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hey guys i know alot of you guys are HP fans so i thought about starting this thread to talk about what the horcrux's are going to be in book 7.

i dont know if any of you remember but in a previous discussion on this topic i stated my idea as a horcrux would be hogwarts itself, it fits all the criteria and it would never ever be suspected to be one. the only analogy the best place to hide something is in right out in the open, by making hogwarts a horcrux well its protected by DD the most powerfull wizard int he world. not only that who in there right mind would distroy hogwarts, or would want to distroy it, unless they knew that it was a horcux. a funny line comes to mind, you;d have to be insane to make hogwards a horcrux, well voldemort isnt insane. along with all this hogwarts fits other the criteria for a horcrux.

- not only is it related to all 4 of the great founders, its the culmination of there efforts, what would be more symbolic of power( that which voldemort craves the most) along with fame, then put your soul into hogwarts, and for all intense purposes puting yourself on the same level as the four founders.
- hogwarts is something that voldemort loves, he love the castle more then anything, it was his only true home, thus says DD, and so it would just makes sense in someway that voldemort would want to mark his home with his soul.

this could have been why voldemort came to the castle for the interview, and the gesture he made (the one harry though might have been a gesture to his wand) might have been him casting his soul into the castle something that might have only been possible in the headmasters office. i think thats a very solid theory what do you think.


one other thing that just occured to me, people have been saying again and again that harry is a horcrux, and siting all the evidence for it, i.e. that harry and voldemort are connect, harry is a parceltouge(SP), harry has voldemorts power and such. well it occured to me if harry was a horcrux why would voldemort want to kill him in the GoF. and then i thought. what if voldemort lied about the blood of someone that hated him the most. what if he needed harry cause harry really did have a peice of his soul, and in taking his blood and coming back to life voldemort removed that peice of soul from harry, thus eleminating the horcrux in him, making him expendable. what do you guys think
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That is the best theory I've read for Book 7. Ever. I definitely haven't seen anything like that on IMDb's HP boards, though I haven't been there in a while. Anyway.

Yes, not only is it connected to the four founders, but it also has all those enchantments on it. We know it's Unplottable and you can't Apparate, but what else? Who knows what powerful magic resides in that ancient castle?

Er... could we have a recap of the Horcruxes so far? I'm a little rusty; only read HBP once...
-Riddle's diary (destroyed)
-the ring (destroyed)
-the locket (with RAB)
-Hufflepuff's goblet

What else?
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hmm ok there are two others, that are being talked about right now.

one of them is the great snake thats with voldemort, nagi i think her name is. ( i personally dont think that shes one, and thought DD suggested her as one he never put all his faith behind it)

another one that being tossed around is the tiara that mrs wesley gave fluer decor for her wedding with charlie. i think its great aunt margi's teria or something. again the item is supposed to be goblin-made, and people think that it once belonged to ravenclaw. again i dont really see it.

another wierd theory i heard was that the award cup for magical merit to the school the one that riddle won while he was at hogwarts, thats another one thats being tossed around.

why thank you for the praise, maybe mention the theory on IMBD i wanna see if someone can poke holes in it, or if it really is that good. everyone i told it to has told me that si brillent. one last thing in there that i forgot to mention about it, think of the conflict that would cause harry, inorder to kill voldemort, he would have to distroy that which he loved the most, his only true home.


hey another thought i just had what if it wasnt the love that harry's mom wasnt what killed voldemort that day at goldrics hollow. what if what actually happened was that voldemort killed james, then tried to turn harry into a horcrux, but something happened, and for some reasons voldemort caste the spell, and nothing happened or something happened that wasnt supposed to, which made him think that his spell backfired, then un frustration he figured he should kill harry and because harry was a horcrux the spell backfired. i.e. what if the maker of a horcrux cant distroy one, and thats why the spell backfired, and thats why harry survived.
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i always thought that it was either harry or neville (cuz he's also born the exact same day as harry, and his parents were great aurors (sp?). but shim that is a really REALLY good point you make about hogwarts.

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yeah we'll find out if i am right in a years time. hey are you chating with people on your other other acount right now cause i think this is the first time i have seen you post on here and not be on msn at night.
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Is it bad that I don't even read Harry Potter and yet have already heard the final 'Horocrux is Hogwarts' theory before?

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hahaha well that depends on whether you want to read the books or not. i didnt relaly give too much away though, like big plot twists and spoilers, jsut ideas to toss around. so i think you'll be ok

i bet you still have no idea what a horcrux is lol
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Yeah, it's one of those thingies that the Dark Lord Valdemort put parts of his soul into to keep himself from dying. Or at least that's the general jist of it.

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i dont know if any of you remember but in a previous discussion on this topic i stated my idea as a horcrux would be hogwarts itself, it fits all the criteria and it would never ever be suspected to be one. the only analogy the best place to hide something is in right out in the open, by making hogwarts a horcrux well its protected by DD the most powerfull wizard int he world. not only that who in there right mind would distroy hogwarts, or would want to distroy it, unless they knew that it was a horcux. a funny line comes to mind, you;d have to be insane to make hogwards a horcrux, well voldemort isnt insane. along with all this hogwarts fits other the criteria for a horcrux. - not only is it related to all 4 of the great founders, its the culmination of there efforts, what would be more symbolic of power( that which voldemort craves the most) along with fame, then put your soul into hogwarts, and for all intense purposes puting yourself on the same level as the four founders.
- hogwarts is something that voldemort loves, he love the castle more then anything, it was his only true home, thus says DD, and so it would just makes sense in someway that voldemort would want to mark his home with his soul.


Could you imagine the pain and sorrow Harry would feel if he had to destroy Hogwarts to kill Voldemort.

Also Hogwarts has been the only true home Harry has ever known just like Voldemort. Isn't it amazing how Voldemort and Harry's past and feelings mirror each other.


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i dont know about that, cause nothing of that sort happened to harry when he stabbed riddles book, i think DDs hand was burned by a defense mechanism that was attached to the ring itself.
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Voldemort would have had to commit murder on the grounds at Hogwarts in order to turn it into a Horcrux. My reading of the story suggests the soul has to be split and embedded into the object at the exact time of the murder. Have we had any suggestion that he killed somebody when he arrived?

My guess is that he wanted Gryffindor's sword.

Er... could we have a recap of the Horcruxes so far? I'm a little rusty; only read HBP once...
-Riddle's diary (destroyed)
-the ring (destroyed)
-the locket (with RAB)
-Hufflepuff's goblet

What were the other two? Dumbledore speculated Nagini, which I don't buy. Was there something of Ravenclaw's that was mentioned?
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I still hold that Harry himself (embodied by the scar) is the final Horcrux and that all signs point to him dying in the last book. JKR has dropped several out of book clues, including her recent statement that yet another major character will die in the laast book and the fact that in an older interview she stated that though she may write some more books set in the 'Harry Potter' universe in the future that she'll never write another book about Harry himself.

And actually this would be a fitting end to the series- Harry, who never truly feels complete and longs for his parents, would both be able to get his hearts desire (be reunited with his parents and Sirius on the 'other side') and also be able to save the world from the evil of Voldemort.
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Harry can't be a Horcrux. All the horcruxes have to be destroyed and then you still have to kill Voldemort because a part of his incomplete soul is still inside himself. If Harry dies he can't kill Voldemort and the final piece of Voldemort's soul which still resides in his body. The prophecy also says Harry has to kill voldemort, but if Harry is dead he can't.


P.S- Remember when Voldemort talks about killing Bertha Jorkins at the beginning Goblet of Fire? What if he made a horcrux then?


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Originally posted by: Marvolo
Harry can't be a Horcrux. All the horcruxes have to be destroyed and then you still have to kill Voldemort because a part of his incomplete soul is still inside himself. If Harry dies he can't kill Voldemort and the final piece of Voldemort's soul which still resides in his body. The prophecy also says Harry has to kill voldemort, but if Harry is dead he can't.


P.S- Remember when Voldemort talks about killing Bertha Jorkins at the beginning Goblet of Fire? What if he made a horcrux then?


He could die in the killing of Voldemort... ie they both die at the same time.

And if JKR wanted, the Easter Bunny could come in and save the day... it is a work of fiction with few set rules right?
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If Harry is a hocrux, Voldemort doesn't know or is really, really stupid, because he keeps trying to kill him.

“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”

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Originally posted by: Mike O
If Harry is a hocrux, Voldemort doesn't know or is really, really stupid, because he keeps trying to kill him.


Vader didn't know Luke was his son in 'Star Wars' at first and he sure tried to kill him a lot in *that* film. It happens. And it was probably an accidental creation when he tried to kill Harry.
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yeah i like my idea about harry once being a horcrux, but no longer being one. but alas yes no one was killed at hogwarts taht day voldemort got there, but the question is does the soul have to be placed in an object imediately, or can the magic be down and the soul stored for a short time. or here is another thought, can a soul be transfered from one object to another? so many questions.
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Originally posted by: Mike O
If Harry is a hocrux, Voldemort doesn't know or is really, really stupid, because he keeps trying to kill him.


Vader didn't know Luke was his son in 'Star Wars' at first and he sure tried to kill him a lot in *that* film. It happens. And it was probably an accidental creation when he tried to kill Harry.


Lucas also, despite his endless claims, probably didn't have the whole saga planned out (Nor does, apparently, as he keeps changing it. Make up your mind George). JKR seems to have done so, to a certain degree. We'll find out in a year or so, though.

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anyone have any ideas for who RAB is?
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The only one we know in the books at this point who's initials even come close is Regulas Black, Sirius's brother. In OOTP, there is "locket that no one could open" when they are cleaning. Other than that, I have no clue.

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yeah, i dont know somehow it just feels too easy for it to be him. it has t be someone we have met but wo we dont expect.
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It could be Godric's Hollow itself as it could be Harry. Voldemort was, in fact, trying to kill Harry when his mom jumped in front of them. So when she was killed, it is possible his soul was split then. We know Harry is going to start his search at Godric's Hollow.
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yeah thats true never thought about that.
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I tell ya guys and gals... Harry is toast.

JK Rowling, Stephen King, and John Irving were at Radio City Music Hall in New York City for a charity reading. While answering questions, it became clear that Irving and King wanted Harry Potter to survive the final book of the HARRY POTTER series. Rowling, however, was not willing to make any promises.

"My fingers are crossed for Harry," Irving said at the joint news conference.

King added, "I don't want him to go over the Reichenbach Falls," a reference to Arthur Conan Doyle's efforts to kill off the character of fictional detective Sherlock Holmes. [Sci Fi Wire]

Rowling refused to give any assurances, and would not comment on who would die in the upcoming book aside from the fact that two characters would.

"I feel quite liberated," Rowling said. "I can resolve the story now, and it's fun in a way it wasn't before, because finally I've reached my resolution, and I think some people will loathe it, and some people will love it, but that's how it should be. We're working toward the end I always planned, but a couple of characters I expected to survive have died, and one character got a reprieve."

Asked about how she felt now that the series was drawing to an end, Rowling replied, "On the one hand, I am going to feel sad. Harry's been an enormous part of my life and it's been a turbulent phase of my life and he was always the constant. So there will be a sense of bereavement, but there will also be a sense of liberation because there are pressures involved in writing something as popular. Wonderful though it's been, I think that there will also be a certain freedom in escaping that particular part of writing Harry Potter."


Stephen King wants Harry to live.
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no i think she is just hyping the book, i cant jsut see rowling now,

guy: are you gonna kill harry?
JKR: who knows your jsut gonna have to see. *hahhaha idiot i am jsut gonna lead him on and make millions*