I tend to watch the SE sometimes — Page 3

Nope 😛

Possessed said:

Nope 😛

And that’s why we have opinions.

Yes but unfortunately your opinion is wrong, as evidenced by the fact that you would watch the SE for any other reason than analysis.

I’m obviously just being silly, so don’t be offended. Or do, I don’t care.

Possessed said:

Yes but unfortunately your opinion is wrong, as evidenced by the fact that you would watch the SE for any other reason than analysis.

I’m obviously just being silly, so don’t be offended. Or do, I don’t care.

Silliness is an offense not taken lightly. 😉

TV’s Frink said:

You sometimes watch ANH SE but ROTJ SE is an abomination. Your opinion is once again duly noted.

Whoops. I forgot other opinions trigger you. Sorry.

Its just that the ROTJ alterations, while annoying and dumb aren’t nearly as damaging as the ANH ones to tone. In fact I like the SE ending. And while Jedi rocks is obviously terrible, at worst it really only made a part of the movie that was already pretty stupid a little more stupid.

Possessed said:

Its just that the ROTJ alterations, while annoying and dumb aren’t nearly as damaging as the ANH ones to tone. In fact I like the SE ending. And while Jedi rocks is obviously terrible, at worst it really only made a part of the movie that was already pretty stupid a little more stupid.

Yes.

Although Hayden-ghost is one of the worst things in the SE. But Han shooting first is also one of the worst things in the SE, if not the absolute worst. I’m not triggered by other opinions, I’m baffled at someone who either doesn’t understand this or doesn’t care.

Yes I should clarify I like the 97 se ending.

TV’s Frink said:

I’m baffled at someone who either doesn’t understand this or doesn’t care.

You do realise that what you listed as “the absolute worst” changes are your opinion, right? My “absolute worst” changes are different than yours, there’s no objective measurement of kinda bad vs really bad on this subject.
Han not shooting first is dumb and takes away from his character, but it’s not distracting for me to the point of it ruining the whole film.
ROTJ on the other hand has so much random crap thrown at the screen that I’m distracted for the first half of the film to the point where I can’t even enjoy myself.

Obviously Han not shooting first is that level of awfulness for you, and that’s completely fine, I’m just saying that in my opinion it isn’t.
Also I don’t know why you assumed I just sit around and watch the SE all the time; 95% of the time I watch the OOT, the BD is just there for when I’m doing something else like cleaning or doing housework and I’m not paying attention anyway.

Yes, if you enjoy watching a movie that ruins Han’s character, that’s cool for you.

I don’t think the Han/Greedo scene ruins Han’s character since it’s not like Han is waiting around for Greedo to shoot before he even considers shooting. Instead, Han shoots only a split second after Greedo, which shows that his self-preserving instincts are still intact from the original version.

That being said, it is still a very stupid scene because Han’s instincts were too slow and it’s ultimately luck that saves him (Greedo missing) rather than his aforementioned instincts. So it ends up being a stupid-looking change with an awkward head dodge (that wasn’t even necessary since Greedo’s shot was still wide) with no real impact on Han’s character other than learning that luck saves him more than his instincts.

For me though, the worst SE change is Vader’s “Noooooo!” in ROTJ. It completely ruins the film’s climax and injects unintentional humor into what was previously an emotional moment.

Ruins, nullifies, same difference.

The fact that vaders no ruins the climax of the trilogy is an interesting point I hadn’t considered before.

TV’s Frink said:

Yes, if you enjoy watching a movie that ruins Han’s character, that’s cool for you.

At least you’re not melodramatic.
I also question how that ruins his character, yet you apparently take no issue with how he’s handled in TFA. I’d argue ignoring an entire trilogy of character development is a bit more severe than him not shooting a gun first. But hey, maybe I’m crazy.

The fact that vaders no ruins the climax of the trilogy is an interesting point I hadn’t considered before.

I agree. All I can think is that Lucas thought maybe the audience didn’t understand that Vader was conflicted during the scene; that it wasn’t apparent enough through his body language.
But that makes no damn sense because the audience had been well aware of that for almost 30 years.
I guess it makes about as much sense as digital rocks that disappear in the next scene.

Ryan-SWI said:

I also question how that ruins his character, yet you apparently take no issue with how he’s handled in TFA. I’d argue ignoring an entire trilogy of character development

That makes no sense. I guess you haven’t actually seen ROTJ, or understand that TFA did not take place immediately thereafter.

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

I also question how that ruins his character, yet you apparently take no issue with how he’s handled in TFA. I’d argue ignoring an entire trilogy of character development

That makes no sense. I guess you haven’t actually seen ROTJ, or understand that TFA did not take place immediately thereafter.

The same argument could be used to defend the characters in the PT in regards to their OT counterparts; it’s a moot point.
Or is TFA not supposed to be a direct continuation? Oh, wait, no, silly me, I’m sure we’ll find out in expanded universe material why Han’s arc in IV - VI was butchered so horrifically. It’s not like TFA should stand on its own or anything, God forbid.
I don’t actually care that you like TFA but the insane double standards you have towards it is unreal. Apparently its huge flaws are perfectly okay because… Reasons? But in literally any other Star Wars material there are not allowed to be any of the exact same flaws. Ever.
It would almost be hilarious if it wasn’t so ridiculous.
One might think you’re blinded by nostalgia, but obviously that’s only something those dastardly PT fans are affected by, obviously.

I give up.

Thought so.

Clearly not for the reason you seem to think, however.

I assume he means that TFA ruined the arc that was established in the OT.

Because he wasn’t supposed to age or what?

Possessed said:

Because he wasn’t supposed to age or what?

I’m not Ryan, but I assume his argument is this;

“Throughout the course of the OT, we saw Han grow from a smuggler who cares about nobody but himself to a man fighting for a cause. In TFA they basically reset that, they make it so he’s a smuggler again, totally forgoing any character growth that we saw in the OT.”

I’ve heard that argument and it’s nonsense. People do not develop in a straight line. Anyone who has lost a child understands how it changes you and how it affects your other relationships. Slightly different situation here but Ben is effectively dead.

The whole piece is worth a read but this specific quote is what I’m talking about.

https://curiosityquills.com/column-posts/spoilerific-analysis-of-star-wars-the-force-awakens-part-5-han-solo-and-his-four-movie-arc/

This isn’t a reset to the beginning of Episode IV. This isn’t the character we left at the end of VI. This is the character 30 years later. He’s had more pain. More loss. His son turned against his best friend. His best friend abandoned the galaxy. He feels like his wife blames him (even though she doesn’t). This is a man who’s mostly broken and just doing what he’s good at, but he has dropped the pretense. This man is too old and too damaged to pretend that he doesn’t believe anymore. He does believe, and believing is a little worse because his son has fallen over those beliefs