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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I agree. This show was awesome. It really put last week's show into perspective with Sylar drawing the future vision of Nathan Petrelli as President.


Problem--Linderman had a picture of Nathan as president even before Sylar killed Issac. It might still be Sylar in Linderman's painting, but it wasn't the one Sylar painted.

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I was under the impression that Sylar replaced Nathan after he became president. That would make all predictions true.

Sylar told claire that he met a special girl who allowed him to become president. I took this to mean Candice which would allow him to be Nathan - the president.

Also in Isaac's loft Sylar/Nathan said "...I know how things work!"

I had to watch the episode twice to take everything in. The clues are there if you know to look for them.

surely if Isaac had painted Sylar as Nathan in the whitehouse himself, it'd have looked more in line with what sylar painted.
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"Problem--Linderman had a picture of Nathan as president even before Sylar killed Issac."

Oops. I forgot what Sylar painted then.

[EDIT] Just checked it. I forgot he painted the second presidential picture. LOL.

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On a slightly related side-note, I'm thinking about pulling of the episodes off of the DVR and burning a small collection until the real thing is released. Has anyone stumbled across any cover art for this type of project?
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I would look on the NBC website. There's plenty there to make your own.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Hi my name is shimy... and i am addicted to heroes....


hehehe
nice guys finish last
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You got the wrong face. Shimy is the blue one.

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hehehe oops good one
nice guys finish last
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Sorry to come to this so late, but I just started watching these and they do REALLY rock. I started with episode 1 and I am on 5 now, I cannot believe how awesome this show is! I am in the majority because my favorite character is Hiro. I just got done with the episode where he stops the train and future Hiro encounters Peter in the Subway, when he said "My name is Hiro Nakamura, I'm from the future, I have a message for you." I had goose pimples on my neck, it was just one of those few television/movie moments that really sends my mind spinning in a good way. Anyways, sorry about coming on so late, I had to get that off of my chest and to prevent ruining it for myself, I haven't read too mny posts on this thread, I ought to be caught up with everybody by Friday, hopefully.
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LOL...you've got a long way to go.

And while I'm at it, is it just me, or did a few of the events from last night's episode seem a little....rushed. The suspense has really been building up nicely over several episodes, but there were a few "quickies" that the producers had to get in because it's the second to last episode (Petrelli - "Shoot me...no wait, I'm okay, Hiro being trained in a few hours).

Not a huge knock against the show, I just don't want the last episode to seem like ROTS, where everything important was held back until the very end, rather than all the events naturally dovetailing together at the end. It's a fine line to walk without letting too many secrets known, but they've done a fine job so far. (I still loved the "dead girlfriend" showing up in the previews, leading us to believe she had powers, only to find out it was someone else. That was a clever trick.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Eh, Luke was trained in a few hours too. Not 15 years like his whiney dad.
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I'd like to think that Hiro trained for a week or two by jumping back in time.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
I'd like to think that Hiro trained for a week or two by jumping back in time.


I hadn't thought of that. That's a reasonable possibility. Of course, he could've also stopped time for his training. We never see anyone else in that room with them, so anything's possible.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Eh, Luke was trained in a few hours too. Not 15 years like his whiney dad.


Huh? Considering that his training conicided with the Millenium Falcon flying from Hoth to Dagobah with a broken hyperdrive, I'd say it was weeks or months that Luke spent training.

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"Eh, Luke was trained in a few hours too."

LOL....you're one of those folks, eh? I'm with Chaltab.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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POSSIBLE SPOILERS

Hiro wasn't training to fight! He was training to detatch from his emotions so that when the time comes he will be mentally able to make the killing strike. He has no need for combat training - He can freeze time and space - as he often reminds us. He already had Sylar at his mercy once but he hesitated and lost focus. Had he been in that same encounter now I'm sure things would have played out very differently.

The only thing we know for sure is that Ted is not [any longer] the exploding man. Peter and Sylar both have the potential to destroy the city. I guess we'll know in 4 days [Approx].
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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
POSSIBLE SPOILERS

Hiro wasn't training to fight! He was training to detatch from his emotions so that when the time comes he will be mentally able to make the killing strike. He has no need for combat training - He can freeze time and space - as he often reminds us. He already had Sylar at his mercy once but he hesitated and lost focus. Had he been in that same encounter now I'm sure things would have played out very differently.

The only thing we know for sure is that Ted is not [any longer] the exploding man. Peter and Sylar both have the potential to destroy the city. I guess we'll know in 4 days [Approx].


We knew that, about Ted, two weeks ago. When Hiro went 5 years into the future, he saw Nathan as President and the city had been destroyed. At the end of the episode, Sylar said to Peter "They said I blew up the city, but we both know that's not the truth, don't we." Combine that with Isaac's paintings and Peter's vision of himself blowing up. The title of next weeks episode is SPOILER








How to stop an exploding man.





So the question isn't who will blow up, it's can the future be changed or are Isaac's paintings set in stone? If they are set in stone, then Sylar will die by Hiro's sword and Peter will blow up New York. What happens after that is anybodies guess. I'm almost willing to bet that they're able to stop Peter from blowing up, simply because there's no way they can all survive the blast if they're in the vicinity.
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We have to take anything we saw / learned in "five years gone" with a grain of salt. But one thing we did learn was that Future Hiro had altered the course of events and the city still blew up.

Peter may control / supress Ted's power if he can concentrate - There's no guarantee that anything will happen without the presence of Ted.
Peter has a backup plan - Claire is to shoot him to prevent him from blowing.
Sylar has now embraced the idea of blowing up the city - Standing on a rooftop with 'ted' hands "Boom!"
Nothing Isaac painted proves the identity of the exploding man. Keep that in mind.
Peter dreamed of flying - He also dreamed of talking with Charles - Who was comatose.

All i'm saying is that at this point we can't know for sure.

Isaac has been kind of spot on but some of his works are open to interpretation i guess. I'd have to say that nothing is set in stone and the future can be changed. Given that Hiro set in motion a series of events with "save the cheerleader, save the world". Also in 'Five years gone we stil have no real proof' - only what the characters sa and believe.
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Well, I am up to the 15th episode now and I find it is like crystal meth, this is addicting. I reiterate that I am not reading much of this thread until I catch up with everyone else so I am sorry if this as already been talked about or you all know more than I do. However, I watched the episode where Hiro tries to get the sword from the museum and he says that the sword was found by that ancient warrior in ice. Then I see painted picture of Hiro fighting a T-Rex. I put these together and it scares me about Hiro's future. I wonder if Hiro goes too far back in time and then battles the T-Rex and dies, his sword then is encased in time by ice and later found by the warrior. Like I said, maybe you all know what happens, but right now my mind is running with possibilities.
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"He has no need for combat training - He can freeze time and space - as he often reminds us."

In case you forgot, Sylar was not affected by freezing time.

At the end of the episode, Sylar said to Peter "They said I blew up the city, but we both know that's not the truth, don't we." Combine that with Isaac's paintings and Peter's vision of himself blowing up....So the question isn't who will blow up, it's can the future be changed or are Isaac's paintings set in stone? If they are set in stone, then Sylar will die by Hiro's sword and Peter will blow up New York."


True, but the "future" may be changed now that "Hiro" has gone back in time with his prior knowledge. I remind you that he had the comic book at the beginning of the series, and yet knew nothing about killing a man. Surely, he (like any one of us) would have looked at the end of the comic book as soon as we got it, to see what would happen next. "Future" Hiro came from a time where the cheerleader was killed, and Sylar got the healing power, making him almost impossible to kill. THAT timeline no longer exists. Based on that reasoning, the artist's painting of New York exploding came from the second timeline. I'm guessing that after "current" Hiro came back, more things will change from what they might have been. I wouldn't necessarily confuse Peter's dreams with the paintings of the future. They could simply be his worst fears, rather than actual premonitions, and the painting shows someone blowing up, but we really don't see who it is. It could be that Sylar ends up blowing up, or no one blows up as well.

IIRC (I'll have to go back and watch to double-check), I seem to recall that there was a painting showing the cheerleader on the steps with "Sylar" looking down on her, but when it came to that point in time, it was Peter in that actual position. I swear I remember pointing this out to my wife.

The future can be changed. Even Isaac told Sylar they will stop him. I doubt he was referring to the "future" that Hiro just came back from. Otherwise, why not just let things run their course?

"We have to take anything we saw / learned in "five years gone" with a grain of salt. But one thing we did learn was that Future Hiro had altered the course of events and the city still blew up."


But then he changed it again by sending current Hiro back with more knowledge. As long as Hiro survives, he can keep going back until they get it right.

And I'm also wondering when we will see the dinosaur (dragon?) as well...

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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In case you forgot, Sylar was not affected by freezing time.


He was - Time resumed before Sylar grabbed the sword. Notice that his mother had been frozen in place as she fell. Time resumed as hiro swung the sword and she continued to fall to the floor.


IIRC (I'll have to go back and watch to double-check), I seem to recall that there was a painting showing the cheerleader on the steps with "Sylar" looking down on her, but when it came to that point in time, it was Peter in that actual position. I swear I remember pointing this out to my wife.


There were 2 separate paintings. 1 of peter lying dead or dying in front of the clock - this was the initially missing panel. the other was a cheerleader [thought to be claire] lying dead with sylar standing over her - it was the painting that peter finished via tapping into isaac's ability.

Is this what you meant or something else?


The future can be changed. Even Isaac told Sylar they will stop him. I doubt he was referring to the "future" that Hiro just came back from. Otherwise, why not just let things run their course?


Yes but i think Isaac's plan did involve Hiro traveling to the future [that future] and back again, for some reason. He told sylar he was going to 'show them how to kill you' - Given that he wasn't going to survive the encounter he had to have already planned something out - ie: the comic book pages or the sketchbook.

Also, we could say that the events in texas circa 'homecoming' played out as isaac had foreseen - even tho that's not how the visions / paintings were interpreted.

Peter died - they didn't know Claire would / could resurrect him
The dead cheerleader is jackie - not claire. We cant know if at any point this was to be claire.
Hiro and Ando were there - just not at the same time.

Let's all go re-watch and reconvene.
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He was - Time resumed before Sylar grabbed the sword. Notice that his mother had been frozen in place as she fell. Time resumed as hiro swung the sword and she continued to fall to the floor.

I'll have to watch that again. I thought Sylar moved his eyes before Hiro swung. Did Hiro stop "stopping" time, or did Sylar somehow become immune. Interesting question.

There were 2 separate paintings. 1 of peter lying dead or dying in front of the clock - this was the initially missing panel.

Which, again, while coming true, wasn't all it was meant to be.

"the other was a cheerleader [thought to be claire] lying dead with sylar standing over her"

No, it was claire on the steps with a shadow looming over her. This is where Peter ran into her and confronted Sylar.

"Yes but i think Isaac's plan did involve Hiro traveling to the future [that future] and back again, for some reason. He told sylar he was going to 'show them how to kill you' - Given that he wasn't going to survive the encounter he had to have already planned something out - ie: the comic book pages or the sketchbook.


Perhaps. I guess it really all depends on whether Sylar survives in the last episode or not. Didn't Hiro say something about it not being time to kill Sylar yet? I don't recall if they mentioned a timeframe or not. Technically speaking, if all Hiro does is stab Sylar, then Sylar should be able to heal (unless the sword is left in him. Maybe the broken end breaks off again inside him, leading everyone to believe he's dead?

Peter died - they didn't know Claire would / could resurrect him
The dead cheerleader is jackie - not claire. We cant know if at any point this was to be claire.
Hiro and Ando were there - just not at the same time.


It appears we're on the same track here, but I don't get the reference on the last one. I'll go back and look for the scene I was talking about as well.

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

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<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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I'll have to watch that again. I thought Sylar moved his eyes before Hiro swung. Did Hiro stop "stopping" time, or did Sylar somehow become immune. Interesting question.


It seems to me that Sylar leeched some of Hiro's power and was able to move in frozen time.

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That's the impression I got as well. I just don't know how he did it.

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

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<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Here's a general question: Is there a difference between Sylar's and Peter's powers? I'm not talking about powers they absorb from contact with others, but the way it is done. Does Sylar have to kill to take others powers?