Harmy's Despecialized Star Wars 1977 - Color Adjustment Project for v2.7 (released) — Page 4

Wazzles said:

towne32 said:
I did also include many of the explosions in that battle from TN1’s SSE. I think they match better with the surrounding footage as I’ve graded it, and I previously avoided touching the explosions because other colors would get messed up. Every single frame has so many things going on. And I used their ion torpedo closeup.

Your coloring and the high definition footage make the compositing less obvious. Nice work.

Thanks. But I was actually unclear. Most of those explosion shots are basically untouched from TN1. But the resulting shot works better with some of the less green grading I have going. Much of the sequence looks pretty nice as they have it.

towne32 said:

Wazzles said:

towne32 said:
I did also include many of the explosions in that battle from TN1’s SSE. I think they match better with the surrounding footage as I’ve graded it, and I previously avoided touching the explosions because other colors would get messed up. Every single frame has so many things going on. And I used their ion torpedo closeup.

Your coloring and the high definition footage make the compositing less obvious. Nice work.

Thanks. But I was actually unclear. Most of those explosion shots are basically untouched from TN1. But the resulting shot works better with some of the less green grading I have going. Much of the sequence looks pretty nice as they have it.

Either way, your next release will probably be my go to for a while. Are you going to replace any other GOUT footage? There are some shots that really stand out to me.

Though I’ve already rendered it, I could delay it if there’s something that ends up making a big enough difference. What are your suggestions?

I’ve tried a few others during that final battle (the main sequence using GOUT in 2.5), and found that Harmy has them worked nicer than I can do.

towne32 said:

Though I’ve already rendered it, I could delay it if there’s something that ends up making a big enough difference. What are your suggestions?

I’ve tried a few others during that final battle (the main sequence using GOUT in 2.5), and found that Harmy has them worked nicer than I can do.

The only two that really stand out to me are the sand crawler coming over the dune and the detention block extension. If I had to pick between the two, though, it would be the crawler. But if you’re already rendering, don’t delay it on my account. I probably won’t have a chance to watch for at least another week anyway. I will be happy with whatever you put out.

What about popping in TN1’s version of the shot with the Dewback outside the cantina? Harmy’s animation was an impressive solution, but with the actual footage available in high def, I think it’s worth replacing.

Wazzles said:

towne32 said:

Though I’ve already rendered it, I could delay it if there’s something that ends up making a big enough difference. What are your suggestions?

I’ve tried a few others during that final battle (the main sequence using GOUT in 2.5), and found that Harmy has them worked nicer than I can do.

The only two that really stand out to me are the sand crawler coming over the dune and the detention block extension. If I had to pick between the two, though, it would be the crawler. But if you’re already rendering, don’t delay it on my account. I probably won’t have a chance to watch for at least another week anyway. I will be happy with whatever you put out.

No worries, I’m happy to hear suggestions since I mostly only focus on the things that catch my eye when watching. Namely, Mos Eisley.

The sandcrawler is probably the Anakin’s Eyebrows of SW for this forum, and it does pop out a little to me. I’d love to fix it, but one skill I really do not have is rotoscoping. That sequence is a bit of a nightmare, because all three segments are linked by wipes. It’s not the greatest part of TN1’s scan, in my opinion. So if rotoscoping isn’t a choice, the picture quality of the whole thing would jump waaay down without blu-ray elements. Plus it would need a ton more cleanup. Maybe Harmy will be able to do the whole original sequence for 3.0 if he gets Poita’s scan or something. The wipes really did look a little bit different originally.

I really think the hall extension looks near perfect in 2.5. Is it more the resolution than the rotoscoping that bugs you? Doesn’t seem to move out of place or anything like it did in 1.0. But again, it’s the same issue where the whole shot would suffer if I don’t rotoscope it in. And in this case, that’s a huge amount of footage to clean. So again I’ll leave the heavy lifting for Harmy. 😃

joefavs said:

What about popping in TN1’s version of the shot with the Dewback outside the cantina? Harmy’s animation was an impressive solution, but with the actual footage available in high def, I think it’s worth replacing.

I haven’t been able to get it to match well, but could give it another shot perhaps. Again, I wish I could rotoscope the thing because the foreground looks 20x better in Harmy’s 720p version.

There’s a reason I’m mostly replacing pure GOUT shots. It actually turns out that Luke climbing in the X-wing was rotoscoped, incorporating blu-ray elements. But the net quality improved enough that I’m leaving that one.

No worries if it doesn’t work, I just wanted to make sure it was on your radar.

I was actually thinking replacing the entire crawler shot. It’s just so jarring as it is that grain and damage would be less distracting to me.
And I’m really just nit picking with the set extension. I did, however, just remember the static exterior shot of the cantina that is significantly lower quality than the footage on either side of it. Plus there’s no wipes.

I ran into many of the same problems with the same shots in my version. I feel I was able to get the 2.5 Mos Eisley shot you posted working pretty well though. I will post a screenshot of my regraded shot later.

But yeah, the sandcrawler and dewback shots are hell. I have faith that Harmy will get it looking good in 3.0 though.

chyron8472 said:

I gave Q2s Prequels and Harmy’s DE to my cousin, Josh, for his birthday on Saturday, and I used 2.5 Recolored for Star Wars.

Wait, I thought it was for your other cousin, Mose.

You lied to me. 😦

Looking through your latest gallery on Imgur my only critique would be that the shots during the trench run where there is an explosion have too much orange removed from them. I can see why you wouldn’t want them to appear too saturated, but fiery explosions should have more of an orange color to them than I’m seeing in those shots. That’s the only thing I would change, however, as all of your other color adjustments are a big improvement over 2.5 imho.

BMadden said:

Looking through your latest gallery on Imgur my only critique would be that the shots during the trench run where there is an explosion have too much orange removed from them. I can see why you wouldn’t want them to appear too saturated, but fiery explosions should have more of an orange color to them than I’m seeing in those shots. That’s the only thing I would change, however, as all of your other color adjustments are a big improvement over 2.5 imho.

Thanks. Perhaps you’re right, but I actually have no clue what is right or wrong in this case. I do agree that there should probably be a happy medium in between, though I’m not sure that I can achieve it. Maybe I’ll tinker with it.

towne32 said:

BMadden said:

Looking through your latest gallery on Imgur my only critique would be that the shots during the trench run where there is an explosion have too much orange removed from them. I can see why you wouldn’t want them to appear too saturated, but fiery explosions should have more of an orange color to them than I’m seeing in those shots. That’s the only thing I would change, however, as all of your other color adjustments are a big improvement over 2.5 imho.

Thanks. Perhaps you’re right, but I actually have no clue what is right or wrong in this case. I do agree that there should probably be a happy medium in between, though I’m not sure that I can achieve it. Maybe I’ll tinker with it.

Thanks for all of your hard work. I didn’t think I’d ever need anything other than 2.5, but I’m actually using your 1.0 as my go to version of ANH right now.

Your next edition will have one with the 1981 Episode IV crawl!? THANK YOU! I can’t express how much I have wanted this and gave up hope on it. As much as I love the Harmy versions and appreciate all the hard-work he has done whenever I watched the '77 classic it always felt off without the “Episode IV A New Hope”. Having grown up with it on VHS my theatrical cuts in my head had that crawl, and it feels missing without it to me.

You have just made this edition of the film finally complete to me with that announcement. Thank you so much.

One final tweak was made and now 1.2 is finished.

Here’s the shot I just always wanted to upgrade:

http://i.imgur.com/DyMBafA.jpg

Yeah, that would be a good one. Perhaps it just needs the right kind of work done to it, but I don’t see the TN1 scan as a major upgrade to that shot. Seems a bit out of focus, actually. I wonder if the image quality bothers you, Harmy, or the animation, since I think you hand-animated that one?

If I could, I would upgrade the establishing shots of the squadron and S-foils shot, etc. But the light leak issue of this LPP scan just bugs me too much to use in those iconic shots (it messes with the ships’ engines). Hopefully you’ll be able to get Poita’s LPP scan or something for those ones (and others).

In general, I’m not messing with the shots you rotoscoped since you’ve got some high quality elements in there. The shot of Luke climbing into the X-wing is an exception. Slight downgrade in quality of the tip of the X-wing and hanging cables in exchange for an enormous upgrade in the focus of the shot. The light leak has a small effect on the light fixtures in this scene. But oh well. Other than that, the image quality and color in this scene are among the best in the LPP scan I think.

edit: Just saw your edit. Wow! That would be a huge honor. I can take another look at it, but I’m really not sure I can pull it off. Will see how it goes.

Actually, doing some comparisons, the TN1 shot does look better. Not the nicest in their release, but should still be an upgrade. Will do some pfclean work on it and see how it goes.