Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI Despecialized Edition HD - V3.1 — Page 150

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

While I share opposition to DNR, we need to remember why it’s a problem… because it kills detail. The DNR’d and regrained O-neg has more detail than the non-DNR’d print.

True, in terms of detail this is one of the best options out there. I just prefer the dirtier, grittier look of the 4K77-83 projects.

There’s definitely a place for both though, having more options is never a bad thing when it comes to Star Wars.

Mac-Bain said:

SnooPac said:

I think the initial confusion is that you mean rotj 2.5* (not 2.7) is still listed.

And I think that’s a valid question (which might have a good answer/justification):
Why is rotj 2.5 still listed when rotj 3.1 is released (and presumably supercedes it)?

Exactly my point. I wonder if it’s because ROTJ 2.5 is made like all the others DEED (by adding different sources together), whereas 3.0 and 3.1 are from a 1983 source, and demand a different set of skills.

No, ROTJ 2.5 also used 1983 film scans mixed with the Blu-rays. 3.x uses 1983 films scans mixed with the UHDs. It’s the same general process, just with better-quality sources in 4K. I suspect 2.5 wasn’t removed when 3.0 came out because 3.0 had a major error, and 2.5 was the fallback. Then by the time 3.1 came out, failing to remove it was an oversight.

CatBus said:

Mac-Bain said:

SnooPac said:

I think the initial confusion is that you mean rotj 2.5* (not 2.7) is still listed.

And I think that’s a valid question (which might have a good answer/justification):
Why is rotj 2.5 still listed when rotj 3.1 is released (and presumably supercedes it)?

Exactly my point. I wonder if it’s because ROTJ 2.5 is made like all the others DEED (by adding different sources together), whereas 3.0 and 3.1 are from a 1983 source, and demand a different set of skills.

No, ROTJ 2.5 also used 1983 film scans mixed with the Blu-rays. 3.x uses 1983 films scans mixed with the UHDs. It’s the same general process, just with better-quality sources in 4K. I suspect 2.5 wasn’t removed when 3.0 came out because 3.0 had a major error, and 2.5 was the fallback. Then by the time 3.1 came out, failing to remove it was an oversight.

This is mostly correct. Ready access to ROTJ v2.5 was maintained due to the errors in ROTJ v3.0. Those issues are resolved by ROTJ v3.1.

Currently, I’ve still kept ROTJ v2.5 listed for two reasons:

1. It’s included in the “bundle” torrent with SW v2.7 and ESB v2.0 (though it can be selectively not downloaded with a torrent client); and
2. ROTJ v3.1 is currently only provided in MKV format while ROTJ v2.5 is also available in AVCHD (BD) or NTSC DVD5 formats.

I’ll probably remove ROTJ v2.5 from my guides if v3.1 becomes readily available in additional formats (like other DEED releases) or after enough time passes. Thanks all for the feedback!

michaelsft said:

CatBus said:

Verified, I burned this to a BD-50 and played it back in a hardware player. It’s glorious.

Also, burning discs beyond BD-50 capacity is probably asking for trouble. Stick to BD-50 and avoid worries.

Hi CatBus, quick question, how did you manage to burn this without re-encoding it? Did you just use small audio files and avoid the DTS tracks? 46.57GB is (as far as I can tell) the limit for burning an iso and I can get a bunch of files that under this limit but when I use tsmuxer or any other authoring software to create an iso it adds like 3GB extra onto the file size. What authoring software do you use?

I use tsMuxerGUI to make the folder structure, and ImgBurn to make the ISO. Using that, I can get the video and one lossless 5.1 track at 43.4GB. Add three more 384K stereo/192K mono lossy tracks and you’re at 44.5GB. You can fit a few more 192K stereo/96K mono lossy tracks and subtitles after that and get in under the wire, just barely.

One caveat is that I’ve been doing this a long time, so I pretty much never use the audio that comes with any preservation. I already have my own preferred audio tracks, and really just use the demuxed video from any new release with them. So if, for example, the lossless audio in the release is 24-bit or has an unusually large lossy core, you might have trouble fitting it – mine’s 16-bit DTS-MA with a 1536K (default) core. Similarly, my Dolby Digital files are 384K for English, and 192K for dubs (stereo; half of that for mono). If the audio tracks are maxing out bitrates, you may have trouble matching what I see.

Keep in mind I’m also experimenting with menus, and just forget that nonsense. With menus, you can’t even get a single lossless track in, even with very conservative authoring options. So if you want a disc with menus, you’re going to need to use the 1080p encode (should be OK), or re-encode the 2160p encode (may also be OK, but makes me sad), or go with probably a single lossy track (I couldn’t live with this).

IMO everything would be a lot easier all-around if the 2160p encode was something more like 35GB, but the goal of the release was to sacrifice as little quality as possible, while still allowing barebones BD compatibility. It does that.

michaelsft said:

CatBus said:
I use tsMuxerGUI to make the folder structure, and ImgBurn to make the ISO. Using that, I can get the video and one lossless 5.1 track at 43.4GB. Add three more 384K stereo/192K mono lossy tracks and you’re at 44.5GB. You can fit a few more 192K stereo/96K mono lossy tracks and subtitles after that and get in under the wire, just barely.

Thanks very much for your reply! I just tried your method with only 1 ac3 audio track (190mb) and I still get a BDMV folder at 44.54GB - I wonder if it’s because I’m on a mac?

Hard to say. There could be tsMuxerGUI version differences (I’m running a dev version because of some issues with the latest release), and I do want to specify that I create the ISO via ImgBurn instead of letting tsMuxerGUI do it. But regardless, it is a pretty tight fit.

I was wondering if anyone might know why when I visit the official sources download links page for Harmy’s RotJ Despecialized 3.1 and I use the magnent link (none of the torrent links listed in the sources have v3.1 available when you search for “Harmy”, all these have is the older version, so I had to use the magnet link), the download always stops at about 7.9 or 8.0 GB, and will not download the rest of the 29GB 1080p mkv file? I’ve tried probably half a dozen times, incuding today, and it always stops then (downloads fast, 8-10mb per second, until it stops at about 8GB downloaded every time and it will not resume, it says “failed - network error” on my downloads tab each time the download stops at about 8GB). I’m using Brave browser, which has a built-in torrent download capability. Thank for any help. =)