa! Very cool stuff about the JP Scan!

There are also alternatives to the spleen if that doesn’t work out as well.