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Idea: a possible Red Dwarf fan film...

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Hi all,

Following comments in OCP’s megathread regarding the making of a Red Dwarf fan film, it’s something I’m seriously considering.

For those familiar, the current idea is to use the extended versions of a few episodes of series 7, the ones without laughter tracks. But I’d thought I’d start this thread as somewhere for people to brainstorm.

So if you’ve got any ideas, comments, or wishes, this is the place…

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IMO, Series 7 was the worst of the lot. have a go though. i'll still watch it

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that it was the least 'funny' is something I think every one will agree on, but it was also the series when they started shooting on film rather than cheap BBC video, and it was also the most epic in terms of the stories they tried to tell, which is why I think it would be the best starting point.

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Okay, watching the 'ouroboros' episode now, and definatly want to include the birth of lister plot somehow, so I guess that this is my starting point. However, this also introduces kochanski, the whole dimensional rift thing, and lister in a pink dressing gown....hmmm

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You go for it boyo!!!!

I have all the VHS tapes and all the DVD's so if there is anything you are short of for source material, let me know.

The audio books are pretty neat too........

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glad to see you here russ, looking for as much input as possible on this one, so any ideas you have, let them rip. And I might well be hitting you up for stuff, do you have the remastered videos of the first 3 series?

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The remastered versions are a joke, don't use them.

Series 7 is by far the worst of the series, even worse than series 8, but it's also the one series where they tried to make the show look like a "film." So that's the idea of the edit, to create a Red Dwarf movie. Can't be any worse than the Doctor Who movie (Cushing or McGann, take your pick).

And you could make it funnier with faster pacing, cutting out the fat and making it all 16x9 and cinematic.

Also both Tikka to Ride and Ouroboros have a very "flashback" like structure which would allow you to sneak back to other series and provide clips from every series that seem to sum up the show .... look in the DVD deleted scenes and you'll find material without laugh tracks on it that can be used.

My feeling is that Rimmer should be kept in the movie ... at least he's in Tikka To Ride, which is a pretty cinematic episode, and some clever editing should keep him "around" in the plot for at least most of the proceedings.

The bad CGI that's all through series 7 and 8 should be replaced whenever possible by the original model effects from series 1-6 which you can get in lovely quality in the DVD extras. Shot on film, the model shots are presented uncut and look VERY filmic.

There's even an easter egg on one of the series which shows a cool effect where a wide shot of the Dwarf crew is shot on film, and then there's a shot of them literally projected into the Starbug cockpit, a very difficult effect, unused in the final show.

This could make a good title sequence.



Okay, here's some ideas ....

The opening should be like it was in series 1 .... very slow and cinematic, a la 2001. With THAT theme music. Y'know. You could use some effects model shots of Starbug from any series to run with the opening titles, which would be very understated a la MST3K the movie or Serenity. The aforementioned "shot on film" tests of the Dwarf crew could be used. Maybe.


I would love to see Holly have the first line with "This is a distress call from the mining ship Red Dwarf." Although at this point in the story Red Dwarf is lost in space, the distress call would still be floating out there, if we were in the right place to receive it. So that would be cool.


Actually I had thought at one point that Holly should be edited into the movie, just to have him in there. There's more than enough deleted/laugh track less Holly material from series 1, 2, Nanarchy and 8 to do something with him. He would be aboard Starbug in the way that HattieHolly was.


I definitely feel that Tikka to Ride and Ouroboros can link together as one story, since there are a few things they have in common.


Preferably I'd like to see Kochanski NOT introduced in this version of Ouroboros, as if she's already there in the storyline, but I can live with this movie including her introduction as a character.

As long as you don't kill off Wash or Book ... wait, wrong show ...



Red Dwarf, the Movie.

I'm watching Red Dwarf series 7 for the first time - I'd always avoided it after seeing one awful episode from it (Stoke Me a Clipper) ... it's clearly the worst series for a great show ...

But watching the DVD's extended versions of "Tikka to Ride" and "Ouroboros", which are presented without a laugh track ...

This might as well be Red Dwarf the movie. They're all filmlooked, and only rarely look like video during these episodes due to the single-camera style. There's a flashback and time travel aspect to both episodes that would lend itself well to a movie, and to including clips from previous series ... we flash back to the end of series 6, the beginning of series 1 (to annoyingly rewrite history and include the black hole of comedy herself, Chloe Annett, who sucks the humor out of the series ... but never mind, it'd be a good excuse to revisit series 1 or 8 in the movie) ... Lister's wedding to a Gelf back in ... series 5 I think ... is also referenced.

These being flashbacks, they wouldn't have to look like film, if you kept them brief. You'd have to be carefully choose non laugh track material though ... thankfully the DVDs contain lots of material without laugh tracks as deleted scenes, outtakes etc.

These two episodes do link together slightly, despite Rimmer not being in the latter. The ending to Ouroboros, which is a good one, uses the time travel device from Tikka to Ride.

I think that these episodes and others from Red Dwarf series 7 could be edited together into one coherent story. I think the pace should be picked up a bit, because it doesn't quite work without the laugh track.

Effects shots from previous series could be used in all their filmy glory, and if possible, I'd like to see Holly brought back somehow. You'd have to keep Rimmer in the story too somehow.

You'd also have to crop the 4x3 footage to 16x9, and sort of rework the order of things, introduce the plotlines of all the episodes you're using together at the beginning of the film.


But it would definitely work. It's halfway there already.


Just an idea.
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You absolutely need to pick up the new DVD releases if you don't have them.
Series 7 has extended/remastered episodes of Tikka to Ride, Ouroboros and Duct Soup, there's also lots of deleted scenes.
In fact all the seasons have a good deal of material that are perfectly good (not screwed up lines) but clips deleted mostly for time or pacing.
Series 8 of the new discs has extended/tv movie length versions of Back in the Red and Pete (the multipart episodes extended and cut together as single long ones).

You'd have a lot more to work with.

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Look everyone agrees that season 7 is the worst but if you're planning on improving on it then i say go for it. I actually really like Tikka to ride, it kind of went pear shaped after that.

would you consider elements of other season / episodes if they work within the context of the story?



seem like they stared heading your way during season 8 with long multi episode storylines and such.

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Im working my way through 'Tikka To Ride' now, basically just trimming here and there.

I'm liking OCP's idea of using flashbacks, just like the original openming does, but more of them. I don't think I'll be using a whole bunch of the Tikka episode, bar establishing that they have the time drive, and they use it

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okay guys, what I want everyone who reads or takes an interest in this thread to do is sit down and watch series 6,7, or 8 (or basically just as much RD as possible) then come back with any ideas you might have about what you want to see in a Red Dwarf movie

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Why was the episode called "Tikka to Ride" anyway? What the heck is a "Tikka?"


(looks it up at Wiki)

Tikka or Teeka is an Indian word with multiple meanings.
It is a word from Pushtu meaning a piece of meat etc. In Hindi and Punjabi this is referred to as boti. Tikka in this sense is pronounced with a soft 't'. Tieeka or tikka in the forehead/or needle sense is pronounced with a hard 't'.
In English, the terms are often written the same, which can lead to some confusion.
The red mark worn on the forehead by men or women. The woman's mark is more often called a bindi, and the red mark when worn by men or when applied with red vermilion paste, is more often called a tikka. It is applied typically with the thumb, in an upward stroke.
When Rajput men married, they are said to have cut their thumb on their sword and applied a tikka of their own blood to their brides. This custom evoked the Rajput values of courage and indifference to pain.
Several Bollywood movies have used the "tikka of blood" theme, notably Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak and Gadar.
The tear drop shape of the teeka / tikka is likened to the tear drop shape of some meats, when cooked in a cutlet form. Chicken tikka refers to this shape. Tikka can be of any shape, cooked, roasted or fried it has nothing to do with tear drops.
A marinade made of a mixture of aromatic spices and dahi (the Indian word for plain yoghurt). The red marinade is likened to tikka, not because of the shape as above, but because of the red color. It probably originated in the northern Indian state of Rajasthan and is most commonly used to marinate small pieces of chicken, fish or paneer, which are then grilled in a tandoor. This marinade is traditionally not used for pork, mutton, lamb or beef.
Tikka Khan was Chief of Pakistan Army.


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Oh. It's an oblique reference to Lister's quest for Indian food, which in the original ending left him stranded in space. And I guess Kennedy's "ride" in Dallas.



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What a confusing, awful title.
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or because tikka's a curry, lister's a scouser, so were The Beatle's, who wrote 'Ticket To Ride'

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And the episode is largely set in the 60s.


Still a dumb title.


In the 60s Doctor Who episode The Chase, The Beatles were shown, performing "Ticket to Ride ..."
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wow thats cool, was it library footage or did they film it especially for the show? I'm a huge beatles fan

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okay just thinking out loud here, one of my ideas so far is to have the scene where baby lister is found under the pool table as a pre-credits opener. after the credits then use the bulk of tikka to ride, I was thinking of starting it with listers attempts to explain the end of series 5 coupled with some flashbacks, but having got through Tikka To Ride, I thought maybe I could start the movie with Lister appearing inside JFK's riot van saying "I have a very strange tale to tell" and then show the rest of the episode...

any thoughts?

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Davey, I don't mean to tell you how to do things but is there much point in introducing the time drive [in trimmed down fashion] if they don't really focus in it throughout the rest of the season? As an audience i'd be most interested in seeing something fresh, a new angle on things. I'd be happy if you chopped up scenes and sprinkled them all over the place as long as i can sit and watch it and be entertained without being confused. - And as ocp mentioned if you really work on the pacing alone you could improve things.

I think that maybe you should go thru and rate certain things according to how important you think they are to the overall story. If you can also inject anything from season 6 then that'd be great. Season 6 was the best season by far - and it actually flows pretty well if you st and watch all 6 eps in a row. I also really like the flashbacks ideas as has been mentioned.

I haven't actually picked up a copy of season 8 yet - it's sold out everywhere i look atm - bit I will go back and take a look at the other dvds.

As an audience i'd be most interested in seeing something fresh, a new angle on things.

what about a really grand theatrical style opening? I'd love that.

-FYI I have seen every episode of the show more times than i care to count. all except 'Krytie tv'. It's never been aired here in oz as far as i can tell
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the way I see it theres basically three stores that would lend themselves best to becoming a 'movie':-

1) The loss of Red Dwarf - they lose it, look for it, find it...this would involve footage from seasons 5,6,7 & 8

2) The death of Rimmer - the whole Ace Rimmer storyline

3) The birth of Lister - this is the one I'm playing with, simply because I need less 'proper' footage from the previous video-shot episodes, but it does need to time drive to be introduced because this is how Lister places himself under the pool table

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Either starting out with lister confronting JFK or placing himself under the pool table would make a great teaser scene.

Of those 3 story lines the Lister one is the most interesting.

Also I didn't really like Rimmer's leaving. Any chance you can keep him in it as much as possible and play down the whole Ace thing?
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If I'm going with Lister then I see no need to involve Ace at all, but it dows unfortunatly mean I must include Kochanski, and since Rimmer's gone by then, I'm gonna need to work around that somehow

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I got it! slap an 'h' on her forehead

tikka to ride impressions...

- if yr considering doing a stand alone / theatrical style presentation then the intro is a LOT of info to take in. and not entirely necessary. and it only provides a minor laugh...also the remastered space shots still don't look too great. - the shots at the start i mean. some of the other space shots look nice. I'd drop the whole ship expanding / instability plotline.

- Re: the x-tended scene where lister explains how he worked it out and Rimmer tricks him into detaching the rear section. I'd suggest you use it at the very end of the story as a sort of resolution [providing it works with the other episodes] - Although IF you do make sure you DONT include any early shots of curry debris.

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curry debris..is THAT what that supposed to be, I always thought they were, y'know, disposing of the waste

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Something else I need to figure out, is just how to segue from one episode into the next without it weeming like, well two episode I suppose. I've highlighted a few scenes I can use, but they're from the un-extended episodes which means I've got the added problem of a laughter track!!

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Also again you're working with non laugh track material, so you wouldn't be using much from Stoke Me a Clipper or whatever (apart from the deleted scenes section) ....

I really didn't like Stoke Me a Clipper - ruined the character of Ace and left us Rimmerless.



(The Beatles appearance on early Doctor Who was library footage - a performance which is now lost and only still exists in the short Doctor Who clip ...)
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so has anyone been doing their homework on series 5 or 6 for me?

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