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Hayden Christensen wins Razzie for ROTS

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Finally the boy get the recognition he deserves!

Hayden Christensen was chosen as worst supporting actor for "Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith."

"Darth Vader portrayed as a Backstreet Boy gone bad just doesn't cut it as a villain," Wilson said. "Though it was fun to see his arms and legs cut off."


http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20060305/114156630000.html
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I thought he was decent in ROTS. Lucas should've won it instead - ultimately, it comes down to what he wants the actors to do. I guess the man has no working emotional register!
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I got sympathy for him, I dont think he deserved it, and thought he did a fair job in Sith overall and if anyone should take the blame it should be GL.
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Though I 100% agree that the ultimate 'blame' was on Lucas I didn't hear anyone, say, defend Halle Berry for 'Catwoman' saying the director was to blame. In the cosmic scheme of things I'm sure Hayden realizes he has to take his lumps for the PT films he was in. Whether he chooses to grow beyond it... well, that's any actor's choice. After all, it *was* just a job.
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Of course, it's the kind of job you can easily get typecast in.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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How many roles are there for a twisted quadruple amputee?

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
How many roles are there for a twisted quadruple amputee?


Well actually.....



I had always intended to write a sequel to the Home Alone films... in mine, titled 'Home Alone #: Lost in the Desert', the family would be driving across Death Valley on their way to Vegas. The parents would do the stereotypical cartoon thing of pretending like they want to take a picture of the kid and telling him to keep 'getting a little further back' until he was so far away they could get in their car and speed away.

The next 1 1/2 hours of the film would be the kid walking, crawling, etc across the desert in the blistering sun fending off various snakes, scorpions and cactus that, to his hallucination riddled brain, would look like amusing but inept thieves!

Now is that comedy or what????
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Hayden is a sympton of the usual prequel defense, he was better than he was in the last movie. In 2002, AOTC wasn't a great movie, but it was better than TPM. In 2005, ROTS wasn't the next ESB or ANH classic like we expected, but it was better than the first two installments.

Whether Hayden deserved the award or not, I don't know, but to me he was a bad Darth Vader, and Lucas deserves just as much blame for hiring him and shaping him that way.

Instead of getting someone talented, Lucas went after 'looks' instead of acting ability, cause I have noticed that many teenage girls who are SW fans think he is perfect for Darth Vader, and that is the same audience that loved DiCaprio in Titanic, because of his looks too.

The role of Darth Vader had to be perfect for this trilogy, he is the focal point, and Lucas went 0 for 2 with me on his picks. By sacrificing TPM on a 10 year old Anakin, we waited 16 years for a mediocre Jake Lloyd, and it went downhill from the minute he was on screen. Now it is true, it is hard to find a talented young actor, but if Lucas was going to start with Anakin at 10 instead of 20, he better damn well make sure the kid is good. And there are good child actors, Dakota Fanning is very talented, I wish they would have cut her hair, and give her shoulder pads, and she could have done a better job than Jake Lloyd.

Hayden to me is a very average actor. If you watch him in the TV show Higher Ground ( I believe that is what it is called?) that was on right before he was cast as Anakin, he does that same whiny voice, and was almost the same character as this troubled young boy. Sure Lucas direction was bad, but McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, and McGregor don't get lambasted for their acting, because despite the shitty dialogue, and zero direction from Lucas, they are seasoned actors and they overcame it.

Hayden has no range, and couldn't pull off any dramatic scenes in AOTC & ROTS. The turn scene he is truly awful in ROTS, his whole facial expressions are just not believable. Every scene with Palpatine in ROTS, McDiarmid makes him look like a lightweight actor, as Hayden get owned in every scene. There is not one dramatic scene he pulls off in two movies, that really give me goosebumps, and there are a good 5-6 which should have been homeruns with drama. When his mom died, I almost gag & practically laugh at that scene when I watch it, then I watch Luke's expressions when Owen & Beru are burning and wonder if this the same movie saga?

I always thought Lucas should have had Anakin in his mid 20's from the start, and that way he could cast an actor alittle more seasoned. Someone like an Eric Bana from Munich and The Hulk. Hayden & Jake Lloyd were the keys to this trilogy, and they were both overmatched for what they needed to accomplish, I also blame Robin Gurland who is the casting director who you see in all the PT documentaries, another crap talent Lucas hired for the PT.

Lets see who is great from the PT: Kenobi, The Emperor, and Yoda, and John Williams Music, hmmmmm.... that sounds like all retreads from the OT.
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Another great post, CO, but I have to say that the PT Yoda wasn't one of the great points at all. In fact, he can get more annoying than Hayden a lot of the time.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Hayden Christensen winning a Razzie... some how it's just not surprising or even funny. I wish I could laugh and cackle "Serves him right!" but I just can't find the vehemency within myself to do so.
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Though I 100% agree that the ultimate 'blame' was on Lucas I didn't hear anyone, say, defend Halle Berry for 'Catwoman' saying the director was to blame. In the cosmic scheme of things I'm sure Hayden realizes he has to take his lumps for the PT films he was in. Whether he chooses to grow beyond it... well, that's any actor's choice. After all, it *was* just a job.


The thing with Catwoman was, that the whole thing was a conceptual, directorial, and acting disaster.

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Originally posted by: theredbaron

The thing with Catwoman was, that the whole thing was a conceptual, directorial, and acting disaster.


And I honestly... really truely honestly... feel the same way about the PT. The exact same way.
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Originally posted by: theredbaron

The thing with Catwoman was, that the whole thing was a conceptual, directorial, and acting disaster.


And I honestly... really truely honestly... feel the same way about the PT. The exact same way.


Same here.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
How many roles are there for a twisted quadruple amputee?

The Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail
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An interesting thing: on the offical forums of Razzies website, there is a poll to know if HC really worthed that Razzie Award, and it's just here...

The results for now are "NO - He was at least okay (and besides, he’s CUTE!)".
Okay, there are not a lot of votes for now but...
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i may be a die hard hayden fan (and yeah it probably all started with his fabulous good looks) but i can admit that he did a pretty weak job in attack of the clones. i was disappointed. but it was lucas who write the stupid sappy lines. so i think if it's anyone to blame, it is both of them, lucas for hiring pretty-boy hayden, and hayden for just not fitting the part, nor acting well in it. but i mean it all comes down to the director... so even if hayden was doing a better job, if it wasn't up to georgie's standards, CUT and redo the scene...

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Hayden is not a top actor and never will be, but he can do a good job. I blame GL. He should get this award.
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Yeah I thought HC sucked too and a lot of the Padme conflict and turn scenes were ruined because he just didn't pull it off. As much as I loved ROTS (AOTC was the worst of the series) GL's writing was pretty bad.

At the same time though I think even Deniro would have a problem with playing the verse's worst villain as a young adult. All the while he is supposed to be this totally non-emotional, uber-jedi with all the baggage of being the "chosen one". Yet the audience already knows what he turns out to be so he has to show some conflict with his emotions even though he is not supposed to have any.

In any case, I think it would be a hell of a hard character to pull off.
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"The Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail "

Now that would have made a good duel.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Harrison Ford had the sack to say "You can type this shit but you can't say it" to Lucas. Ford time and again fixed bad Lucas writing in ANH and ESB.

Any good actor who showed up to collaborate would have brought more to the character than what Lucas created. Liam Neeson and Ian McDiramid were the only ones who completely showed up for their jobs. Ewan improved over time, but still never improvised. That was apparent. Hayden and Natalie both phoned in their performances. Period.
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Originally posted by: theredbaron

The thing with Catwoman was, that the whole thing was a conceptual, directorial, and acting disaster.


And I honestly... really truely honestly... feel the same way about the PT. The exact same way.


Okay, alright, I do sort of agree with you, but I honestly think that Catwoman was a lot worse.

Conceptually, the material that Lucas had to work with was very good - the problem is that he didn't handle it properly, nor did he seem to understand it. Directing-wise, my theory is that he simply didn't do it at all. And as far as acting goes - I think it's kind of poxy that actors seem to need a good director to act well - it's their freakin' job for the sake of Sam! It's like saying a rock band needs a good producer to record an awesome album - which may be sadly true in some circles - but there's no way you can tell me that Led Zeppelin needed any help to be as great as they were.

There is a point to what I'm saying, somewhere...oh yeah, if an actor acts poorly in one movie and well in another, and we put the difference in performance down to the director, isn't that still saying something about the inconsistency of the ability of the performer?
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ITA, redbaron. That's exactly how I feel about the prequels.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Philip Seymour Hoffman's winning the Best Actor award can be attributed to the director.

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That's not what we are saying at all. If you've seen anything else that Hayden has been in, and compare that performance to AOTC and ROTS, there's a BIG difference. The fact that this can be said about any of the big actors in the PT says LOADS about the direction - not to mention what is known about Lucas' infamous (fabuloso?) directing method of "Faster, more intense" method.

Everyone (except for Jar-Jar) acts like they are in a bottle. The only ones who are still able to provide any depth to their characters despite this are McDiarmid and Neeson.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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'Tis very true. I think part of what made Bob Hoskins' performance so amazing in Who Framed Roger Rabbit was the fact that Robert Zemeckis is a very skilled director who provides clear instruction to his actors.

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