Movies with wrong color grading *** UPDATED *** — Page 4

Interesting comparison!  The BD's colors look far better to me.

Ailen needs the D-theatre in the mix 

How about some full screen caps for the d-theater vs BD?

screen shot comparison.com

I have always been on the side of the D-theater, think I have a rip somewhere 

Is there a high bitrate D-theater version out there?

Alien's got a very saturated color palette, I think, much unlike either the BD or the D-Theater, which has the color palette of the 2003 Director's Cut reissue.

If you look on the original Halloween II BD, at the Terror in the Aisles documentary, there are clips from Alien which look very, very colorful. As the documentary was only made a few years after the original release of Alien and appears to use footage from a timed 35mm print, it could be an accuate color source. The most accurate release, to these clips, is the 1999 DVD. My two cents.

DoomBot said:

Is there a high bitrate D-theater version out there?

There is 

EDIT just looked and it looks like the ENG version has vanished but there is an ITA version 

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I'm not really sure what to make of the Superman movies. Some things do look better in the new colour grading, but I still think the whole teal look has been pushed a bit too far. Superman 2 theatrical blu-ray looks a bit too contrasty compared to the previous DVD. Is the laserdisc supposed to be similar to the DVD? If so, I would say that might be closer to the original look, but it still looks a bit pink to me.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

dvdmike said:

DoomBot said:

Is there a high bitrate D-theater version out there?

There is 

 

EDIT just looked and it looks like the ENG version has vanished but there is an ITA version

Yep, it's the one I have... video is untouched, it has just the english soundtrack removed, replaced with italian soundtrack instead.

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Some comparisons on youtube

Jurassic Park:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8nBo4yJUxA

Superman II:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tctD3gLesmo

Evil Dead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeaLiJVvy1c

The Ten Commandments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8g32OZjKgE

Night of the Living Dead (1990):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6MZnqPnTxU

Does the audio track we have (4.0) sync?

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

dvdmike said:

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

dvdmike said:

DoomBot said:

Is there a high bitrate D-theater version out there?

There is 

 

EDIT just looked and it looks like the ENG version has vanished but there is an ITA version

Yep, it's the one I have... video is untouched, it has just the english soundtrack removed, replaced with italian soundtrack instead.

Does the audio track we have (4.0) sync?

Which audio track in particular are you referring to? I'd like to use the D-Theater video for a preservation project, so I'll search for any interesting soundtracks to add to it.

The LD 4.0 mix 

We have it already it was in a thread of late I forget which and it had its own thread, thinking about it the DVHS is the DC so no way it syncs 

Just to clarify the audio mixes, the original theatrical version of Alien had a pattern that somewhat reflects that of Star Wars - a 6-track 70mm mix for initial engagements, and a more refined Dolby Stereo track for the 35mm prints (I've also read claims that it was screened in mono, but since I can't find any evidence that it was ever mixed that way I presume it was just a case of the stereo track playing in mono-equipped screens).

The 70mm track has only ever been released on home video once - on the 1995 THX laserdisc (the possibility that it might have been included on the Blu-ray as a 4.1 track was under heavy discussion, but in fact its split surrounds would have necessitated a 5.1 encode so that was never going to be the case). We've been able to listen to this track via PCM captures for a while, but Andrea has finally captured the 5.1 AC-3 (and it does indeed sound magnificent).

The Dolby Stereo is much better known, and it's this that is present on the Blu-ray as a discrete 4.1 upmix (actually Fox have a welcome tendency to do this - see also Predator - but sadly they always opt for a lossy Dolby Digital encode). The preferred source for this mix is an earlier generation laserdisc (since aside from lossy compression the track has also had some 'improvements' made since 1999). I favour the 1992 collector's edition but there are others.

When the director's cut was put together in 2003 it was given a theatrical release, so the studio took the time to do a proper remix. The DC had a DTS mix in theatres and subsequent home video releases (DVD, D-Theater and Blu-ray) have more-or-less preserved it, though access to the theatrical mix is very welcome for a reconstruction project.

Jonno said:

The preferred source for this mix is an earlier generation laserdisc (since aside from lossy compression the track has also had some 'improvements' made since 1999). I favour the 1992 collector's edition but there are others.

And I think I can help with that. I have this LD:

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/10590/1090-80/Alien-(1979)

which I believe is the first laserdisc to have the soundtrack in digital PCM

and Dolby Stereo. So it would be closest to the original source.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

taken from "The Matrix" thread, I took the liberty of quoting it here as it's more appropriate:

Flexicon9 said:

Hi Andrea... thanks for your efforts on The Matrix.  It looks like your doing a fine job and I would like to second Stamper's request for Mad Max 2 (The Road Warrior) as well, but I wanted to bring one last thing to your attention because it is just coming to light with a new release.  The film I speak of is the 1978 original Halloween from director John Carpenter.  I don't know if you've read any feedback regarding the new 35th anniversary Blu-ray disc that is already shipping but is officially being release next week.  Anyway, years ago cinematographer Dean Cundey approved a THX transfer of the film for the Limited Edition DVD 2-disc set.  It had color-timing supervised by Adam Adams and featured beautiful amber and blue hues that put new life into the film as we know it.  It was somewhat revisionist, but based on what the original intentions might have been with better technology at the time.  That THX DVD transfer has been celebrated by fans since its release in 1999.  In 2007, the first Blu-ray disc for Halloween 1978 was released to mixed reviews.  The clarity and detail were praised, but the colors were way different than the '99 THX DVD.  The strong blue cast of the night-time shots were washed away to a starry white and the amber/orange warmth of Autumn were nowhere to be found.  Not as much anyway.  Amber became more green and the glow lost its luster.  The creepy blue night vanished and it just wasn't the moody horror film we knew from the THX DVD version in '99.  I know you have projects piled up, but please consider one day taking a look at the process of creating a high definition version of Halloween with the THX '99 DVD colors restored.  That would be a miracle.  From what I've read, the new 35th anniversary Blu-ray has washed away even more color than the 2007 Blu-ray release.  Based on what you did with Carpenter's "The Thing" I know you're the man to see about this.  Thanks for thinkin' about it though.

First of all thank you! It's good receive positive feedbacks on one of my projects!

Well, I think it will be better to *actually* watch the new BD version before deciding if it should be regraded or not... what if it has the right color grading? We are all happy, and I have one less project to make! (^^,) Actually, any John Carpenter movie that should be color regraded gain my attention, and "The Thing" is only the first, watch out!

During the last days of testing with "The Matrix", I managed to improve a bit my color matching script, and, following the hints from some members, about the fact that "The Thing [spoRv]" has dull colors in some instances, I re-checked and re-compared the LD and the spoRved version, and I agree with them. I mean, the version I made is [proud mode on] very good [proud mode off], especially in comparison with the BD, but still not as close to LD as I wanted... with the new script, and some adjustment, it seems that I could release a version 2.0 that will be [poser mode on] perfect [poser mode off].

We talking about waiting on the Halloween  35th? Pictures look pretty darn good, better then the old blu-ray.

New..    http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screenshot.php?movieid=54082&position=2

Old...     http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screenshot.php?movieid=54082&position=35

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Halloween-Blu-ray/54082/#Screenshots

Does anyone have screen shot comparisons of this?

Guys, take a look at the colour grading and the framing of the 35mm version of JURASSIC PARK, below-

http://imgur.com/a/wtWIB

You'll notice that the matted widescreen shots are taller than 1.85:1, very close to 1.78:1 (something like 1.75:1 perhaps). 

Also, the colour appears to be very similar to the 3D BD version( the latter is not as gorgeous as the 35mm version), which means Spielberg and Sherak did look into the original colour while remastering JP into 3D!

dvdmike said:

I have always been on the side of the D-theater, think I have a rip somewhere 

I have only an AVCHD of the D-Vhs but it's awesome to watch.  I would have loved a larger sized one for bluray but haven't been able to connect with one yet.  It is my go-to version of the Alien Director's Cut.

I also have the Halloween done by Cudney and the DiviMax release, both are Anchor Bay. 

:) 

mike, it IS the DC on D-VHS .....

dvdmike said:

We have it already it was in a thread of late I forget which and it had its own thread, thinking about it the DVHS is the DC so no way it syncs