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If the O-OT ever came out, the future of SW is with the PT fans.

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Lets just say for a minute that Lucas decides to put out the O-OT on DVD next year, and everyone (mostly) on this website and most older fans will finally have what they have wanted for the last 8 years. For me personally, that will finally be closure of Star Wars for me, I wouldn't care about another release, or the 6 box set, the ultra editions, the super duper editions, it would mark the end of my support for Star Wars. I finally have what I want, and that is it.

Will the PT fans, who love those movies now, support it 10 years from now when Lucas does the 35th or 40th anniversary release like we did. Will the 3 prequel movies hold up, where those fans still love them like we did the original 3 films to this day?

This is not to belittle the PT fans, but 'I have a bad feeling' that the PT won't pass the test of time like the OT, and they may not be as loyal as we were for the past 28 years. Now of course there are fans of the PT that will always love Star Wars, and always love all 6, and that will be a substantial base, but will it be able to carry a re-release 10 years from now to record numbers like the 97 SE did?

I just feel that many, not all PT fans enjoy the effects of the new movies, and in 10 years, those effects will feel like something of the past, and many fans will move on to something more cutting edge. Now as I said, there are some who love the story, and I feel they will stay with the saga forever, just like us.

Just wondering.....
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When you listen to the complaints of many PT fans regarding the OT, you hear one thing consistently surface...the special effects. They complain because the PT looks so "good" and the "crappy" special effects in movies made 30 years ago aren't consistent with this new batch of Star Wars movies.

That should tell you where their priorities lie and how well the PT is going to hold up with these "fans" in the coming years.

Also, I hear all the time how the OT really isn't any better than the PT; it's just our nostalgia that makes it seem better. This is a load of BS. How anyone can look at the OT and not see them as legitimately better films than the PT is beyond me. Are they high art? No. But they're certainly good films (especially ESB).

I don't think the PT has any hope of capturing and maintaining the awe inspired by the OT over the long term. No way.
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Other than this site and the stuff that goes on here and obtaining some of it, and seeing if the O.O.T would ever be released, I have no real interest in the rest of Star Wars and the future of Star Wars,I am happy to if it was to be released I would keep touch with Star Wars from here but carry much more with my other film interests.


They are welcome to the future of Star Wars from what I see on other places some P.T fans already think S.W belongs to them already and are the future and present and the people who love the O.O.T or just the O.T their views are not welcome in S.W, considered old and the past of Star Wars and some not considered "True Fans" for questioning old George and not liking the Prequels and his S.Es, so they can have it. and then argue among themselves one day......

In the future and I think some will dissapear from Star Wars and go to next "in" thing, in the future because the novelty will wear off and probably not support everything he releases, I am sure it has happened with the O.T but I feel with the quality issues a younger persons view of the prequels might change when that person grows up,

I also dont think The Prequels will/would stand the test of time as a separate entity, although because it "linked" to the originals it wont dissapear probably ,even if one day it is considered as one big story to most one day I am sure there will still be haters and people questioning its quality etc compared to the Original Trilogy and on its own it will never reach the legendry status of the Classic Trilogy.
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Getting the OOT would be the final, complete end for me. I would grab about 3 or 4 copies of it. Open one and preserve the rest. Then I will put it on my shelf and forget about anything that was Star Wars from 1997 on. It's over, it ain't what it used to be and I wouldn't spend any money on it ever again.

I was a loyal fan since the age of 4 and I feel cheated, let down and burned. The prequels sucking...I can live with. But altering the original films and not making them available is where I draw the line. That's denying me a piece of my youth and I will not tolerate that.

As for the PT standing the test of time......it won't. Those kids who watched it first run will grow up and see those movies for the pieces of shit that they are. The OT retained its awe and greatness long after the original craze faded out. I watched the OT as I grew up and was consistently blown away by just how great these films are.

Star Wars is a sinking ship...has been since 97. I stayed with it though until I saw ROTS.....keeping the faith that Lucas would pull through for the one episode that mattered and he fucked it up big time. I jumped ship now. The only thing I'm interested in when the OOT gets released (if it ever is anyway). When that happens, I'll get it and never look back again.
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To be honest, I too will stop paying attention to the future of Star Wars if the originals are ever released. In my opinion, there should be no future of Star Wars! The movies are done! The only future it should have is the memories of the fans and repeat viewings of the movies. The TV shows and whatever future changes just don't interest me in the least.

But with people like us gone, I suppose the only "active" fans will be the PT fans, and if Star Wars has to be continued to be milked, I don't want those kinds of fans up in the front lines with no opposition. Heh, I almost feel it's my moral obligation to continue balking until the end of time.

You know, in terms of nearly everything else in my life, I feel very young, but in terms of Star Wars, I feel very old because that's the group of fandom I'm lumped into. We're the cranky old crumudgeons who can't see the need for progress and flashy effects, and it's time we were put out to pasture. Bleh...

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Yeah Lucas needs to just end it.

You see, in Hollywood....there's a saying.....If something works, run it into the ground.
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I don't want those kinds of fans up in the front lines with no opposition.


I didn't know there was a war going on, and that movie fans were fighting in it. What's the goal of this war? What beachhead are we trying to secure with these front lines? What's the 4-F test these "kinds of fans" need to pass before they can have a helmet and a rifle?



Yeah, it'll be supported 35 to 40 years from now. it's Star Wars. Granted, this site isn't exactly the most fair and balanced when it comes to an overarching view of all six movies (nor should it be, there are other boards for that, I guess) but this sorta smacks of messageboard tunnelvision. I don't think CO is belitting any PT fans, though, but he's pretty well understimating the impact the PT has had on kids that were just like us when we first saw the Originals.

There's really no difference between "Fans Like Us" and "Fans Like Them." They're just younger. And I'm pretty sure if you could go back in time and ask our younger selves what we liked so much about Star Wars, we're not going to answer "Oh, the Cambellian riffs and the mythological aspects and the glorious cinematography." We'd probably say "the lightsabers and the ships and the "pchooo pchooooo rrrrrnnnnnn" as we run around the room in circles with our arms as S-foils.
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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
I don't want those kinds of fans up in the front lines with no opposition.


I didn't know there was a war going on, and that movie fans were fighting in it. What's the goal of this war? What beachhead are we trying to secure with these front lines? What's the 4-F test these "kinds of fans" need to pass before they can have a helmet and a rifle?



Haha, thanks Bizzle. Most of that was meant to be satirical anyway. Or at least exaggerated. But there is a rift. The majority of fans do recognize the rift between "us" and "them" whoever the us or the them may be. And I actually find the prequels to be admittedly entertaining. But it seems like most posters in this thread, myself included, are in agreement to give up on all things Star Wars beyond getting the OOT. Therefore, the legacy of Star Wars will be carried on the back of the "them" who support the changes and the ongoing continuation of all things Star Wars. And like you said, I don't think Star Wars fandom is going to die out simply because of the prequels. There is no evidence to show that it's just going to die out because a lot of us here think the prequels are inferior. We're just, most likely, going to stick around here complaining and not really be an active voice anymore.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I find it interesting that Ebert and Roper, in addition to giving ROTS two thumbs up, called it the best SW film since ESB. And given the fact that these two expert movie critics have seen and reviewed all of the films as they were released, this really shows omething. And Ebert is the guy who hated AOTC and is strict in what he gives a thumbs up to. See their audio review below:

http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/050523.html
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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
And I'm pretty sure if you could go back in time and ask our younger selves what we liked so much about Star Wars, we're not going to answer "Oh, the Cambellian riffs and the mythological aspects and the glorious cinematography." We'd probably say "the lightsabers and the ships and the "pchooo pchooooo rrrrrnnnnnn" as we run around the room in circles with our arms as S-foils.


Ask those same kids why they still like the prequels 30 years from now--if they even do. It won't have anything to do with the involving storyline, gorgeous cinematography, or sophisticated mythology.

The LOTR trilogy is this generation's Star Wars, not the prequels.
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The LOTR trilogy has just as much of an "overuse" of CG, and perhaps more, than the PT. People seem to like the LOTR trilogy so much becuase it is new, and they have nothing to judge against it.
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It won't have anything to do with the involving storyline, gorgeous cinematography, or sophisticated mythology.


Why so sure? It's not like the Original Trilogy's was all that expertly pulled off. I fully admit that my affection for this version of a classic myth comes from the fact I grew up with it. Would I have gave it as much time as I had, if not for the flashy candy coating on the outside? Maybe not. But you "always remember your first" and I look back on my introduction to this myth kindly. I think kids today will do the same.

But these kids aren't even really going to separate it into Original and Prequel. It'll just all be Star Wars. An 8 year old today isn't going to be all "OT vs PT" or whatever. It's just all going to be Star Wars to them. You have a point with Lord of the Rings, but then again, Lord of the Rings, much like Titanic before it, seems to have been very much of its time, and out of that time--it drops out of mind. All this King Kong hype, and how many people you know re-watching Lord of the Rings right now? I love those movies, I find them better than ALL of Star Wars, OT AND PT, due to their emotional depth and storytelling skill, but I haven't felt the need to throw one in the dvd player for about a year now. That sense of FUN just isn't there, and that's what keeps kids coming back to Star Wars. It takes itself seriously, but not TOO seriously.

What's fun is, once again, to look at these comments at the end of the PT, and compare them to older fans comments in 83. People then didn't think Star Wars would perservere with the younger people at the end of the whole shebang, either. And here we are.
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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
Oh, I get you Gaffer. I just imagined a bunch of us with ill-fitting stormtrooper helmets on storming the curb in front of Graumann's


I'm sure we wouldn't be the first to do that! ^_~

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
The LOTR trilogy has just as much of an "overuse" of CG, and perhaps more, than the PT. People seem to like the LOTR trilogy so much becuase it is new, and they have nothing to judge against it.

LOTR provides a brilliant mix of old and new with exquisite models and judicious use of CGI when models can't get the job done.

People like LOTR because it's good.


Originally posted by: The Bizzle
It won't have anything to do with the involving storyline, gorgeous cinematography, or sophisticated mythology.

Why so sure? It's not like the Original Trilogy's was all that expertly pulled off.


Never said it was expertly pulled off, but the job that was done on the OT is noticeably superior to that of the PT.

Lord of the Rings, much like Titanic before it, seems to have been very much of its time, and out of that time--it drops out of mind. All this King Kong hype, and how many people you know re-watching Lord of the Rings right now? I love those movies, I find them better than ALL of Star Wars, OT AND PT, due to their emotional depth and storytelling skill, but I haven't felt the need to throw one in the dvd player for about a year now.


I congratulate you on your good taste We share the same opinion of LOTR. I don't get to watch many movies these days, but when I was watching movies frequently, I found time to watch the entire LOTR trilogy back-to-back several times within the previous year.

What's fun is, once again, to look at these comments at the end of the PT, and compare them to older fans comments in 83. People then didn't think Star Wars would perservere with the younger people at the end of the whole shebang, either. And here we are.


Those older fans were disappointed--and rightly so--with ROTJ. What they didn't recognize then was that ANH and ESB were good enough that most fans find the shortcomings of ROTJ forgivable. The prequels don't have that kind of anchor. None of them is particularly good, and I think the young fans of today will grow up and realize there isn't all that much to the prequels.
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I'll admit that TPM, AOTC, and ROTJ have their flaws which prevent them from being "perfect." But, IMHO, as I have said before, the Star Wars films have had only three masterpieces: ROTS, ANH, and ESB.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
The LOTR trilogy has just as much of an "overuse" of CG, and perhaps more, than the PT. People seem to like the LOTR trilogy so much becuase it is new, and they have nothing to judge against it.


But the difference is that the CG in LOTR was a lot more believable than in the PT. When watching the PT, I felt like I was watching a cartoon.

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I had no problem with the CG in either of the two series. Besides, Lucas and his team are the masters of CG. Of all people, he and his team can do it best.
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What makes them the "masters" of CG? The 97 ANH Jabba looked like a rejected cutscene from a bad PS2 game, for Chrissake!

Yeah, sure, he founded ILM, but (as someone previously said on this site, I forget who) ILM stands for Industrial Light and Magic, not Industrial CGI Light and CGI Magic.

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Masters of CG, as in they are the leaders in the industry.
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Still, what makes them the leading in the industry?

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They were the first to have achieved many of the techiniques of CG. They have lead the industry in achievements in CG.
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I've always looked at the Star Wars films as I do most other films, with a critical eye. ROTJ is a collossal failure, and if I hear one more person that sings the praises of that silly Ewok song and then chides a fan of the PT, I'm going to poke them in the eye with my thumb. Empire Strikes Back is one of the Top 7 All-Time Cinematic Acheivements, storytelling, acting, score, special effects and pacing. Even it has a flaw: Mark "IliketouserunonsentencesortheywilldieifIdon't" Hammill. What good faith, what cross genre gaps Lucas had achieved with ESB to bring in fans, he kills the momentum, the tone he set in ESB by sticking us in the desert for the first 45 minutes in a drawn out rescue scene, and then pummells us to death with overtly 'cute' Empire killers. The story of Luke Skywalker (and Anakin) for that matter takes a MAJOR backseat. You can't do that, especially when you've got 1 final film to tie it up. You brought it to the forefront, you drew the viewers in, don't reduce it to a subplot.

Even the original Star Wars is flawed. The intro of the characters is too drawn out. The jumping off point should be atleast 15 minutes earlier. Spending 7 or 8 minutes with the droids walking around the desert seems more like filler than good exposition.

The PT will face criticism as the viewers get older, sans 1 film. Revenge of the Sith is truly a great film. Say what you want about Lucas, his overuse of CGI(as some call it) or his cardboard acting, he shows the magic, the storytelling and the direction that had him at one time considered one of the best young directors of his time. Fans of the Star Wars series will, I feel, look at ROTS in the same vein as they do ANH and ESB. The more Lucas tweaks ROTJ, the more it will have a place with the 'new' Star Wars fans.

As far as LOTR, it sets the bar when it comes to adaptation. When it comes to film making, eh. The films are bloated, and it's almost ridiculous to think that other than fanboys, ANYONE is going to sit down and watch the films on a regular basis. They are great stories, don't get me wrong, but they also created probably the worst trend in Hollywood right now...the anti-climactic rolling endings. Keep throwing out various endings, various climax throughout the film and people will eat it up, I guess.

If the Star Wars universe is left to the PT fans, so be it. Worse things could happen of course. They will come to appreciate the films probably more than we have. They will see it as one giant arching storyline, watching characters like Boba Fett, Obi Wan, Anakin, Luke, Han and Leia grow up as the universe seems to swirl around them. They will pick the films up at the starting point, and will grow attached to each character in the traditional linear sense. As the grand tragedy of Anakin Skywalker unfolds, it will ring more true. When Luke is forced to fight his father, to them it will seem more conflicted rather than Luke coming off as weak.

The affinity of some towards characters like Jar-Jar will wane, and they will see it as over the top. Hopefully Lucas does fix this somewhat in subsequent releases. However, the PT fans will certainly be there in 35 years, I have no doubt in my mind. Just look at the popularity of the Clone Wars cartoons, not only with children, but with young to middle aged adults. It isn't because of nostalgia. It's a connection to these characters, similar to those people on here had towards Luke and Han, some of you Wicket (but I won't judge).

The feeling of 'emptyness' that is left now that there is no Star Wars film in the foreseable future is certainly disheartening to me, in particular. For all my life there have been rumors, and movements towards a Star Wars film 'coming'. For the last, what...7 years...I've been spoiled with the idea that there is still another piece to fill in the puzzle, another adventure in this series. How is Lucas going to tie it all up, what new characters, locales, weapons, spaceships and twists is he going to give us. Now? Time to grow up, I guess.
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Thankfuly (IMO), for the future, we still have the two new TV series (possibly more) to look forward to. Not to mention a massive supply, and constant flow of EU to keep the adventure alive. You put into words my exact feelings on the quality of the films, that ROTS, ANH, and ESB are the true classics, while TPM, AOTC, and ROTJ will always be flawed.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Thankfuly (IMO), for the future, we still have the two new TV series (possibly more) to look forward to. Not to mention a massive supply, and constant flow of EU to keep the adventure alive. You put into words my exact feelings on the quality of the films, that ROTS, ANH, and ESB are the true classics, while TPM, AOTC, and ROTJ will always be flawed.




How can Sith be a true classic after being around for less than year, I think it is a good/very good film,surely if it stands the test of time like Star Wars Empire and maybe Jedi, the way some talk(not neccesiry here)its flawless but Sith has flaws to me , that not to say I dont like it, but you cant compare it to Star Wars and Empire as classic because it hasnt been around long.....