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Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.
But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?
Why should it be?
There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women
You don’t know that.
Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.
Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?
You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.
Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.
You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.
It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?
Because the culture is a mixed up, no? Don’t you see what I’m saying and how this is a good example for my argument?
Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.
But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?
Why should it be?
There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women
You don’t know that.
Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.
Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?
You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.
Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.
You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.
It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.
Why the fuck not? What is it about Star Wars that requires it to cater to straight white dudes only? Star Wars is supposed to be a universal story about the human experience.
Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.
But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?
Why should it be?
There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women
You don’t know that.
Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.
Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?
You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.
Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.
You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.
It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.
Like Dom said, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be appealing to women.
Why does it matter that fewer women like Star Wars?
It doesn’t matter. People like what they like. They don’t what they don’t. It’s not for you to feel oppressed on their behalf when they couldn’t care less about it.
I’m saying it’s not a problem in and of itself but it is emblematic of other problems that exist in our culture
Okay, yes, the culture does play a large part in encouraging people to prefer certain things. I don’t know if it’s a “problem” or not so long as someone can like what they like without being ridiculed. (I’m looking at you, Frink. -.-)
It is not for us to say every demographic should find equal interest in things (including Star Wars). In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Frink, don’t be an ass.
As soon as Warbler admits he doesn’t know jack shit about women I’ll stop “being an ass.” Saying that no women like Star Wars is disgusting and offensive.
I didn’t say no women like Star Wars. I merely think that more men like it than women.
You said it several times until the post where I said you should have originally said it the way you just said it now.
I did? Well, I never meant that there are no female Star Wars fans.
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Because it somehow helped?
Not that I can see.
It could have helped.
By getting more diverse people to join the forum?
The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.
And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.
Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.
That’s a problem.
Its a problem a that this place is a Star Wars forum or that Star Wars just doesn’t attract women?
The latter.
That “problem” goes beyond the scope of just this forum. It not going to change anytime soon. Men and women just like to watch different kinds of movies/tv shows.
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Because it somehow helped?
Not that I can see.
It could have helped.
By getting more diverse people to join the forum?
The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.
And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.
Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Because it somehow helped?
Not that I can see.
It could have helped.
By getting more diverse people to join the forum?
The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.
And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.
Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.
That’s a problem.
Its a problem a that this place is a Star Wars forum or that Star Wars just doesn’t attract women?
Regardless, I apologize for flying off the handle. I guess you must have just worded multiple posts poorly.
JEDIT: Quotes are in wrong order but too much work to fix.
yes you’re right. I poorly worded those posts.
Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.
But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?
Why should it be?
Of course it isn’t.
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Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.
But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?
Why should it be?
There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women
You don’t know that.
Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.
Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?
You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.
Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.
You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.
It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.
Why the fuck not? What is it about Star Wars that requires it to cater to straight white dudes only? Star Wars is supposed to be a universal story about the human experience.
That’s what it was from the beginning.
The Person in Question
Applicable to our discussion.
My point exactly.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?
Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.
The Person in Question
Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.
But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?
Why should it be?
There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women
You don’t know that.
Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.
Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?
You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.
Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.
You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.
It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.
Why the fuck not? What is it about Star Wars that requires it to cater to straight white dudes only? Star Wars is supposed to be a universal story about the human experience.
Does it cater to straight white dudes only? Who says it does? Is it required to? Who says it is? The culture? Which part? Mainstream?
You’re telling me mainstream culture tells us Star Wars is for straight white dudes and nerds only?
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.
But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?
Why should it be?
There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women
You don’t know that.
Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.
Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?
You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.
Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.
You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.
It is not the job of Star Wars to cater to all.
Why the fuck not? What is it about Star Wars that requires it to cater to straight white dudes only? Star Wars is supposed to be a universal story about the human experience.
Does it cater to straight white dudes only? Who says it does? Is it required to? Who says it is? The culture? Which part? Mainstream?
You’re telling me mainstream culture tells us Star Wars is for straight white dudes and nerds only?
There’s certainly an undercurrent of that in culture.
If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?
Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.
It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].
In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.
Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
can we get this back to being a politics thread?
This can cover social issues too, and it’s very privileged for you to take the position you are taking now.
sorry warb, but i am stealing your bit
*sigh*
You’re basically saying that this issue doesn’t matter, which, I think, should be pretty offensive towards women.
Nope, i am saying the three of you talking for 5 pages doesn’t matter. you guys aren’t exactly doing anything about the issue.
Discussion is important. It raises awareness about the issue. I am hoping that if I have this argument enough times, hearts and minds will change. If you immerse yourself in and opinion for enough time, you may acknowledge the merit in it.
I’d also state it amounts to an erasure of these issues.
If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?
Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.
It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].
In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.
Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.
We need to create a cultural environment, both explicitly and impicitly, where’s okay for women to like Star Wars.
can we get this back to being a politics thread?
This can cover social issues too, and it’s very privileged for you to take the position you are taking now.
sorry warb, but i am stealing your bit
*sigh*
You’re basically saying that this issue doesn’t matter, which, I think, should be pretty offensive towards women.
Nope, i am saying the three of you talking for 5 pages doesn’t matter. you guys aren’t exactly doing anything about the issue.
Discussion is important. It raises awareness about the issue. I am hoping that if I have this argument enough times, hearts and minds will change. If you immerse yourself in and opinion for enough time, you may acknowledge the merit in it.
True.
I’m not convinced that the issues being discussed here today are actually issues, more than they are “I wish more people liked this; or I wish this was not that way.”
If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?
Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.
It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].
In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.
Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.
We need to create a cultural environment, both explicitly and impicitly, where’s okay for women to like Star Wars.
On these forums: Yes, we should.
In society at large: …We don’t? What does the culture do to shun women for liking Star Wars?
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?
Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.
It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].
In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.
Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.
We need to create a cultural environment, both explicitly and impicitly, where’s okay for women to like Star Wars.
Who says it is not okay for women to like Star Wars? Of course it okay for women to like Star Wars!
That’s a serious question. I don’t see why Star Wars, as a franchise, is not friendly to women.
Rey is a woman. And she’s a badass fighter and amazing pilot.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
That’s a serious question. I don’t see why Star Wars, as a franchise, is not friendly to women.
Rey is a woman. And she’s a badass fighter and amazing pilot.
I’m not talking about Star Wars; I’m talking about the culture surrounding it.
That’s a serious question. I don’t see why Star Wars, as a franchise, is not friendly to women.
Rey is a woman. And she’s a badass fighter and amazing pilot.
I’m not talking about Star Wars; I’m talking about the culture surrounding it.
Oh. Umm… I don’t know much about that. I visit here. That’s it.
And I can’t talk about my knowledge of Star Wars with my IRL friends because I get labelled a “purist.”
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?
Oh great. I don’t know why I’m addressing this, but that has nothing to do with equality.
It has to do with people arguing that some people should like certain things, while other people should not like other things because [insert reason].
In my view tolerance and equality are similar beasts, approaching the same argument from opposite angles.
Women apparently should like Star Wars more than they do. And it’s our job (and Star Wars’ job) to tell them they should…why? Just let them like it or not. If they don’t, then they don’t.
We need to create a cultural environment, both explicitly and impicitly, where’s okay for women to like Star Wars.
On these forums: Yes, we should.
In society at large: …We don’t? What does the culture do to shun women for liking Star Wars?
It’s more subtle, systematic, and implicit than that. While there are explicit examples of these deeper norms, it’s more of a pervasive problem that surfaces subtly. It’s hard to notice, but it’s there. Sometimes women aren’t exposed as much to these things. Sometimes it’s a gentle force steering them away. It’s like the norm that blue is for boys and that pink is for girls. There’s no biological reason for that; in fact, there was a time where the opposite was true. It’s just that there are societal norms embedded in culture that we are exposed to since the time we are born. It doesn’t have to be so explicit.
Oh. Umm… I don’t know much about that. I visit here. That’s it.
And I can’t talk about my knowledge of Star Wars with my IRL friends because I get labelled a “purist.”
Not Star Wars culture, just Western culture in general.
I think some might say Star Wars is a part of “nerd culture.” Whatever that is. So it may not be because it’s Star Wars, but because sci-fi (sci-fantasy?) is one of those nerdy things. And culture says such things are more for guys.
I have no idea how to fix that. I wish I could. I’m filmly entrenched in it from multiple angles: Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, video games, board games… and the perception is that women are quite the minority of the fanbase for all of those. As well it seems many fans of any one of those don’t really intersect with the others.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Happy to see this thread has plumbed new depths of inanity in my brief absence.
