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Thought this might be appropriate here…
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=301946435171
HBO Star Wars preservations (a Work In Progress) — Page 6
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Thought this might be appropriate here…
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=301946435171
ACK. I need this. Doubt I’ll be able to win it.
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Wow!
Is someone on here bidding for this?
On a side note, I’ve always been curious about what was the agreement regarding master tapes for telecasts of a film like Star Wars. Would the broadcaster be allowed to retain the tapes in their library indefinitely and just negotiate for the TV rights whenever they wanted to show the film?
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Well, I can’t speak for the American market, but the BBC wanted copies destroyed or returned when the contract was up. I suspect that some US stations might have kept the contract going for years so they may have kept a copy that they might air periodically. But one a contract was up and not renewed, the tapes went back or got wiped. With the BBC’s bad archiving, lots of things got lost because of this. The occasional stray turns up that didn’t get destroyed or returned so the policy is well documented in hopes more strays turn up.
So my guess is that tapes sent out for broadcast were wiped afterward.
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A “top man” around here is bidding on it. 😃
What I’m puzzling over it that’s it’s 3/4 inch U Matic tapes. I would think a major cable network would broadcast using one inch VTR’s or whatever the standard was in the early 80’s. Was this something HBO sent around as a promo or for some other purpose?
U Matic was more a mainstay of small tv stations and local cable companies. The college tv station I once slaved at carried the programming of a network called NCTV, but we didn’t get their satellite feed, (for reasons I’ve long forgotten) so they sent us a box of U Matic tapes for each month’s programming. They had to be sent back the next month of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_College_Television
In retrospect, I should have dubbed some of those tapes off when nobody was around. 😉
I really want to know if the seller has other HBO tapes.
Where were you in '77?
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A “top man” around here is bidding on it. 😃
What I’m puzzling over it that’s it’s 3/4 inch U Matic tapes. I would think a major cable network would broadcast using one inch VTR’s or whatever the standard was in the early 80’s. Was this something HBO sent around as a promo or for some other purpose?
U Matic was more a mainstay of small tv stations and local cable companies. The college tv station I once slaved at carried the programming of a network called NCTV, but we didn’t get their satellite feed, (for reasons I’ve long forgotten) so they sent us a box of U Matic tapes for each month’s programming. They had to be sent back the next month of course.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_College_Television
In retrospect, I should have dubbed some of those tapes off when nobody was around. 😉I really want to know if the seller has other HBO tapes.
Good to know, I’ll stay out of the way of the bidding. I really hope this makes it into the community.
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Well, I can’t speak for the American market, but the BBC wanted copies destroyed or returned when the contract was up. I suspect that some US stations might have kept the contract going for years so they may have kept a copy that they might air periodically. But one a contract was up and not renewed, the tapes went back or got wiped. With the BBC’s bad archiving, lots of things got lost because of this. The occasional stray turns up that didn’t get destroyed or returned so the policy is well documented in hopes more strays turn up.
So my guess is that tapes sent out for broadcast were wiped afterward.
Thanks for the info. That explains why the TV archivists were so delighted to get their hands on the late Bob Monkhouse’s video library that he had obsessively recorded and maintained.
A “top man” around here is bidding on it. 😃
“A top man” who will save it from this fate… 😄
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I actually have what I believe to be the original HBO airing (hosted by Mark Hamill yes??). Interesting story of how I found it. A few years ago my dad was at an estate sale and bought VHS drawers and holders (thinking I’d want them), some of which still had some tapes in it from who every had these holders previously. Anyways about a year or two ago I was looking at the labeled tapes in there and one was labeled Star Wars. Popped it in and it had the Mark Hamill intro where it shows the all the fandom and stuff before the movie came on. Whoever taped this must have had a dual tape deck or found this on a commercial free channel cause after ANH the tape skipped to ESB, for the most part in its entirety. No ROTJ unfortunately though I doubt there would have been much room left on the tape for it anyhow. Still neat find.
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The Mark Hamill intro was actually from the first “free” tv airing on CBS in 1985. Would have been fairly simple to add a cable showing of the film to it.
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I really want to know if the seller has other HBO tapes.
They listed more tapes. No Star Wars but…
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The Mark Hamill intro was actually from the first “free” tv airing on CBS in 1985. Would have been fairly simple to add a cable showing of the film to it.
Ahh ok. Thanks.
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Did someone win this!? I forgot to bid!!!
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I have a question and those who have posted on this topic seem like they would be the most knowledgeable about it. Especially since we are talking the early days of Star Wars on home video/TV. What version would I have seen in July 1981? My dad had a copy (borrowed the original from a friend and copied it) that we watched in July 1981 in Wiesbaden, Germany. I remember when specifically because it was right after we came back from a vacation to Italy. Wondering if it would have had the Ep IV A New Hope crawl or the original and squished credits or cropped. I’m pretty sure it was an NTSC copy circulating the base.
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ANH wasn’t released on video until 1982, so what you saw in 1981 could have been a bootleg tape or something especially made for military use, which leaves the crawl question up in the air. The first theatrical reissue with the Episode IV crawl was in April 1981.
Can you recall if the tape itself had any markings? Back in college, the tv station I slaved at used to get donations of old tapes made for Navy bases we could reuse. (Mostly late 70’s early 80’s tv shows, all erased before they got to us though.) They were made of blue plastic and had a “U.S. govt’ property” stamped on them in gold on the side.
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No, I can’t remember what the original tape looked like. I wasn’t allowed to handle it and it was only in the apartment a day. Just long enough to copy (and watch). Can’t remember what happened to the copy, but I didn’t get to see it very many times before it either got taped over, damaged or lost. The only thing that my fuzzy memory has is something vague about how it wasn’t supposed to be out yet. But I was eleven and the memory is no longer very clear.
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For those keeping track, our “top man” won the auction. 😃
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Great news!
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Wonderful! Can’t wait for the screencaps. 😃
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You might be waiting a while, I am awaiting the arrival of the tapes, and have purchased a better U-Matic deck for the transfer, I have had the deck sent to a friend in the US to do the transfer to save having to get the tapes and gear to Oz.
Donations as always are more than welcome, this was an unexpected expense, but seemed too important to pass up, plus having a good quality U-Matic deck in our hands makes future projects easier if they turn up.
After the tapes have arrived, and have been checked to see if they need baking, we will get some samples up, but don’t hold your breath, we are pretty snowed and broke at the moment.
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Understood, everyone on here suffers from the effects of Real Life Syndrome and patience is a virtue, after all, as some things in life are well worth waiting for. I’m not rolling in it at the moment but I’ll happily make a donation to the cause. Can you PM me with the details of how to go about this please?
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How to donate is right there in my signature 😃
The tapes should be arriving early next week, they ended up costing me $95 with shipping, the U-Matic deck was pretty costly though.
Hopefully the tapes won’t need baking, but we will know soon!
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Great stuff! 😃
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I have a Sony VO-9850 deck, if you have any trouble or want an alternate transfer.
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Thanks Puggo, the VO-9850 isn’t high band is it?
If the tapes need baking, are you able to offer that service?
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Don’t want to take this off topic, but I just searched what VHS “baking” is. It looks like it actually means baking!
That’s awesome.