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Get ready for "Star Wars - Shroud of the Sith", a radical fan edit of "The Phantom Menace" — Page 2

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Lord Haseo said:

Sheepish said:
I’ve considered cutting her death for continuity reasons, but I like the irony of her death too much. I’ll find a way to work around the continuity of IV

I think you mean ROTJ because that’s where Leia says the thing about remembering her mom.

Yep, I meant to type VI, not IV. But yea, that’s what I was referencing.

darthrush said:

I find rotoscoping his saber green or purple and removing the Darth Tyranus title would seal the deal for Dookus character really put to perfection as a intellectual rebellious Jedi who has noble goals with dark logistics of doing so.

I was thinking more along the lines of a darksaber, mostly because we never see one in the films, but I might like the idea of giving Dooku a purple saber. It would give us a more morally ambiguous villain, while also creating a link between Dooku and Mace Windu, which could imply some weight in Episode III when Anakin has difficulty accepting Windu’s views. Great idea!

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darthrush said:

I have actually grown to appreciate Dookus character more than Maul by a long shot. Dooku is somewhat of foreshadowing to the possible issues Anakin takes up with the order. I find rotoscoping his saber green or purple and removing the Darth Tyranus title would seal the deal for Dookus character really put to perfection as a intellectual rebellious Jedi who has noble goals with dark logistics of doing so. Figuring out a way to put Dooku in the funeral sounds very difficult but if executed correctly, I believe that would be absolutely fantastic. You have some great ideas for his edit!

Well you see, do some digging and he’s a fascinating, if not the most fascinating Sith of the franchise. Just a massive letdown in the movies. Isn’t Dooku however supposed to be Palpatine’s apprentice, after Maul’s death? That would probably mean he couldn’t just be there on his own, he’d need to be there, maybe after the funeral, with Sheev, or rather, Darth Sidious. Yes, he’s actively looking to rebel against the Jedi, but just him overlooking the characters at the end would suggest he’s been involved in this for far longer.

EDIT: I mean, I just looked up Dooku on wookiepedia, and this gave me a lot of insight, as to both the character behind the films as well as him possibly being in the first film.

“Even though I knew that the Senate was corrupt, the Council was fallible, and Jedi training methods far from perfect, I remained with the Jedi Order for twelve years after Galidraan. Why? Because I still believed that I could accomplish some good as a Jedi. I thought I could bring about some positive changes, right certain wrongs, and do better than maintain the status quo. In short, I was an utter fool.”
-Dooku

After the battles of Galidraan and Baltizaar, Dooku became increasingly withdrawn from the Jedi Order. He refused to accept any more missions from the Jedi Council[23] and became concerned about prophecies he felt were coming true about dark times unfolding across the galaxy. While he discussed his concerns with many of the Order’s most prominent Jedi Masters, his friend Sifo-Dyas was his closest confidant.[25]

Dooku’s growing disenchantment with the Jedi way was sensed by Senator Palpatine, who had been watching Dooku for some time and had plans that required someone with Dooku’s reputation, skills, and financial resources. Palpatine was secretly the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, and even before the Battle of Naboo in 32 BBY he had held several meetings with Dooku to feel out his opinions and cultivate him as an ally. Dooku’s behavior and beliefs as a Jedi had previously been within the scope of Jedi orthodoxy.[1] However, Dooku flirted with the belief that the dark side of the Force could be called upon without personal corruption as his discontent with the Jedi Order grew.[26]
Dooku made several public condemnations of the Senate after the death of his former Padawan Qui-Gon Jinn in a duel with the Sith Lord Darth Maul. This Dathomirian Zabrak was the apprentice of Darth Sidious, raised as a weapon to combat the Jedi Order. Maul’s victory was short-lived, however, as Jinn’s apprentice Obi-Wan Kenobi defeated the Sith Lord by cutting him in half at the waist with Jinn’s own lightsaber.[3] Shortly thereafter, Dooku resigned from the Jedi Order, retired to Serenno, and claimed his family title of Count, left vacant by the death of his brother, while his nephew, Adan, and his sister in law went into self-exile on Alderaan.[7] He neither gave a reason for his decision to leave the Jedi in his public announcement nor did he provide one when summoned before the Jedi Council to explain his actions.

Considering his fall was a big blow to the Old Jedi Order, we really should see him as significant character, and not a stereotypically evil and arrogant villain who is killed at the very start of the second film he is featured in.

So, yah, bring on those changes, I think this would fit really nicely with the whole “The Jedi have become the one thing they’ve sworn to destroy” thing. Maybe have him, dunno, seeing QGJ’s body, sighing and leaving to go into self-exile. Then it would actually be dramatic to see him the next time when he’s turned, albeit ambiguously of course. That would present further problems because we would need to be introduced to him earlier in Episode 1 or at least hear his name so we’re like “Oh is that that dude?”

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The Lullaby would be a nice touch - could be placed in epI perhaps when Ani and Padme talk? And maybe repeated in EpVI when Leia speaks to Luke about Padme.

Colour tests look great.

I came across this ages ago and have had it sat on my desktop ever since. I think its a photograph of TPM in a cinema - but the colours look really good (probably something thats happened through the various processes.)

Would love to see more blues/greens in motion.

http://www.cybertronical.com/allsites/starwars/main/characters/qui_gon_ginn/quigon1a.jpg

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dkeighobadi said:

darthrush said:

Maybe have him, dunno, seeing QGJ’s body, sighing and leaving to go into self-exile. Then it would actually be dramatic to see him the next time when he’s turned, albeit ambiguously of course. That would present further problems because we would need to be introduced to him earlier in Episode 1 or at least hear his name so we’re like “Oh is that that dude?”

That’s actually exactly how I’m trying to do it. I’m trying to cut to Dooku sighing and leaving, just before cutting back to Windu and Yoda talking about the whole “master and apprentice” thing, which now has a double meaning with QGJ and Dooku.

The problem isn’t so much inserting Dooku into the film as it is finding the right frames of him to insert.

I’ve also considered trying to fit him into one of the Jedi Council scenes, but I’m not sure if I like that idea just yet.

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ben_danger said:

The Lullaby would be a nice touch - could be placed in epI perhaps when Ani and Padme talk? And maybe repeated in EpVI when Leia speaks to Luke about Padme.

Colour tests look great.

I came across this ages ago and have had it sat on my desktop ever since. I think its a photograph of TPM in a cinema - but the colours look really good (probably something thats happened through the various processes.)

Would love to see more blues/greens in motion.

http://www.cybertronical.com/allsites/starwars/main/characters/qui_gon_ginn/quigon1a.jpg

That looks fantastic!

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Man, everything your thinking of doing with Dooku is pure genius. I really love “the Jedi have become what they swore to destroy” angle on the prequels. When conforming to this angle of editing the prequels I find it proves to come out with the best results. I can’t believe how hyped this edit is getting me. Do you know what modes of uploading it you will use (fanedit.info, torrents, rapidshare, mega ??)

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This Edit sounds and looks pretty awesome, looking forward to seeing the finished product.

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darthrush said:

Man, everything your thinking of doing with Dooku is pure genius. I really love “the Jedi have become what they swore to destroy” angle on the prequels. When conforming to this angle of editing the prequels I find it proves to come out with the best results. I can’t believe how hyped this edit is getting me. Do you know what modes of uploading it you will use (fanedit.info, torrents, rapidshare, mega ??)

Glad you’re looking forward to it!

And I’ll probably be trying a few different menthods of uploading. This is the first fan edit I’ve ever really done, so I’m still learning a bit about the process, but I’ll probably do a torrent and try to list it on fanedit.info as well. I’m also going to try to put the thing on YouTube (I’ve been told that if I omit certain pieces of the end credits, I’ll have a much better shot of it not getting pulled down by Disney, oddly enough).

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Sheepish said:
I’ll probably be trying a few different menthods of uploading. This is the first fan edit I’ve ever really done, so I’m still learning a bit about the process, but I’ll probably do a torrent and try to list it on fanedit.info as well. I’m also going to try to put the thing on YouTube (I’ve been told that if I omit certain pieces of the end credits, I’ll have a much better shot of it not getting pulled down by Disney, oddly enough).

Try vimeo, full fanedits have stayed on there without being taken down and anyone can download videos directly from vimeo as well.

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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Okay, here’s a little preview of what I’m doing with Dooku. It needs to be touched up a bit, and the final scene with Palpatine’s face hasn’t been color-corrected, but this is mostly just a frame of reference.

https://vimeo.com/158102839 (password is “fanedit”)

Suggestions? Ideas?

Do you like the way it’s ordered, or is there anything I can do to improve on it? I was considering putting Dooku’s walkaway after Mace’s “but which was destroyed…master or apprentice?” line, but it felt like slight overkill to have Dooku walkaway and immediately cut to the pan from Anakin to Palpatine. I’m still not sure.

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One of the biggest problems with fanedits is that they can feel jarring and out of place, especially when we know how the movie is ‘supposed’ to play out. The Dooku appearance feels like that, but I think that the shots themselves are actually very well done. The trouble, as you said, is that we are essentially foreshadowing two evil characters at once. I’d suggest that the shots be reordered.
First, remove Dooku from the opening shot.
After ‘You will be a Jedi’, cut to the excellent panning shot of Palpatine, since he is already going to ‘watch [Anakin’s] career with great interest’
Then have the Jedi talking about the master and apprentice, and after this exchange have the opening shot duplicated and zoomed in, so that it slowly pans to the right and shows Dooku, and then shows him walking away.

It also seems strange that the big ending isn’t included. I wonder if the music could be changed to something grander, and simply have the entire scene dialogue free.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. Again, really good work on the Dooku shots.

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I would suggest removing the Palpatine shot entirely. Move the dooku shot to after “…master, or the apprentice?”
Then re-use the wide shot of everyone standing around the funeral pyre for the ending shot. Maybe find some appropriate music to blend in that grandly swells up to the end if you can find something that works.

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I actually really like the shot the way you have it. Its great work.

You might also be able to get Dooku mentioned earlier in the film by using the audio from the deleted scene in episode II where Obi-Wan asks the Jedi librarian why Dooku left the order. If it were me, I would put the audio for that line intercut somehow with “don’t center on you anxieties Obi-Wan Keep your concentration here and now where it belongs.”

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If I may: I don’t think this shot would work in the movie, because the character is a complete nobody at this point, and his mysterious presence distracts the audience from the elements involved in the narrative so far (it’s like the Boba Fett cameo in EpIV, when we didn’t know the character would be known sooner in the saga). Would work better as a flash back during EpII, when the Count questions Obi-Wan and reminds him that Qui-Gon was once his apprentice.

That being said, I like the idea of Dooku appearing in the whole prelogy. I’m simply trying to judge it as someone who would know anything of the saga and who discovers EpI the way you intend it to be.

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Would it be do-able to try and roto dooku into the Jedi council throughout the film? You would have to find some point where we see dooku sitting down with his whole body visible and idk if there is any point in the films where we see that. If there is though, that would be I think a good enough way to make him not just seem to appear out of thin air.

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Darth Lucas said:

Would it be do-able to try and roto dooku into the Jedi council throughout the film? You would have to find some point where we see dooku sitting down with his whole body visible and idk if there is any point in the films where we see that. If there is though, that would be I think a good enough way to make him not just seem to appear out of thin air.

Maybe in the deleted scene from II? It’s very dark, though, and I imagine it would be terribly difficult to get him into the bright council room.

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There’s definitely some footage I can use to roto him into the council, because I’ve actually been playing around with that idea. I just didn’t know if I wanted him there or not.

I’ve also touched more on the Dooku funeral roto, so the edges of his hair and cloak look more natural.

I actually really like Darth Lucas’ idea of maybe removing the Palpatine shot at the end, moving the Dooku shot back and ending on the wide shot. I’ll do a mock-up of that and throw it up here in a bit to see what you guys think.

I only want to add him in if it absolutely works. If it’s too forced, I’ll abandon the idea.

And to address the notion of Dooku appearing out of nowhere…honestly, I think that’s part of his problem in Episode II anyway. He’s a villain that shows up out of nowhere and gives an expositional speech as to why he’s the new villain. I feel like if I can find a conceivable way to introduce him into Episode I, he’ll at least be a familiar face in II and we’ll have some notion of who he is. Actually, as I’m typing this out, I’m thinking showing him in the council would work really well. I’ll see what I can do.

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I wonder if there was a way to place his “I was once Qui-Gon’s master as he was once your’s” dialogue in TPM - as this would be relatively redundant in AOTC if he is brought forward.

If you wanted to RADICALLY RADICALLY edit both TPM and AOTC - I’d bring much of a robed christopher lee into TPM, then substitute a masked “dooku” into AOTC - who would reveal himself at the end of AOTC.

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NeverarGreat said:
It also seems strange that the big ending isn’t included. I wonder if the music could be changed to something grander, and simply have the entire scene dialogue free.

It isn’t John Williams, but the ending of “The Destruction of Xizor’s Palace” from The Shadows of the Empire OST is a pretty good song that could be used

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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Okay, here’s another version of the Dooku scene. I touched up the rotoscoped bits (mostly the hair) and added a different musical track. I also reordered the scene and cut the Palpatine pan, just to see what it looked like. Also, I added a small extra bit of rising music toward the end of the track, to give a somewhat off-putting build into the credits. I like it, but it also works with the smoother underlying piece by itself.

Here is the new version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1rS_q3E2-k&feature=youtu.be

I think I still need to give the rotoscoping another once-over, but it’s shaping up nicely.

Also, if anyone knows of a scene with Dooku turning and walking away (camera facing his back) in Episode II or whatever, let me know.

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Works better. You could certainly touch up some things and maybe do a little work on the music, but it certainly works better than before.

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In my opinion, I liked Dooku walking away. You saw his character only once, and only seeing him once left me with a “Wait, who the hell was that?” feeling. If you want to solidify it much more, I would add either that shot back, or a different one

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