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too bad all of the shot footage, deleted scenes have not surfaced because I for one would like to see an edit of the films closer to the tolkien books, in fact they should be re-edited or resequenced to fit his entended story not jackson’s.

This christian symbolism of the books was absent as well, tolkien was a devout catholic.

I only hope the christian themes for narnia are not weeded out by the people in hollywood, that was the whole reason lewis wrote the books to begin with.

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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
too bad all of the shot footage, deleted scenes have not surfaced because I for one would like to see an edit of the films closer to the tolkien books, in fact they should be re-edited or resequenced to fit his entended story not jackson's.



No Scourging of the Shire = Forget it!

By the way, I saw Return of the King for the first/last time this past weekend, and what the heck was with the end and death of Golem?

Did Jackson ever go the movies? Did he not know that SAME ending was used in both Teminator II and Alien 3? Golem could still have met his death faling into the pit (like in the book), but why do they always have to get so stupid and copy bad computer visuals that have been done to death? Golem surviving for like 20 seconds after he makes contact with the Lava is just going way over the top.

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Maybe because he had the sauron's ring, it gave him some extra hot-bubbling-lava resistance... ?
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Cool - when you win your Oscar you can tell him to his face. j/k
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Never rely on hollywood to stay faithfull to any historical fact or fiction when they make a film. I didn't bother with LOTR after the 1st film, I have no doubt they will change TLTWATW's story line to. The trick is to see the films then read the books, unforunately most of the generations alive today had to do the opposite so we're always going to be disappointed.
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There will be another super-duper extended edition and or a chronologically edited version, but Jackson is holding out for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray before doing these.

It really wouldn't surprise me if Jackson had filmed everything just so he could do this later release.

Personally, I can't fucking wait.
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Yeah. And while we're at it, what's up with The Prince of Egypt? They didn't sing in the Bible. How dare Hollywood change a pre-existing work for artistic purposes? Even if it doesn't ruin the theme or mood of the original work ... purists unite!
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Originally posted by: Boomstick
There will be another super-duper extended edition and or a chronologically edited version, but Jackson is holding out for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray before doing these.

It really wouldn't surprise me if Jackson had filmed everything just so he could do this later release.


He'll probably get Lucas to help him "finish" his films with badly placed CGI characters. Hey, it worked for the SE.
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Originally posted by: Number20
Originally posted by: Boomstick
There will be another super-duper extended edition and or a chronologically edited version, but Jackson is holding out for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray before doing these.

It really wouldn't surprise me if Jackson had filmed everything just so he could do this later release.


He'll probably get Lucas to help him "finish" his films with badly placed CGI characters. Hey, it worked for the SE.


Lucas should get help FROM Jackson's people. Not the other way around. Golem looked so much better then Jar Jar Binks or Yoda.

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There was already a fan edit done that brought the films closer to the tone of the books. They were on the newsgroups about two weeks ago. Didn't bother with them as I love the Jackson films and books on completely different levels. I guess some people just have a really hard time seeing the difference between the two. As my grandad used to say, you can't please some people with a golden d**k. He was a church goer.

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quote "There was already a fan edit done that brought the films closer to the tone of the books" friggin sweet man, I hope someday someone who has these can p.m. me, I want a copy.

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So, I got these LOTR Entulesse Edits from a great friend and I'm not sure who made them or where they came from but I just started to watch them tonight but if anyone has anymore info on them I'd love to get it!!

I also have to add that I've only seen the movie once in the theater but I was kinda disappointed with the choices made so I have no way of compairing the two really except the few scenes that made me go WTF?? So, I may not be the best judge...

THANKS for the Edits G!!!!


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Surprisingly enough, I rewatched all the extended versions of these movies this week. The first two times I watched them I thought they were great. This time, however, all I could think while sitting there was, that Peter Jackson and his wife are really shitty screenwriters. Take, for example, the missing scourging of the shire. Apparently this wasn't in the movie because Jackson didn't like it in the book. So apparently, he thinks he could write a better ending than Tolkien. If they ever film The Hobbit they should really let someone else do the script.

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Peter Jackson said in a documentary on the return of the king extended edition that it was not important how quick gollum died once he hit the lava. He said the look on gollum's face was important, and the look on his face of someone who had just been betrayed by something he trusted. He thought the ring was his precious but in reality it did not give a crapt about him, and in that moment he realized that. Hope that clears that up. The scourging of the shire on film would have been anti-climatic. Think about it, you are already exhausted from thecurrent length of the film and the many endings and you see aragon crowned and your heading back to the shire. But when you get there its hell on earth. The audience would have been thinking "when the hell does this end". The movie was long enough I mean come on 4 hrs. 10 min. is way to long.


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Originally posted by: BrikHaus81
Surprisingly enough, I rewatched all the extended versions of these movies this week. The first two times I watched them I thought they were great. This time, however, all I could think while sitting there was, that Peter Jackson and his wife are really shitty screenwriters. Take, for example, the missing scourging of the shire. Apparently this wasn't in the movie because Jackson didn't like it in the book. So apparently, he thinks he could write a better ending than Tolkien. If they ever film The Hobbit they should really let someone else do the script.
What are you talking about? They did an amazing job adapting the books (well, I personally didn't care for the liberties they took with TTT, but...). And they didn't try to "write a better ending than Tolkien." It's the same ending, they just omit the Scouring.

With all the people bitching about the how long the ending of ROTK is, they probably made the right choice.

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Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes
Originally posted by: BrikHaus81
Surprisingly enough, I rewatched all the extended versions of these movies this week. The first two times I watched them I thought they were great. This time, however, all I could think while sitting there was, that Peter Jackson and his wife are really shitty screenwriters. Take, for example, the missing scourging of the shire. Apparently this wasn't in the movie because Jackson didn't like it in the book. So apparently, he thinks he could write a better ending than Tolkien. If they ever film The Hobbit they should really let someone else do the script.
What are you talking about? They did an amazing job adapting the books (well, I personally didn't care for the liberties they took with TTT, but...). And they didn't try to "write a better ending than Tolkien." It's the same ending, they just omit the Scouring.

With all the people bitching about the how long the ending of ROTK is, they probably made the right choice.


I think they did an amazing job of adapting FOTR. After watching the commentary of TTT and ROTK and continually hearing "We decided to change this" (for TTT) and "Since we changed this in TTT we had to do this differently" (for ROTK), I got tired of it. I kept thinking "and if you hadn't have changed it here, you wouldn't have had to change it there". They nearly did the same thing in FOTR (if you listen to the commentary, they mention wanting to change a lot), but they decided not to because "it just worked better". Duh!

Aside from that, I agree about the people that bitched about the ending. I know someone who did exactly that. "End already!" is what he said about it. I was like "Did you read the book? It's exactly the same!"

I think on the commentary of ROTK they even mention that if they had released all 3 movies at once, they would have stayed much closer to the book since you'd be watching them all in one sitting. I certainly wouldn't have minded that given an intermission (which is what was done on Trilogy Tuesday).
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I know some people who hated how long the ending were because they were barely holding on to their bladders by then, LOL.

*** SPOILER ALERT for the LOTR musical ***

It's interesting to note that the Scouring of the Shire was in the stage musical in Toronto. Wormtongue was absent from this adaptation, so Saruman's henchman in this scene was Bill Ferney (who acted as his spy in Bree, like in the novel). I'm not sure how I feel about the inclusion of this scene -- I loved the fact that they had it, but looking at it objectively it might have been somewhat anti-climactic after all that had just happened (though I was upset at how weakly the destruction of the Ring was handled, such that there wasn't really much of a climax there either). You'd have to get an impartial viewer (i.e. someone who has never read the books nor seen the movies) to judge.

I'm also not sure how I feel about their decision to skip the seige of Gondor and battle at the Pellennor fields altogether and sort of merge that with the battle outside the Black Gate (and merge the Mouth of Sauron with the Witchking too; and yes, the Army of the Dead does fight at the Black Gate) -- if you've seen my abridged cut you'll know that I consider the battle at Helm's Deep far less important than the battle at Gondor, but it seems the playwrights felt the exact opposite. Oh well. Having Gandalf the White appear for the first time at Helm's Deep was an interesting decision that worked emotionally, but like lordjedi said, as with the movies, changes lead to other changes -- now that the three hunters have to arrive at Edoras without Gandalf, the catalyst for Theoden's awakening is -- guess what -- the shards of Narsil. Oh yeah -- Anduril wasn't forged until just before Aragorn goes to summon the Army of the Dead, like in the movies -- but since Aragorn had it with him all the while (how exactly does one fight while carrying the weight of a broken sword?!), how exactly does he get it forged? This is really puzzling -- if memory serves me rightly, after the victory at Helm's Deep (possibly after banishing Saruman), Gandalf presents the reforged blade to Aragorn, leaving me to wonder just when he had the time to reforge the sword.

The thing that really got on my nerves is this -- it's stated explicitly that when Gollum was held captive in Mordor, Sauron made him promise to find the Ring and give it to him (Sauron). He agrees to help Frodo because Frodo tells him that he will be free of his promise to Sauron if he helps Frodo. This is just wrong -- it changes his fixation on getting the Ring from actual addiction to the thing itself, to simply wanting to hold up his end of a bargain.

Shelob was simply stunning. The Khazad-Dum scene was a fantastic end to the first (of three) acts -- with the Balrog still hidden in shadow, smoke starts to fill not just the stage but the whole theater, and black confetti is blown into the audience, really drawing you into the scene. When the Balrog itself makes an appearance, to be honest, it's a little bit of a letdown (it looks basically like an enormous paper lantern), and Gandalf (or rather, the platform he's on) descends rather SLOWLY (soon FOLLOWED by the Balrog, who folds its wings and descends). I'm still puzzled over what the director intended by this -- if the intention was to have both Gandalf and the Balrog FALL, it was certainly far from convincing -- I'm more inclined to think that the scene represents the Balrog overcoming Gandalf before descending back into its fiery pit, though it's really unclear exactly what was supposed to have happened. The same with the destruction of the Ring -- Frodo and Gollum wrestle (Frodo doesn't put it on and disappear after claiming the Ring, or at least it wasn't depicted clearly), when Gollum manages to get the Ring, and (like in the book) jumps around shouting "My precious!", when he steps onto a platform that descends. Again, if he was supposed to be FALLING, it was the least convincing "fall" I've ever seen . . .

All in all, it's a very interesting take on LOTR and I recommend all fans to see it -- I know it got a lot of bad reviews, but I enjoyed it thorougly despite all its flaws, and I think that fans will be both its greatest supporters and detractors. It's a wonderful alternative visual interpretation to the movies (there were definitely elements that were influenced by the movies, but thankfully not too much).
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About the LOTR Entulesse Edits...

Without getting into full details of the edit (no point) I can say that the movies are spread over two-discs each with basic static menus, Dolby 5.1 and anamorphic video. As for my overall impression of the edits, they seem to be the work of a first time editor with some good ideas but the majority of the cuts seem to have been done using simple frame cutting. The effects of those edits make it seem like the disc was skipping full chapters at points and in the end I personally could not get past these rough edits and lack of proper a/v swipes (which left residual audio and video glitches) so I had to call it quits after the third disc. A good first attempt but it left a lot to be desired (and uncut) but I do look forward to other LOTR edits!

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Originally posted by: Lord Phillock
Hey, I made a trilogy book-edit...


And I do look forward to checking that out soon, though not right this moment. Meanwhile, Phillock, did you check out my abridged edit?
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Originally posted by: Lord Phillock
Hey, I made a trilogy book-edit...


That's the one I had in mind

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