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I Finally Changed My Mind

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I first came to this site a while ago. I was - as one member put it - like a boorish drunk gatecrashing a party, making lewd remarks at other peoples' girlfriends and throwing up in the pot plants (or something like that). Basically, I was very dimissive of the movement to get the original films released in their original format - which makes my registering on this site pretty stupid, really.

Anyway, that was a while ago and in the interim I've mellowed. I've considered the overall stance of this site and, in light of the recent news about a third trilogy, I returned in the hope that I wouldn't throw up in so many pot plants. Since coming back, I've softened even more to the idea of the OT being released in its original format. No, I don't feel my childhood has been raped, no I don't think George Lucas is the antichrist and yes, I love the prequels. But if folk want something, and it's not harming anyone, why not give it to them? For me, I think the original iteration of the OT has an archival appeal and I think it's very interesting to see how the films have been altered over the years. I even have a vague curiosity about the various fan edits of the prequels.

I don't want a medal for this. I don't want plaudits and I certainly don't want a slap on the back accompanied by a "Now you're one of us" (because I'm not; I'm simply one of me) but I see no shame in changing one's mind and there's nothing wrong with admitting it either. So, there we are. Sorry about the pot plants.

That's some bad hat, Harry
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Even at my most SE-loving period, I never understood why someone would want the oh-riginals to be suppressed. Apart from that, a lot of the technical info in the various threads around will pretty much spell out the technical superiority of the OUT vs. other editions.

The thing to remember is that the prequels will never match up with the original trilogy, continuity-wise. Trying to force them together is doomed to failure. So I just accept that they don't completely match up with each other and forget about it.

All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.

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I agree with you thecolorsblend. When one tries to force the trilogies together, it simply doesn't work.

Just the fact that they turned the Force from "religion" into science in the PT is enough for me to not relate the trilogies to each other.

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I agree.

One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.

Yoda: Try not, do or do not, there is no try.

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That in itself is one of the better strokes of genius in the PT.

The problem is that it's some pretty shitty science as it's still pretty much a mystery how on earth midichlorians effect the force.

The same thing could probably have been accomplished sticking to the energy field explanation, and be made to make more sense too.

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BmB said:

That in itself is one of the better strokes of genius in the PT.

Turning it into science?

Remember these lines from SW:

- Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fortr...
- I find your lack of faith disturbing.

How come that they called Vader a sorcerer and the Force an ancient religion, if it was already proved by science many years before? That's not a stroke of genius, that's a major continuity error which the PT added.

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You_Too said:

BmB said:

That in itself is one of the better strokes of genius in the PT.

Turning it into science?

Remember these lines from SW:

- Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fortr...
- I find your lack of faith disturbing.

How come that they called Vader a sorcerer and the Force an ancient religion, if it was already proved by science many years before? That's not a stroke of genius, that's a major continuity error which the PT added.

Oh?

"The Force is strong in my family. My father had it. I have it. And my sister has it."

Explain.

All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.

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thecolorsblend said:

Oh?

"The Force is strong in my family. My father had it. I have it. And my sister has it."

Explain.

You see, Darth Vader (aka Anakin Skywalker) had sex with Padme. About 90 minutes after he found out, she gave birth to a boy (Luke), and a girl (Leia).

Therefore, the 'force' (that was strong in Anakin) was passed down to his children.

Presumably, Luke and Leia's children will also inherit the 'force' to some degree.

 

Now I have a question: Why are we discussing the force/medi-chlorine in this threat?

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Davnes007 said:

thecolorsblend said:

Oh?

"The Force is strong in my family. My father had it. I have it. And my sister has it."

Explain.

You see, Darth Vader (aka Anakin Skywalker) had sex with Padme. About 90 minutes after he found out, she gave birth to a boy (Luke), and a girl (Leia).

Therefore, the 'force' (that was strong in Anakin) was passed down to his children.

Presumably, Luke and Leia's children will also inherit the 'force' to some degree.

Hm. So you're saying the concept of the Force being a hereditary/genetic trait was set up before TPM? Very interesting.

All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.

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thecolorsblend said:

Davnes007 said:

thecolorsblend said:

Oh?

"The Force is strong in my family. My father had it. I have it. And my sister has it."

Explain.

You see, Darth Vader (aka Anakin Skywalker) had sex with Padme. About 90 minutes after he found out, she gave birth to a boy (Luke), and a girl (Leia).

Therefore, the 'force' (that was strong in Anakin) was passed down to his children.

Presumably, Luke and Leia's children will also inherit the 'force' to some degree.

Hm. So you're saying the concept of the Force being a hereditary/genetic trait was set up before TPM? Very interesting.

.....Or was it set-up after? ;)

Everything was set-up by the OT - The PT fucked-up everything.

And I thought the first thing people would pick up on was the way I left the "Luke and Leia's children" part purposely vague, and open to interpretation.

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I always thought that line in A New Hope was there simply to illustrate the ignorance of the person saying it, nothing more.

That's some bad hat, Harry
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I've heard people referring to "the force runs strong in my family" as merely an early form of midi-chlorian that isn't explicit, but I never got that, since saying it runs in Luke's family doesn't preclude anyone else from having it. And if it was genetic, wouldn't you just make sure all the Jedis were out there doing as much fucking as possible? 

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Easterhay said:

Basically, I was very dimissive of the movement to get the original films released in their original format - which makes my registering on this site pretty stupid, really.

Can you tell me where the hell such dismissiveness for film preservation came from in the first place?! A view like that is so out there and so completely foreign to me that I feel that I need to ask.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Basically reading posts from people like you.

That's some bad hat, Harry
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Bully for you.

That's some bad hat, Harry
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Easterhay said:

Basically reading posts from people like you.

Oh, how sweet. I didn't know film preservation was seen as something controversial outside this forum. If you tell the others that this preservation thing isn't so dangerous it might become something big.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Easterhay said:

Basically reading posts from people like you.

I see you've not changed your mind after all.  Hilarious.

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Easterhay said:

Basically reading posts from people like you.

Wait, you read about film preservation and declare it silly based on....what?

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msycamore said:

Can you tell me where the hell such dismissiveness for film preservation came from in the first place?! A view like that is so out there and so completely foreign to me that I feel that I need to ask.
Since I had a similar attitude at one point, I'll answer too. Basically it came from ignorance. I hadn't watched the OUT in years and hadn't paid much attention to the fine details when I did. I figured the SE's were good enough. Better in some cases.

But I picked up the GOUT DVD's (a few days early too, wahooooo!!) and had my mind blown by how much wasn't changed for the '97 SE's. Sure, there were a lot of new CGI shots but there are still a lot of phenomenal wire/model shots. A lot of complex visual effects shots already existed and looked amazing too. For every shot that doesn't hold up after all these years, you can find at least two or three that still look flawless. Those movies ought to be preserved because of the cultural, social, commercial, corporate, cinematic and technological breakthroughs they heralded.

All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.