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Hey all, I was talking to a friend of mine about DVD transfers and Jurassic Park and such, and we noticed that the Full Screen Transfer to JP actually had, in many cases, more image to it than the wide screen… which I thought odd but when I learned more about DVD transfers I realized why…

This was kind of important because he’s spearheading a project to use the Crysis engine to make an interactive Jurassic Park that’s extremely realistic. I’ve seen the work they’ve done so far and its great! I’m really excited to be a part of it.

Well, today he mentioend to me that JP was on AMC and I’ve noticed before that the audio is different. For instance, they speed up the broadcast slightly so the music at times can warble in and out of tune. Also, the tv mix is VERY different… Not only because it’s tv (removing curse words) but also some other less obvious changes.

Well, one other thing he notices is that the transfer seems to be a LOT better than the transfers on the dvd; that the definition in the black areas are so much brighter and clearer than they are on the DVD.

Now mind you, since JP came out on DVD, it’s been the same transfer… and Spielberg DVD’s are notorious for having piss poor washed out grainy transfers.

Well, I’m kinda half asking and half stating this but I’d really love if someone could digitally record in the highest quality possible the film.

If anyone has this ripped, I’d really love to get a copy.

I ask not because I don’t ahve the DVD… or that I Want to watch it, but that Jurassic Park, like many spilberg films, lives a lot in its subtlety. There are things about the films that we just wouldn’t know if it weren’t for some people with sharp eyes.

I myself discovered that there seems to have been a hint to there being more than one island in the film itself, on the computer screens.

But anyways, my friend is certain it is HD which would be wonderful as well as it would be the only HD version of the film available.

I ask if anyone has it to contact me or if someone can record it, it airs again tomorrow night on AMC at 6:00 EST… if someone could do that, I’d really love to get that.

It is not just for viewing, let me reinterate: it is both for the game mod we’re working on, but also for the JPL encyclopedia. If there is anyhting in this we’ve missed, I want to know.

Thanks again


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I don't live in the States so I can't help out, but I can mention that there were Superbit releases of Jurassic Park I & II in Japan. They had the same DTS track as the DTS editions stateside (as far as I can tell) and featured slightly better picture. For what that's worth, you can read about and see comparisons on DVD Beaver

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So you're another person who thinks naturally inherent film grain = bad? Give me a damn break. People alaways complain in their reviews about the grain in the film. Well, too bad since it's a natural process of filmmaking. What I loathe considerably is excessive DVNR'ing. I'd much rather see a nice grainy film with all the minute details intact over an edge-enhanced, de-grained abomination. Die Hard: With a Vengeance SE DVD anyone? I can't even really watch it at great lengths due to the excessive edge enhancement giving me a bad headache.
Let's not also forget the original audio language, even if different characters are speaking different languages, original tinting, aspect ratio and a multitude of other factors. Yes, I'm a die-hard film lover and would take a film-like presentation of a movie any day over a sub-par release.
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I saw this the other day and noticed the sound mix too. I didn't mind it--it was the first time I could actually hear Dr. Grant telling Ian Malcolm "Get rid of the flare!"; normally that line is all garbled up by the stampeding T-rex.
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Whoa... You need to calm down lol...

What I've read and seen is that most every Spielberg DVD release is very bad quality and I have to concur that most ones I've seen lack a lot of clarity. Granted, these are old films that didn't just come out and don't get the special treatment but even then, modern ones don't get that great releases anyways.

It's sort of like Williams. Once he's released an album of the score he's done. Of course I'm happy to have the album, but I'd be happier to have the full score... and in most cases, the albums are very dead sounding and very quiet too.


Similarly, the first releases of most speilberg films are grainy or blurry. JP, for example, has a great deal of blur and grain at times, especially CG'd scenes such as the "first sight" scene.

But I'm not here to argue that...

I'm here because the more detail we can see the better. You would be bored if I tried to explain all the things we've learned through careful and intent study of both the fullscreen and widescreen versions of the film and how each taught us something different and how minute the details were. And as such, I'm interested in getting a higher quality version if not just for myself, and my site... but for the mod as well.

So, if you have something to rant about, make a thread ranting against people who don't like blurry transfers... but please,leave this thread to its original intent.


As for the sound mixing I don't mind it. I think it's a lot clearer though musically... the music could probably be ripped rather cleanly. The dialogue being different angers me...

Gennario says "Oh Jeeze!" instead of "Oh Jesus!"... which doesn't make sense because 4 minutes latter, we hear him praying the "Hail Mary" in the bathroom... so to change one but not dub the other is completely ludicrous to me...

And I love though, that they leave "God" but take out "Damn." But whatever lol... that's just the quirkiness which is the generalized American populous.

But the whole thing has been sped up slightly for the television broadcast. You can tell when the sound slightly warbles in and out. I've only noticed it on AMC... so I think it's just something they do.


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Spielberg's newer films are intentionally grainy, and they are beautiful for it. Its the style of DP Janusz Kaminski. His older films weren't meant to look grainy but a lot of the film stocks back then simply were like that--for instance, Aliens is pretty grainy, and it'll never be better unless you start erasing grain artificially but then you are erasing part of the original image.

But you are right about JP--the DVD transfer sucks and theres a bit more grain than there should be. Its dupe grain, not grain on the neg--grain on the neg should be left in but dupe grain can be nasty.
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I'm not too familiar with what techniques there are to remove grain and I didn't mean just grain.

The colors can also be lost a bit.

Minority Report I remember reading suffered a bit not really from grain, which as you said it had for effect, but for certain color losses compared to the original image.

JP is like that as well with certain things looking different on the television broadcast and as I said, dark areas having a bit more contrast without having to change the image as opposed to changing the image on the DVD and still not getting the higher contrast.

This is what I was told and was asked to ask around for so That's what I'm doing heh..

I do know however that the bluryness present in JP doesn't need to be so.


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Originally posted by: GoodMusician

Minority Report I remember reading suffered a bit not really from grain, which as you said it had for effect, but for certain color losses compared to the original image.


MR was treated to a bleach-bypass silver retention process, which gives it that cold, desaturated look; its one of Kaminski's trademarks, along with the grain--he developed this look on Saving Private Ryan. The desaturation is intentional.

I can't say I noticed the blurriness on the AMC broadcast, but I think I know what you mean because I've seen it before on a number of films shown on television--what its caused by I'm not sure, though for some reason I associate it with that subtle speed-up that is also sometimes applied (as you claim JP has had). Thats usually just a television thing. Unless you are talking about softness, which is probably just due to a less-than-steller transfer.

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I'm very much aware of the process that they put the film through. I'm talking about the original what was seen in theatres to the dvd...

Not the original recorded to what's seen in theatres.

And as far as blurryness, you completely misunderstood me there too.

I said the DVD transfer was blurry. Not the film. The film was cleaner and crisper with not as much color loss and filter on TV than on DVD.


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Maybe a bit off topic but because I read this thread I took a good look at my Jurassic Park LaserDisc. In the previous century I started out with a VHS copy but bought the DVD the day it came out. Years later I learned of the SuperBit version with the awesome DTS track. When I bought my Pioneer LaserDisc player for my Star Wars LD to DVD transfer I got a bunch of LDs with it including Jurassic Park. I never played it but I liked it for the cover alone. But somehow because of this thread I thought let's play it and I have to say the audio is just so good. To me it sounds better than the DTS track. For instance the sound of the Brachiosaurus when it is first seen by Grant etc. blew me away. And the thunder that rocked my room when it landed on it's front legs is just awesome. I have LaserDisc 41829 with the Dolby Surround audio track. I have to make a bit accurate capture of it someday. Sorry just had to tell this.
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jurassic park was released on laserdisc in dts sound.

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http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/9306/43115/Jurassic-Park-(1993)

not sure if the dts on the japan superbit is the same as on the laserdisc.

sometimes dvd's get new dts mixes when their were theatrical dts mixes examples such as tomorrow never dies and goldeneye.

i know the japan dvd supposedly is full bitrate dts how they fit that on dvd is beyond me since they only have 8.5 gb.

i believe years ago circuit city and other stores had the laserdisc as a showcase title in stores to sell dts to its customers. i remember it sounded amazing, but i could not afford the then couple thousand dollars worth of audio equipment.

it was also released on laserdisc in thx sound in both dolby digital and dts flavors under the lucasfilm thx laserdisc program. i know jurassic park was universal but since lucas is spielbergs friend a lot of his films were released under the thx laserdisc banner.

who knows when jurassic park will hit blu ray or HD-dvd. i'm hoping blu ray with the theatrical dolby in full bitrate pcm, probably wishful thinking since universal supports HD-DVD right?

and in response to goodmusician all the dvd releases of jurassic park, at least in north america leave a lot to be desired. too bad the japan superbit is near impossible to find and sold out everywhere fetching 90.00 plus on ebay.

i tried to find a copy for myself being a fan of the novel more than the movie, though i liked the first movie and was dissapointed with the sequel novel and expecially the film which deviated completely from the novel. never mind the third movie which has no novel basis and not directed by spielberg and re-using john williams music from the first 2 movies directed by joe johnston had fail written all over it. for the love of god i hope 4 never happens.

lets face it joe johnston was a brilliant visual designer/illustrator/storyboard artist on the star wars trilogy circa 1977-1983 but sucks as a director. jumanji anyone?, indian in the cupboard was okay but the concept was childish and frankly silly, miniature darth vader toy comes to life, lol, was the best part.

i wish a expanded cd release had been released for jp 1 but at least i have my 1 disc cd. the music is the best part of jp the movie it is truly great.

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I've already released a Complete Score edit for JP, TLW, AND JP3... but that's not what this thread is about...


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Hey all...

 

So I was watching The Lost World on tv last night and I noticed something.

 

I had known that the TV version had the deleted scenes from the DVD mixed in... and I had noticed that the scenes had been cleaned up... and their sound fields perfected as those on the DVD were work prints and not final SFX...

 

But I also noticed changes latter in the film. Due to the placement of commercials, at the end of the Trailer sequence the final part of the music is mixed in earlier so it can go to credits... and so that the shot when it returns from the credits (which normally would have music) lacks it.

 

Also, certain lines are mixed in better and certain SFX are more present... it's amazing what I had NEVER heard in the film before...

 

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I had mentioned before asking if anyone has recorded Jurassic Park from the TV because it was obviously a new transfer. I know that TNT speeds up the film by about 2-4 %, but keeps the original pitch... so the music will warble in and out of tune at times... and scenes will FEEL faster. I dunno if they mixed things differently in that version or not, but it would be AMAZING if someone managed to capture either of these digitally.

 


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