Not to be confused with skyjedi's thoughts, which soon became a thread about how to ignore yourself: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/My-thoughts-on-the-State-of-O-T-dot-com/topic/11895/
I have to say that this site (or you, the people of this site) are disappointing me as of late. This place used to have more positive energy, and now it seems more complainy/whiney than anything else. I know it's a site whose main feature is/was a petition, so maybe that's where the whineyness comes from... but it seems it wasn't so bad a couple years ago.
It might be that the memory cheats, but I think people were more positive here while the prequels were coming out and we hated them. People discussed more how they could be better and discussed positive aspects of the OT and even parts of the EU without just taking a dump on the whole franchise. Or an "I love it, but the thing I love is gone, so I hate all of it" kinda thing.
The other trend, I think, is that the older members are starting to disappear and the members replacing them are of a younger age (I'd be looking at you, bkev, if you weren't ignoring me!) and with that younger age seems to come a lot less identifying with my "Star Wars Generation". Kids that say the prequels are great because they loved them as kids- therefore they're just as good as the OT which those of my generation loved as kids. It's the sad sign that as time goes on, there WILL be LESS separation of OT and PT, just as we long feared there would be until one day soon there will cease to be any separation. If that is happening at originaltrilogy.com, then that just depresses me even more so.
I'm glad Adywan is here sharing his revisited work with us, because it seems sometimes it's the only positive thing really happening here anymore. Apologies to others with their own restoration or related projects, since I'm sure those are positive too... even if they don't receive the same amount of hype.
I used to like coming here to discuss Star Wars. Now it seems people just come here to mourn Star Wars.
At least Off Topic is silly. But while that is a nice diversion- it's far from the reason I've been coming to OT.com for all of these years.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
Or is it just me?
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
Maybe it all depends on what you expect out of the community. I've always enjoyed this place because it is a bashers sanctuary. The prequel and EU worshiping at other sites where I used to haunt just wasn't me. I wanted to talk about the original trilogy without the junk and clutter of the extra stuff. When more and more members are fans of the prequels, I feel like folks are encroaching in on my happy place.
I think it's obvious why I'm here...loose moderation.
However, I do discuss SW on occasion as well.
^Frink
I am unhappy that C3PX left us.
Yep. He was the glue that held our band of misfits together. Or something like that.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
You may notice many of the frequent postees are busy on projects so the number of posts has dropped off a bit.
I would love to post more but I don't tend to have much time on my hands any more.
hey, Xhonz, I stopped ignoring you a few days ago. :p
and why'd 3PX leave?
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
*shame* Oops. Hey, there, bkev... um... about my first post... *blush*
Just kidding. Don't think that I don't not mean the opposite of this: but you're one of the good young'uns. You can hang here anytime, and I mean that. I mean it, insofar as I understand it.
C3PX is taking a little break. I haven't heard from him outside of OT.com for a week or two either, so that might be a sign he's never coming back.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
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xhonzi said:
It might be that the memory cheats... People discussed more how they could be better and discussed positive aspects of the OT and even parts of the EU without just taking a dump on the whole franchise.
I don't think memory cheats. However, I do think that most people will only fight a losing battle for so long. People dump on the franchise as a whole much more now because it's become an almost comical mess. What we came here for isn't going to happen, at least not for many more years.
Myself - I jumped ship long ago. My connection to "The Franchise" is peripheral, at most. I don't even watch the one film I like anymore. The radio version - free of Lucas' input - is my go-to now. Although, truthfully, even that is now being challenged. I find my personal canon to be Brian Daley's Han Solo Adventures. Other than two characters from the NPR Star Wars, they're a completely separate entity from "The Franchise". They feel right to me.
I don't fight the good fight anymore because I don't care anymore. I found something I like much more. Something deeper, more coherent, more vast, more "far away". No more Sith, Force, Jedi, Vader, The Dark Side, etc, etc, etc. I got worn out on it to the point of turning on it. Because I was never really married to it the way some fans are, it didn't take nearly as much for me to cut it loose.
I'm still here because it's an interesting and intelligent gathering place to discuss what I do still like (Daley's work). It's also a way to keep up with Kaminski's Saving Star Wars site, which is something I support. I link to it and reference it on other boards because at the very least, I want people to know the truth about Lucas.
Perhaps your disappointment with this site and the members is really just your coming to the realization that you've reached a turning point - a true, personal disappointment with what Lucas has done, and continues to do, to ruin and contaminate the franchise. Just a thought.
So you like the three Brian Daley Han Solo books better than the OOT?
Anchorhead said:
I find my personal canon to be Brian Daley's Han Solo Adventures. Other than two characters from the NPR Star Wars, they're a completely separate entity from "The Franchise". They feel right to me.
Anch, I know you're a SW77 man all the way, but I'm curious if you've ever checked out the "Lando Calrissian Adventures?" I've read one, "Flamewinds of Osseon" and thought it was a hoot and a half, very much in vein with the "Han Solo Adventures."
Anchorhead said:
xhonzi said:
It might be that the memory cheats... People discussed more how they could be better and discussed positive aspects of the OT and even parts of the EU without just taking a dump on the whole franchise.
Perhaps your disappointment with this site and the members is really just your coming to the realization that you've reached a turning point - a true, personal disappointment with what Lucas has done, and continues to do, to ruin and contaminate the franchise. Just a thought.
It's possible, but I'm not sure. A couple years back, I was very down on Star Wars myself and stopped coming here. I really disliked the PT and it sort of hung like a lodestone around the franchise to me. Then I somehow snipped the ties the PT and to some degree the SEs had to the OOT... and I fell back in love with it again. I started hanging out here more at that time... and life was good. It just seems in the year or so since I've been back here... this place has just changed to be a lot less positive- as I said in my first post.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
TheBoost said:
Anchorhead said:
I find my personal canon to be Brian Daley's Han Solo Adventures. Other than two characters from the NPR Star Wars, they're a completely separate entity from "The Franchise". They feel right to me.
Anch, I know you're a SW77 man all the way, but I'm curious if you've ever checked out the "Lando Calrissian Adventures?" I've read one, "Flamewinds of Osseon" and thought it was a hoot and a half, very much in vein with the "Han Solo Adventures."
Those weren't bad either. Although they were closer to your standard 70's/80's sci-fi novel that just happened to have a character named Lando Calrissian.
Warbler said:
I am unhappy that C3PX left us.
Warb, I hope you aren't taking his absence personally.
Warbler said:
So you like the three Brian Daley Han Solo books better than the OOT?
Yes. I just don't have any interest anymore in Lucas Star Wars. It's tired - very tired - because it never grew, nor was it expanded upon. To me, Lucas did just the opposite. He significantly shrunk the universe as a whole and even managed to take away from the original story. It all became very repetitive, tedious, and small.
Brian Daley's Han Solo Adventures and his NPR Star Wars are much more in line with what drew me to the original film in 1977 - mystery & adventure in the vast unknown of space.
TheBoost said:
Anch, I know you're a SW77 man all the way, but I'm curious if you've ever checked out the "Lando Calrissian Adventures?" I've read one, "Flamewinds of Osseon" and thought it was a hoot and a half, very much in vein with the "Han Solo Adventures."
I've only heard of them, but everything I've heard has been that same sentiment. I will almost certainly give them a read in the coming months.
Anchorhead said:
Warbler said:
So you like the three Brian Daley Han Solo books better than the OOT?
Yes. I just don't have any interest anymore in Lucas Star Wars. It's tired - very tired - because it never grew, nor was it expanded upon. To me, Lucas did just the opposite. He significantly shrunk the universe as a whole and even managed to take away from the original story. It all became very repetitive, tedious, and small.
Brian Daley's Han Solo Adventures and his NPR Star Wars are much more in line with what drew me to the original film in 1977 - mystery & adventure in the vast unknown of space.
I can understand not liking the SE and the PT and not considering them part of the Star Wars universe. But the OOT??? Well, to each their own. We've got different tastes and that's ok.
TV's Frink said:
Warbler said:
I am unhappy that C3PX left us.
Warb, I hope you aren't taking his absence personally.
do you mean am I blaming myself? trying not to. Then again, I've PMed him and emailed him and neither have been returned. But I have no idea what I could have said that would upset him, I rather doubt he left because of me. I know he had fights with you and others. I'm not trying to blame anyone, I just wish it wouldn't have happened.
^It's mostly me and "others like me" I think. We traded a few PM's and that may have been the final straw. But hopefully he'll come back.
Warbler said:
I can understand not liking the SE and the PT and not considering them part of the Star Wars universe. But the OOT???
It's not a matter of me not considering the OOT part of the Star Wars Universe. It is, by the way - very much so. It's which stories, or in this case, what part of the Star Wars Universe that I'm interested in.
I'm not interested in anything Lucas wrote\filmed\revised. I like Daley's NPR Star Wars better than the movie. It's a much deeper story. I like The Han Solo Adventures even more because they aren't weighed down with all of Lucas' personal baggage and bullshit.
I have no more interest in The Force, The Dark Side, Clones, The Jedi Masters, The Empire, etc, etc. In 1977, they helped color of the story. With Lucas at the helm of the remaining films, particularly the last four, those things became the story - so much so that in the last two I saw (Return & Phantom), they took the place of story. Even newer EU seems to be all about Force\Jedi\Clone.
I'm tired of that over-explained, small sphere of story. It's like a catchy pop song - fine the first few weeks, but after hearing it four times a day for weeks, it becomes noise. For me, Lucas' Star Wars Universe is noise.
He just might have other stuff going in his "real life" that is taking up time. It happens to me frequently.
^very possible. but we left on poor terms, i think.
I'm more curious about vfp. dude's been gone for months now.