Info Wanted: 2006 GOUT Full Screen DVDs? — Page 2

SilverWook said:

And only people unaware of the forthcoming digital transition would buy one.

Not necessarily. I bought one in 2005 (32" at Wal-mart) specifically because the writing was on the wall for CRTs at the time, and I wanted to buy a new one before it was too late. I still have it and I still use it for ~240p video game consoles and DVDs. I love CRTs and hate LCDs with a passion. I use a CRT for my PC monitor as well, though it can resolve much higher resolutions than a ~15 kHz TV can (1920 x 1440 @ 60 Hz). I use it for watching HD content.

It doesn’t get Lucas off the hook for offering up a technically inferior product using then 13 year old video masters and calling it a day.

I never said that it did. I said that not everyone was upset about it, i.e., it was fine for people using standard CRT TVs.

It is sad CRT’s seem to be no longer manufactured. Seeing a Ms. Pac Man machine with a 16:9 LCD grafted into the cabinet just looks wrong.

I bought three new Happ Vision Pro 19" CRT arcade monitors in 2007, just before everyone stopped making CRT arcade monitors. I put them in my Atari Missile Command, SNK Ikari Warriors, and Capcom Street Fighter II machines. They are still like new because I don’t put many hours on my arcade machines (the same goes for the 32" TV I bought in 2005). My Nintendo Super Punch-Out machine has its original pair of Nintendo/Sanyo 20-Z2AW monitors (Nintendo monitors are a special case; they invert the colors and have a built-in audio amplifier, so they aren’t easily replaced with a standard arcade monitor), but I swapped in a pair of like-new, burn-free picture tubes (which took a long time to find), replaced all of the electrolytic capacitors, and put in new flyback transformers.

I hate that CRTs are no longer manufactured, especially with regard to CRT arcade monitors. If I didn’t have CRT monitors for my machines I’d rather never play them again than put LCDs or any other form of digital display in them. But in addition to the CRT monitors I already have installed in them, all of which are like new or refurbished, I also have three spare Nintendo/Sanyo monitors, an Electrohome G07, a Wells-Gardner K7000, and a Wells-Gardner K4900, all of which work. I’m confident that I’m set for life, given that I don’t have any plans to acquire any additional arcade machines (four of them is plenty for me).

I saw one of those once uber expensive Sony HDTV CRT’s just put out on the curb with the trash a couple years back. Always thought those were cool, even if they weighed more than a subcompact car. 😉

The best direct-view HD CRT I’ve ever seen was the HV-M300VSU from the JVC Professional Video line, which had an MSRP of over $4,500 - http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/specs.jsp?model_id=MDL100107&feature_id=03. It is also the best direct-view TV I’ve ever seen, period.

RU.08 said:

Well there was no extra resolution because they were transferred in 1993 in SD. But of course, if they’d bothered to scan the three films in 2006 they could have given us anamorphic DVDs.

Well, that’s beside the point, which is: being able to zoom and crop doesn’t make it as good as a proper anamorphic DVD. However, if there were PAL D1 master tapes for the 1993 laser discs, those have extra vertical resolution compared to NTSC, so you could do an anamorphic DVD transfer without having to upscale it as much.

TV’s Frink said:

Wazzles said:

the people who wanted full screen had to deal with widescreen.

They deserve it. People who want full screen should be locked up.

Pfft send a guard then. I admit widescreens better but the last few days Ive been binge watching my '92 VHS set I got saved to DVDs soooo…sue me.

crissrudd4554 said:

I admit widescreens better

Cool.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I admit widescreens better

Cool.

RU.08 said:

They had already scanned and cleaned that shot for Empire of Dreams.

Isn’t there some debate as to whether or not the GOUT crawl was a recreation?

Darth Lucas said:

RU.08 said:

They had already scanned and cleaned that shot for Empire of Dreams.

Isn’t there some debate as to whether or not the GOUT crawl was a recreation?

There might have been initially, but with the the availability of the 35 mm scans and the chance to directly compare them it reveals they are 100% identical so it is no recreation. It is 100% original.

Can someone explain to me why the GOUT is non-anamorphic? It looks to be the same aspect ratio as the special edition, but the image is smaller. Was anything cropped out? Sorry if this is kind of a newb question, I really don’t have a good understanding of aspect ratios and other film jargon.

I don’t think it was the worst possible format that was the key, I think it was the least amount of effort. It was kind of like “look how the fans are trying to archive the LD and improve on it. Well, we’ve got the master tape so why don’t we just release that and we just transfered the 77 crawl so let’s tack that on there.” We got something better than we had, but not as good as we could have had if they had just taken the interpostives and done a new transfer to DVD. Imagine what a blu-ray from those 1985 interpositives would look? What we want vs. what we got. GL didn’t want to put any effort into it so he just used what they had lying around.

Williarob said:

I was just thinking that it was probably also a deliberate choice to include the letterboxed GOUT with the full screen editions of the 2004 trilogy: If you were buying the full screen set it was probably because you didn’t like the black bars and/or still had a smaller tube TV on which to watch it, in which case the letterboxed GOUT Disc could only look even worse when compared to the clean, ultra sharp, pan and scanned '04 version… Another “See how much better the new SE version is” tactic.

Interestingly though when the original 2 disc E.T. DVD came out it had both the 2002 and 1982 cuts. However, like the 2006 SW DVDs, only the 2002 cut was Pan and Scan if you had the Full Screen edition. Fortunately the 1982 cut was anamorphic though! 😉

It honestly wouldn’t have taken much more work to make acceptable discs out of them either. They just needed to make them anamorphic and few people would have complained. It wouldn’t have been that hard to do pan and scan discs either, since that work had already been done for the 95 tapes.