Harmy's Despecialized Star Wars 1977 - Color Adjustment Project for v2.7 (released) — Page 3

I actually cribbed my settings from a guy on another forum with the same model TV as me who had his professionally set up. I use the temperature presets for quick adjustments, but I’ve got the 10 point white balance and all that set up.

The shots I were referring to were all in the first third of so of the film. The officer Vader speaks with on the Tantive IV, and some of Luke’s early indoor scenes. It was nothing major, just this weird dull green tinge on the hair in certain shots, like when a sloth has algae in its fur. Like I said though, a quick adjustment and it ceased to be an issue.

I’m actually halfway through watching it beginning to end right now. This is without a doubt going to be my preferred version until 3.0.

joefavs said:

I actually cribbed my settings from a guy on another forum with the same model TV as me who had his professionally set up. I use the temperature presets for quick adjustments, but I’ve got the 10 point white balance and all that set up.

The shots I were referring to were all in the first third of so of the film. The officer Vader speaks with on the Tantive IV, and some of Luke’s early indoor scenes. It was nothing major, just this weird dull green tinge on the hair in certain shots, like when a sloth has algae in its fur. Like I said though, a quick adjustment and it ceased to be an issue.

I’m actually halfway through watching it beginning to end right now. This is without a doubt going to be my preferred version until 3.0.

Thanks for the kind words. Sounds like your TV is probably set up well enough for most viewing. Might not be ideal for something as touchy as this, but oh well. I have definitely had abysmal luck copying people’s settings for identical sets.

The shots you’re discussing are straight from Harmy’s 1997SE, and I believe the skin tones are at least a bit redder than 2.5. Everything was close enough that I didn’t want to risk upsetting the balance of the white halls of the set. Though I did adjust the middle sequence of the soldiers being taken hostage and Vader’s choke scene (which were greener than the rest).

towne32 said:

Sounds like your TV is probably set up well enough for most viewing. Might not be ideal for something as touchy as this, but oh well. I have definitely had abysmal luck copying people’s settings for identical sets.

Literally the only things that give me any trouble with these settings are Star Wars preservations.

Harmy said:

Perhaps that is because Star Wars preservations are the only media you watch where you have any strong preconceptions about what the correct look is.

I think that’s almost certainly what’s going on. In any case, this is definitely the closest I’ve seen to my idea of correct.

Oh wow! I honestly didn’t think there was any need for it when I heard mention of it on another thread, but now having seen the comparison gallery I have to agree with the overwhelming majority. This looks fantastic! Good job!

I kind of hope Harmy sees this…
Top one is the new TeamNegative1’s Technicolor scan screenshot…
Second one is a shot from Harmy’s recolorized
Last one is TeamNegative1’s SilverScreen edition.

Check out the light colors… they are indeed too green…
All I’m saying is… this new resource that TeamNegative1 got a hold of wipes the floor colorwise even with their first big release. Going forward I hope Harmy checks against it some before he releases 3.0.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6qftn3w1w80gpk/obiwancompare.jpg?dl=0

I’ve basically read 5 years worth of posts on these forums in last 2 days. Simply amazing all the resources that have been pulled together to bring these back. Much love to EVERYONE involved!!

Harmy has seen SSE I am sure. His goal is to represent the technicolor version, while SSE is a color corrected version of essentially an Eastman print with fairly minimal fade.

While some sequences in the SSE look stunning, color wise, others could use a ton of work. But the release itself can’t be used as a pure color reference.

Ideally, we may get to see mike verta’s corrected frames some day, which would make for a lovely reference.

towne32 said:

Harmy has seen SSE I am sure. His goal is to represent the technicolor version, while SSE is a color corrected version of essentially an Eastman print with fairly minimal fade.

While some sequences in the SSE look stunning, color wise, others could use a ton of work. But the release itself can’t be used as a pure color reference.

Ideally, we may get to see mike verta’s corrected frames some day, which would make for a lovely reference.

Just to clear something up, the bottom photo is the Silver Screen/Eastman edition. You can definitely tell it’s “not quite right” and has that rosy/sunburn appearance to it. However, TeamNegative1 is now working on a new Technicolor source and they just released a 10 minute demo from that scan recently on spleen. The top photo is from that 10 minute scene. As you can see it’s a completely different level than the silver screen version on the bottom. Go check it out it’s going to be killer when they are done with it! But I think Harmy’s edition is very important because it still will have more detail in the shots since the blu-ray was sourced from the negatives.

I haven’t read the whole story yet on Mike Verta’s work, I think that might be the next place I school myself on! 😃

OMG!!! Mike has a vimeo page
https://vimeo.com/channels/starwarslegacy/page:1
There’s quite a few “sanity” checks in those videos. Quite a few scenes are looked at. 😃

Sorry, I haven’t actually had a chance to look at your upload, and was just commenting on the TN1 release itself. But yes, I am definitely familiar with the Technicolor sample. And it looks great, as do other good technicolor scans. The SSE LPP was a dupe print and the scanning (while very impressive for what it is) was done on homemade equipment, while the Technicolor is an original print scanned very professionally. Harmy was mimicking a set of technicolor scans. But they were raw scans and not yet corrected (a fact he was unaware of at the time).

You’ll probably learn a lot about the Tech prints from Mike’s thread. But you might want to skip the early years of the thread, since it’s mostly just forum members being a dick towards him. Work your way backwards instead. 😃

edit: yes, his vimeo channel is great.

And Harmy’s color was based on raw scans of the Tech from Mike. And IIRC, Mike speaks favorably of Harmy’s color scheme, overall. Even if it could use a few tweaks, he seems to like it better than the alternatives.

towne32 said:
But you might want to skip the early years of the thread, since it’s mostly just forum members being a dick towards him. Work your way backwards instead. 😃

/Dreamaster shakes his head in disbelief and slowly sighs and facepalms himself

edit: yes, his vimeo channel is great.

And Harmy’s color was based on raw scans of the Tech from Mike. And IIRC, Mike speaks favorably of Harmy’s color scheme, overall. Even if it could use a few tweaks, he seems to like it better than the alternatives.

😃 OK, so I’m not presenting anything “new and shocking” to anyone… but I nearly had a heart attack when I saw that 10 minute Technicolor preview, and just wanted to doubly make sure these resources were looked at. If I had to describe it… it has a “natural warm glow”… so if the blu ray heavliy pushes blue, and Harmy’s original edition pushes green, the silver screen edition pushes red… I would describe the Technicolor print as “pushing peach”. Leia’s face is a great example… I may be making things up I kind of think in the blu-ray edition they may have manually changed the color of her lipstick to be that really brilliant dark red, whereas in reality it was more of a lighter pink/orange (which matches better with what my grandma used to wear 40 years ago, LOL!)

I’m currently working on several outside programming projects already so I don’t have the free time to really contribute to this the way I’m wanting too. I’m very excited though to see what happens over the next year or two. Such huge strides were made in only the last 4 years alone!

Yeah, the skin tones in the IB Tech look amazing. If there’s a way (short of maybe Dre’s tool) to get any other available version looking like that, it’s well beyond my abilities.

chyron8472 said:

I gave Q2s Prequels and Harmy’s DE to my cousin, Josh, for his birthday on Saturday, and I used 2.5 Recolored for Star Wars.

Awesome!

V1.2 will be up in a couple days. It’s essentially just a BD ISO version with seamless branching selectable crawl.

But I have also replaced a couple of quick shots that were previously purely GOUT based, with TN1’s SSE (that I further cleaned, grain-adjusted, and color corrected myself). The shots in question are one shot in the Mos Eisley entrance sequence, two shots as Luke prepares to board his X-wing (Harmy used a GOUT upscale to remove the Biggs scene), a few diving shots during the battle of Yavin. I’ve also used the SSE for a couple explosions in that battle and the closeup of the torpedos entering the Death Star. The latter weren’t GOUT, but the color should look less altered with TN1’s version.

I am leaving alone anything that Harmy roto

Thanks again for the interest.

chyron8472 said:

towne32 said:

chyron8472 said:

I gave Q2s Prequels and Harmy’s DE to my cousin, Josh, for his birthday on Saturday, and I used 2.5 Recolored for Star Wars.

Awesome!

V1.2 will be up in a couple days. It’s essentially just a BD ISO version with seamless branching selectable crawl.

But I have also replaced a couple of quick shots that were previously purely GOUT based, with TN1’s SSE (that I further cleaned, grain-adjusted, and color corrected myself). The shots in question are one shot in the Mos Eisley entrance sequence, two shots as Luke prepares to board his X-wing (Harmy used a GOUT upscale to remove the Biggs scene), a few diving shots during the battle of Yavin. I’ve also used the SSE for a couple explosions in that battle and the closeup of the torpedos entering the Death Star. The latter weren’t GOUT, but the color should look less altered with TN1’s version.

I am leaving alone anything that Harmy roto

Thanks again for the interest.

What I would really love to have is a BD menu.

I know there’s a DE2.5 BD on the spleen that has menus. Is there a way to mux it into this, or can we get someone to work on making menus for Recolored?

JEDIT: I just thought of something: Star Wars DERP Despecialized Edition Recolored Project). ;D

Well there will be a simple menu to select the SW or ANH crawl and audio track, but nothing fancy.

Also, not to toot my own horn here but if you want something a bit more fancy:

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Custom-Blu-Ray-Set/id/17986

Uses recolorized as the base for the 1977 and 1981 versions.

Uuuuugh, really wishing I hadn’t used my last disc to burn the 1.0. I’ve been dying for that '81 crawl. I’ll have to order some more.

Well you’ll probably have ESB 2.5 to burn sometime this year as well, so you’ll need to stock up eventually. 😃

Definitely looking forward to v1.2

Since there was a shot in my last release that uses a purely GOUT based clip from Harmy’s v2.0, because I couldn’t get the color working in his 2.5 version of that shot, he suggested I use TN1’s release. It was this shot: http://i.imgur.com/WCyEHfB.jpg

So, I have. Thanks TN1.

I did some extra manual and automatic cleanup and stabilization, and did my best to match the color, contrast, grain, and sharpness to surrounding shots.

But then I had to keep tinkering. So I did the same for the shots of Luke preparing to board his X-wing, as Harmy used the purely GOUT based shots that were available when he was making 2.5.

And then I did the same for some of the model shots of the Battle of Yavin. I didn’t mess with anything that Harmy rotoscoped or used 35mm stills for, just the purely GOUT shots. And not all of them. He is sometimes able to get the GOUT looking better than I can get 35mm. And his starfields look great.

I did also include many of the explosions in that battle from TN1’s SSE. I think they match better with the surrounding footage as I’ve graded it, and I previously avoided touching the explosions because other colors would get messed up. Every single frame has so many things going on. And I used their ion torpedo closeup.

New gallery: http://imgur.com/a/0wgUJ

towne32 said:
I did also include many of the explosions in that battle from TN1’s SSE. I think they match better with the surrounding footage as I’ve graded it, and I previously avoided touching the explosions because other colors would get messed up. Every single frame has so many things going on. And I used their ion torpedo closeup.

Your coloring and the high definition footage make the compositing less obvious. Nice work.