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Should we (the OT community) start a new petition aimed at Disney to release the Holy Trilogy? Thoughts?

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I think the biggest problem is this: it's really only the die-hard fans like ourselves who really notice or care about the changes over and over in the films. I doubt there is enough money to be made in releasing the Holy Trilogy to warrant the work involved, and of course it's all going to come down to money.

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Except that it may draw unwelcome attention to the site.  Maybe better to fly under the radar?

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bspaunhorst said:

Except that it may draw unwelcome attention to the site.  Maybe better to fly under the radar?

 

Very true. maybe if the petition were to come from a site (maybe a new one) not at all affiliated with OT.com. That way, if/when it falls on deaf ears, the many, many projects here will still have a safe place to live.

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Niphoet said:

bspaunhorst said:

Except that it may draw unwelcome attention to the site.  Maybe better to fly under the radar?

 

Very true. maybe if the petition were to come from a site (maybe a new one) not at all affiliated with OT.com. That way, if/when it falls on deaf ears, the many, many projects here will still have a safe place to live.

Alternative idea: Instead of a petition, let's write up a template "Letter of Request" for individuals to mail on their own. It may seem more "real" if Disney/LFL were to receive signatures in ink from a pen.

Edit: Furthermore, we can even arrange several specific dates for everyone to coordinate mailing Disney/LFL at once. That might get their attention!

Edit 2: Also, notice that this would be inherently unaffiliated with this website.

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FYI, Fox is still distributing I-VI, so shouldn't they get a copy too?

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TServo2049 said:

FYI, Fox is still distributing I-VI, so shouldn't they get a copy too?

Of course. I don't know why I omitted them.

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This might not be a factor, but I want to mention it just in case. We may want to wait for the dust to settle, so to speak, before making a new petition. The acquisition is getting loads of press, and we should ensure that the press that OT gets isn't bad press. Also, the petition could be much better acknowledged if there aren't so many other Star Wars related pieces of news at once. Obviously though, whether or not we wait, we should not wait too long!

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Unless your numbers are massive, nobody listens to keyboard commandos.

Make some signs and parade in front of Disney headquarters.

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If you are going to launch a new campaign, I would suggest taking the next six months to create and coordinate it.  By then, the dust will have settled, and we'll have some better idea of what Disney plans to do with the franchise.  Hopefully by then, as well, any restructuring will be complete, and we'll know exactly who to contact.  There's too much uncertanty of where everything stands at this point, and far too much conjecture and news running rampant to risk having a new campaign get lost in it all.

There is still a hardcore fan base for the preservation of the OOT, but I think there is a segment of fandom that's just stopping caring.  They've put so much effort into these petitions and campaigns to little pay-off.  If a new campaign is to be developed, it has to be a damn good one that will energize those fans who are just sick and tired of the same old LucasFilm bull.  It might have new owners, but people need to be rallied for any of this to be successful.

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Way start a new petition, way not just updated the old one? and not have it so bland so people will read what the petition is about. and add Disney's name to it. and keep searching it on Google so people. will find it in an instead. Now I'm not bashing your Idea, just saying my idea.  

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pat man said:

Way start a new petition, way not just updated the old one? and not have it so bland so people will read what the petition is about. and add Disney's name to it. and keep searching it on Google so people. will find it in an instead. Now I'm not bashing your Idea, just saying my idea.  

Quoted for truth.

 

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Why start a new petition? Why not just update the old one, and make it generic so people will read what the petition is about, and add Disney's name to it? People that are searching for it on Google will find it instantly. Now I'm not bashing your Idea, I'm just saying my idea is better.

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My 2 cents:

I am an artist myself (musician) who would not appreciate fans telling me what I can and cannot do with my own songs (even if they have a perfectly valid cultural point, mind you). I read the online petition and I find a glaring problem with it that nobody seems to have addressed (or maybe they did but I can't search the forums for it): the fact that you get more flies with honey than with a stick.

The tone of the petition to George Lucas (i.e., "you have the responsibility...") can only elicit the response "Excuse me?" It really undermines any chance of convincing any serious artist from changing his or her mind about something they themselves hold near and dear to their heart. (Again, I know because I can totally identify with George's defensiveness for his creations). Why not something more like this:

"Mr. Lucas, we acknowledge that these are your creations - and yours alone, and that anyone who doesn't acknowledge this is sadly mistaken. Please understand that many of us grew up watching the original versions for 2 decades, which has burned these images and sounds into our psyche, making them a part of us. Think of your own favorite movie growing up and imagine them no longer being available in their original glory. This is why many have been so disappointed. This is not about the changes made to the original movies, and people's anger will incorrectly make this about the changes. Newer fans will naturally adopt the movies in the format they first see them in, but the number of people who have grown up with the original versions - flaws and all - plead only for the chance to have them preserved as they remember them growing up - not in place of - but in addition to - the current iterations of the films..."

etc, etc...

Yes, I said plead because if I ever saw him in person my first and possibly only reaction would be "Thank you George!!! Thank you for Star Wars!!!". Not "How could you!" I think we need a little more perspective, and I hope not to have offended anyone here with my viewpoint (though if I did, I don't care. It's my honest and heartfelt conviction that George changed my life for the better with those movies, even if I don't like that he stopped making them available).

Star Wars OOT fan to the end,

Joe Tunon

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joetunon said:

Mr. Lucas, we acknowledge that these are your creations - and yours alone, and that anyone who doesn't acknowledge this is sadly mistaken.

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Star Wars might have been Lucas' original idea, but it wasn't his creation.

Hundreds (thousands?) of people contributed to the creation of Star Wars, including some who put more time and effort (and therefore had a bigger impact) into it than George Lucas himself.

Very few people create an entire film in isolation. George Lucas certainly didn't.

The idea Star Wars belonged solely to George Lucas–or that any movie belongs solely to its director–discredits and devalues the innumerable contributions made by all the people involved.

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joetunon said:

I am an artist myself (musician) who would not appreciate fans telling me what I can and cannot do with my own songs (even if they have a perfectly valid cultural point, mind you). I read the online petition and I find a glaring problem with it that nobody seems to have addressed (or maybe they did but I can't search the forums for it): the fact that you get more flies with honey than with a stick.

Did thousands of other musicians work together to make your songs for you?

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Good points. The original films were many other people's "babies" as well, not just George Lucas's, but in the end, they got paid for their work, and George has the rights. 

More importantly, my main point is still that the petition takes a tone that I believe undermines its goal. If we make a new one, we should ask, not demand. I'm aware that a more pleading petition may not gain as much attention as a more dramatic demanding one, but given George's defensiveness, which approach is more likely to elicit a positive response?

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joetunon said:

More importantly, my main point is still that the petition takes a tone that I believe undermines its goal.

I agree with this 100%. It needs better (more polite, etc.) wording, definitely.

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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Thanks, AntcuFaalb. I LOVE that Avatar, btw! LOL!!!

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joetunon said:

Thanks, AntcuFaalb. I LOVE that Avatar, btw! LOL!!!

Thanks!

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I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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Dear All,

I have signed the old petition and so far nothing has changed.

I would like to sign the new petition if it exists and help promote it across the internet to gain more support.

Please let me know if any centralized petition exists.

I believe there are thousands of people who want to see the Holy Trilogy again and if we all cooperate we can make it happen.

Sadness is... spending your life as the only Star Wars fan in the Galaxy to discover that in a Galaxy next door everyone's been crazy about Star Wars for for the past 36 years...

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