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Asaki said:

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But like you, I've no idea why Jurassic Park is getting overcropped...

 Wouldn't the 3D version have to be cropped a little bit, to compensate for the 3D effect? One eye is going to see a little more to the left, the other a little more to the right (depending on the amount of stereo separation)...and especially if you watch it in 2D, they'll only show one of the "eyes".

 I think they overdid it as the crop percentage was not uniform, and neither did they adjust the framing for compensating the crop. There are many post converted movies that do not lose as much image as JP 3D has. Think of the 2.35:1 frame of Titanic 3D. Its not as wide as the original framing, but the crop is quite negligible compared to JP.

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Transfomers: The Movie is a good candidate for this. Almost all releases are 4:3 open matte, with the most recent ones having a widescreen option. There was a UK release by Metrodome that had the full 1.43:1 framing pillar boxed within the 16:9 frame. But the compression was worse than the 2006 Sony DVD, and is subjected to a wretched NTSC-PAL mess (why can't these Euro companies do proper PAL conversions with animated titles? Are they really that cheap!?)

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There's been a resurgence of this old, allegedly fullscreen DVD release of the Toho cut of Godzilla 2000: Millennium on eBay recently. I should be getting one of these in the mail sooner or later. If the color timing is anything different from the R2 or the '08 HD version, I'll share my findings.

There's also a Polish PAL DVD of the Mike Schlesinger cut out there that uses the same transfer as the U.S. VHS release with a redone TV safe title card. I also need to track down a better source for the screener master of the U.S. theatrical version.

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Space Hunter M said:

There's been a resurgence of this old, allegedly fullscreen DVD release of the Toho cut of Godzilla 2000: Millennium on eBay recently. I should be getting one of these in the mail sooner or later. If the color timing is anything different from the R2 or the '08 HD version, I'll share my findings.

There's also a Polish PAL DVD of the Mike Schlesinger cut out there that uses the same transfer as the U.S. VHS release with a redone TV safe title card. I also need to track down a better source for the screener master of the U.S. theatrical version.

I know I have a fullscreen vhs version and the US DVD release.  The colors on the vhs are a bit washed out to me.  I also have a Japan DVD release.

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I just today bought the fullscreen DVD of An American Tail. Does anyone know if this is open matte or pan and scan?

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Wazzles said:

I just today bought the fullscreen DVD of An American Tail. Does anyone know if this is open matte or pan and scan?

Open matte. The official widescreen transfers (Region 2 DVD, HDTV airings, Blu-Ray) have almost no extra picture on the sides.

Actually, the widescreen versions have always looked a bit tight to me, I am still not sure whether the official widescreen transfers are all zoomed in too much, or if that's how tight the framing actually was in theaters.

The open-matte transfer is likely still zoomed a bit just to hide the edges of cels and stuff like that, but for it's odd for the widescreen to have essentially NO extra picture on the sides in comparison. I've seen 35mm frames of The Fox and the Hound, The Great Mouse Detective, etc., with cel garbage at the edges of the frames that you don't see in official 4:3 transfers. And I know I have seen widescreen transfers - e.g., the HD airings of The Land Before Time - that have a little extra picture on the sides even with less on the top and bottom. With widescreen transfers they don't have to worry about exposing the top/bottom crap so extra stuff can be shown on the sides. I wonder why An American Tail never has extra image on the sides...maybe someone needs to find a 35mm print.

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TServo2049 said:

Wazzles said:

I just today bought the fullscreen DVD of An American Tail. Does anyone know if this is open matte or pan and scan?

Open matte. The official widescreen transfers (Region 2 DVD, HDTV airings, Blu-Ray) have almost no extra picture on the sides.

Actually, the widescreen versions have always looked a bit tight to me, I am still not sure whether the official widescreen transfers are all zoomed in too much, or if that's how tight the framing actually was in theaters.

The open-matte transfer is likely still zoomed a bit just to hide the edges of cels and stuff like that, but for it's odd for the widescreen to have essentially NO extra picture on the sides in comparison. I've seen 35mm frames of The Fox and the Hound, The Great Mouse Detective, etc., with cel garbage at the edges of the frames that you don't see in official 4:3 transfers. And I know I have seen widescreen transfers - e.g., the HD airings of The Land Before Time - that have a little extra picture on the sides even with less on the top and bottom. With widescreen transfers they don't have to worry about exposing the top/bottom crap so extra stuff can be shown on the sides. I wonder why An American Tail never has extra image on the sides...maybe someone needs to find a 35mm print.

 That's strange that they just didn't use widescreen cells, unless they made the film with home video in mind.

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TServo2049 said:

I've seen 35mm frames of The Fox and the Hound, The Great Mouse Detective, etc., with cel garbage at the edges of the frames that you don't see in official 4:3 transfers.

 

I though The Great Mouse Detective was animated at 1.66 like Oliver and Company (one of the last before the CAPS era). If it was indeed animated at 1.37:1 academy like The Fox and the Hound, how come the VHS releases were so tight compared to the widescreen DVDs and BD? It could be that the 90s VHS's used a master cropped from a theatrical print with the reissue title.

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As you can see, the whole frame is used. I'm willing to bet that the cels not going all the way to the edge of the frame is why the full screen transfers were tighter. This is why a lot of 1.37 animated films aren't completely open-matte.

My point was that An American Tail is open-matte, but that the widescreen has almost no extra picture on the sides, and I don't know why.

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TServo2049 said:

Actually, the widescreen versions have always looked a bit tight to me, I am still not sure whether the official widescreen transfers are all zoomed in too much, or if that's how tight the framing actually was in theaters.

 Aren't Bluth's films usually in 1.66:1?

I remember the Secret of NIMH SE was supposed to have all three aspect ratios, but ended up dropping the 1.66:1 theatrical ratio before release, and only had 4:3 and 16:9.

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I read an article by someone who had worked on transfers of Bluth films while at MGM, and he said you could see animation pegs and unpainted cel edges in the "true" full-frame image. From that it seems that NIMH and/or All Dogs Go to Heaven were shot with the entire Academy ratio exposed, but with the intent to that it would be matted to widescreen by the projectionist. Or basically, they were shot like many live action films of the same era.

(I swear I also saw frames of The Land Before Time on one of the 35mm eBay auctions that had more picture on all four sides than either the 4:3 or 16:9 versions.)

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Too bad, the japanese DVD of Romeros Dawn of the Dead is only widescreen. Japan seems only got the Argento Version in Full Screen. :(

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Holland got the Argento cut in fullscreen as well IIRC. It was part of a two disc set that I owned 

I just got a fullscreen copy of the directors cut if anyone wants caps 

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Jetrell Fo said:

Space Hunter M said:

There's been a resurgence of this old, allegedly fullscreen DVD release of the Toho cut of Godzilla 2000: Millennium on eBay recently. I should be getting one of these in the mail sooner or later. If the color timing is anything different from the R2 or the '08 HD version, I'll share my findings.

There's also a Polish PAL DVD of the Mike Schlesinger cut out there that uses the same transfer as the U.S. VHS release with a redone TV safe title card. I also need to track down a better source for the screener master of the U.S. theatrical version.

I know I have a fullscreen vhs version and the US DVD release.  The colors on the vhs are a bit washed out to me.  I also have a Japan DVD release.

 The Korean DVD is a totally unique transfer. Very vibrant for a release of the Japanese assembly, and there are amusing Engrish subtitles.

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Picked up the R1 DVD of the fullscreen edition of Live Free or Die Hard and can confirm that it's open matte but with some cropping

can post a couple of screen caps if needed

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bigrob said:

Picked up the R1 DVD of the fullscreen edition of Live Free or Die Hard and can confirm that it's open matte but with some cropping

can post a couple of screen caps if needed

 Please post the screenshots and if possible, upload it on a public tracker. Thanks!

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Hi,

anybody has the Full Screen version of The Mask?

I only found a DVDRip...

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Most of the LD releases were widescreen, except for Hong Kong, but that has subtitles.

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Papai2013 said he have The Mask, but must be the DVD not LD.

Also I'm looking for someone how can digitalize The Last of the Mohicans LD.

I already bought 2 LD from eBay, but I could only play the french and used one. The other was the US release (brand new) but I can't play NTSC LDs on my PAL player...

I want that version because I think it's the only place to find the real Theatrical Cut (also it's in VHS which I also bought).

The real Theatrical cut is not in that Sky HDTV, or in any DVD/BluRay I've seen, neither in European DVDs that some people say it the Theatrical one.

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Papai2013 said:

bigrob said:

Picked up the R1 DVD of the fullscreen edition of Live Free or Die Hard and can confirm that it's open matte but with some cropping

can post a couple of screen caps if needed

 Please post the screenshots and if possible, upload it on a public tracker. Thanks!

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