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Ha ha- since everyone seems to bring up politics in every thread imaginable, here's a thread devoted to politics. Now, the other threads will not be cluttered with this garbage.

Rules:

1. No personal insults
2. Provide reasons for your opinions


What not to do:

You're a #$#%@ moron. Bush is an idiot. Kerry is an idiot. Nader is an idiot. Washington was an idiot. They're all idiots.


Let the fun begin!

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Before this begins, let me state that it will be quite difficult not to break any of those rules, considering the previous political discussions we had over here, BUT... let's try our best, eh?
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Political discussions here can be civil. Davis made a good move by asking that people be good. If you recall, I had a couple discussions I stared that turned out fairly well (one was about gun control).

They don't seem to be here anymore, but I remember writing at least a couple of them.
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Originally posted by: Davis
Bush is an idiot. Kerry is an idiot. Nader is an idiot. Washington was an idiot. They're all idiots.
So by that quote am I to assume that this thread is about U.S Politics? There are other countries you know...
Originally posted by: starkiller
Political discussions here can be civil. Davis made a good move by asking that people be good. If you recall, I had a couple discussions I stared that turned out fairly well (one was about gun control). They don't seem to be here anymore, but I remember writing at least a couple of them.

The Terror in London thread has some very cicil and well put arguments.

Personally I think a generic politics thread is a bit too vague, but hey.

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I think this thread will be used to concentrated all the political debate. If we start debating about it on an unrelated thread, such as what happened in Space Shuttle, we'll move it to here.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Yeah, ok, I dig.
Sometimes conversations just flow and grow from nothing and I think people screaming 'off-topic, off-topic' can really killa good conversatiuon, whether it is off-topic or not. But if that is still allowed and then we just bring it here, then that's cool.

War does not make one great.

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Wow this thread died fast.

Of course, that 's because politics suck.

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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
THERE ARE TWO TOPICS THAT ARE ALWAYS EXPLOSIVE, AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM. THE OTHER IS RELIGION.


Your topics SUCK and they are IDIOTS!

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Can I refer to Nader as Darth Nader? Does ne1 find that offensive? Anyway, I wont mention Bush, but Ann Coulter is stupid, so is Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. As I said in the other forum, the four should get together and have an orgy.
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Wow. That is probably the best political statement I've ever seen since Chaplin's final speech in The Great Dictator.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Wow. That is probably the best political statement I've ever seen since Chaplin's final speech in The Great Dictator.



Why, thank you . I wrote that myself. Up all hours of the night on that one.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Can I refer to Nader as Darth Nader? Does ne1 find that offensive? Anyway, I wont mention Bush, but Ann Coulter is stupid, so is Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. As I said in the other forum, the four should get together and have an orgy.


Well, I would criticize the DJs on Dead-Air Ameri...ooops, I mean Air America (why have a liberal radio network when there's NPR??), but nobody would hear it.

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Originally posted by: JediSage
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Can I refer to Nader as Darth Nader? Does ne1 find that offensive? Anyway, I wont mention Bush, but Ann Coulter is stupid, so is Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. As I said in the other forum, the four should get together and have an orgy.


Well, I would criticize the DJs on Dead-Air Ameri...ooops, I mean Air America (why have a liberal radio network when there's NPR??), but nobody would hear it.



Hey, I like NPR!
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Can I refer to Nader as Darth Nader? Does ne1 find that offensive? Anyway, I wont mention Bush, but Ann Coulter is stupid, so is Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. As I said in the other forum, the four should get together and have an orgy.


If you question the mental faculties of Coulter and Hanity, then what can you say about the almost non-existant thoughts of Micheal Moore or Al Franken?

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Can I refer to Nader as Darth Nader? Does ne1 find that offensive? Anyway, I wont mention Bush, but Ann Coulter is stupid, so is Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. As I said in the other forum, the four should get together and have an orgy.


If you question the mental faculties of Coulter and Hanity, then what can you say about the almost non-existant thoughts of Micheal Moore or Al Franken?


Eh, they're too busy to get involved with one another. But, oh, you're serious. Well I can't be a hater on my boys!!!! They're just as intelligient as Coulter and Hannity, however, there is a large difference, Moore and Franken are level-headed and don't want to control every single person's lives like the conservatives do.

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As all good lawyers should be, I am a classical liberal. That means that people should be free to do what they choose so long as it does not impede the progress of society. This, of course, means that I am in favour of free market capitalism, freedom of religion, free speech and all the other things that can potentially make a country great, and can also contribute to its downfall. It's all about self-discipline, baby.

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My thoughts exactly. Now if only the US met all of those categories...
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
As all good lawyers should be


So what's your take on "interpreting" the constitution vs constructionism? Do you believe in the "discovered" rights to privacy that came about as a result of Roe v Wade, while ruling out specific wording in the Bill of Rights, as many do when ruling in say...2nd Amendment cases? Or are you a letter of the law type lawyer? I'm curious to know why a lawyer needs to be liberal by definition. Could you also expand on that further?
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Can I refer to Nader as Darth Nader? Does ne1 find that offensive? Anyway, I wont mention Bush, but Ann Coulter is stupid, so is Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. As I said in the other forum, the four should get together and have an orgy.


If you question the mental faculties of Coulter and Hanity, then what can you say about the almost non-existant thoughts of Micheal Moore or Al Franken?


Eh, they're too busy to get involved with one another. But, oh, you're serious. Well I can't be a hater on my boys!!!! They're just as intelligient as Coulter and Hannity, however, there is a large difference, Moore and Franken are level-headed and don't want to control every single person's lives like the conservatives do.


Excuse me, but that just sounds asenine! Conservatives, yes, want to restrict certain behavirour... DEVIANT behaviour. We want to stop murders, and rapes, and gay marriage, and NAMBLA, and rampant drug use, and availability of porn to children.

It's the liberals who want to control what people EAT and DRIVE and THINK. It's the liberals who say "Porn is OK, but just looking at a woman is sexual harrasment. But if you rape and kill her, then that's OK. We'll get you an aquital." Liberals are the elitist, self righteous jerks who think they know how the US should spend us money.

Gundark and Adam, I am certainly not accusing YOU of holding these views, but what I've listed is typical and true of the party you're defending.

And.. how the (FRACK) can you say Micheal Moore is "LEVEL HEADED"??

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Can I refer to Nader as Darth Nader? Does ne1 find that offensive? Anyway, I wont mention Bush, but Ann Coulter is stupid, so is Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. As I said in the other forum, the four should get together and have an orgy.


If you question the mental faculties of Coulter and Hanity, then what can you say about the almost non-existant thoughts of Micheal Moore or Al Franken?


Eh, they're too busy to get involved with one another. But, oh, you're serious. Well I can't be a hater on my boys!!!! They're just as intelligient as Coulter and Hannity, however, there is a large difference, Moore and Franken are level-headed and don't want to control every single person's lives like the conservatives do.


No, they don't want the control, they just espouse a system of government that makes it a foregone conclusion. Unbridled liberalism = socialism = communism = totalitarianism.

And, "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Liar" : Very....level....headed.
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Moore and Franken are level-headed


Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911
Propaganda_And_Fahrenheit

And this is actually written by a liberal: Propaganda_And_Fahrenheit

Become educated.

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EDIT: Actually... screw it. It's not worth getting into a debate with people not willing to think over their own statements before they hit "SUBMIT".
For as much as some people claim to hate what Star Wars has become, they sure seem incapable of shutting up about it.
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Originally posted by: Rebel Rouser
EDIT: Actually... screw it. It's not worth getting into a debate with people not willing to think over their own statements before they hit "SUBMIT".


To whom are you speaking?
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Can I refer to Nader as Darth Nader? Does ne1 find that offensive? Anyway, I wont mention Bush, but Ann Coulter is stupid, so is Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. As I said in the other forum, the four should get together and have an orgy.


If you question the mental faculties of Coulter and Hanity, then what can you say about the almost non-existant thoughts of Micheal Moore or Al Franken?


Eh, they're too busy to get involved with one another. But, oh, you're serious. Well I can't be a hater on my boys!!!! They're just as intelligient as Coulter and Hannity, however, there is a large difference, Moore and Franken are level-headed and don't want to control every single person's lives like the conservatives do.


Excuse me, but that just sounds asenine! Conservatives, yes, want to restrict certain behavirour... DEVIANT behaviour. We want to stop murders, and rapes, and gay marriage, and NAMBLA, and rampant drug use, and availability of porn to children.

It's the liberals who want to control what people EAT and DRIVE and THINK. It's the liberals who say "Porn is OK, but just looking at a woman is sexual harrasment. But if you rape and kill her, then that's OK. We'll get you an aquital." Liberals are the elitist, self righteous jerks who think they know how the US should spend us money.

Gundark and Adam, I am certainly not accusing YOU of holding these views, but what I've listed is typical and true of the party you're defending.

And.. how the (FRACK) can you say Micheal Moore is "LEVEL HEADED"??


I can understand conservatives wanting to restrcit behaviors that cause harm to others, but, gay marriage? rampant grug use? availability of porn to children? These are personal issues that are delt with on a personal level, and are actions that do not have the possibility of harming the general public.The fact that this gruop of liberals want to tell the US how to spend money and run things is no better than the way conservatives do it. Come to think of it, Michael Moore is no more level headed than Rush Lembaugh, they are both extremists.
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