Info: Evidence of TFA Changes in Blu-ray? — Page 4

schorman13 said:

Well, she has a line there in the CAM bootleg version, so…

Seconded. There are two different main cam sources with different audio tracks with differences between the two that I’ve noticed. She does say a line in one of them.

Ryan-SWI said:

schorman13 said:

Well, she has a line there in the CAM bootleg version, so…

Seconded. There are two different main cam sources with different audio tracks with differences between the two that I’ve noticed. She does say a line in one of them.

The cam videos come from non-English versions of the film, from what I’ve seen. Is the audio a sort of patchwork from multiple sources, or is it a straight rip of the English audio?

darthrush said:

Out of the 5 times I saw it I remember no line.

How many times you saw it in the cinema and your experience has been proven to be a pointless claim many times, not just with TFA. I saw it around 9 times and know what I heard, but that alone means nothing because you need proof to back it up.

The source isn’t foreign, it’s English.
There are two different audio tracks, though nobody has been able to pinpoint where the two tracks come from.
We’ve already been through this with the old BB-8 discussion that for some reason was dismissed as “nothing.”
Obviously it isn’t nothing, there were clearly two audio tracks floating around during the theatrical run which had obvious (and most importantly, multiple) differences between the two.
This isn’t just a “Luke shot twice” scenario. There is actual proof that there are audio discrepancies, hard evidence is the polar opposite of anecdotal.

The biggest problem we’re having is the fact that there are two audio sources.
Someone makes a claim, then another person runs to their cam copy and “debunks” it. The only way to debunk it is to look at both versions, but for some reason this hasn’t been properly discussed yet. Hopefully with the new light being shun upon this “deleted line”, people will start to take more notice.

I’m not linking/showing anything because we haven’t been told when that’s allowed yet.
When it is, I’ll be blowing up this thread with everything I’ve found in the past month.

Though as far as I can tell, all the differences between the theatrical and BD release have to do with the audio, I’m yet to find any different imagery, or lack-thereof.

I’m getting the feeling the Blu-Ray’s sound mix is much like the '83 laserdisc for SW, and might not completely reflect either cam rip audio mix. I guess the major point of contention will be where these rips came from, and that I don’t know if TFA had separate stereo, mono, and surround mixes.

If it did have distinct mixes, then that’s probably why the cam rips sound different.

SOMETIMES IM GLAD IVE EVOLVED TO A HIGHER STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS

I just checked what I have (after the changes in the past I consider camera prints to be invaluable assets) and I have two distinct audio mixes in English. Unless they did extra mixing and her lines are actually from a foreign language version of the audio, then there were multiple audio sources and the BR represents one of them. I will compare more when I have more time.

I’m not sure about the Blu Ray, but I looked at the subtitles on the Google Play version.

It has subtitles for BB-8 driving to the falcon and the woman at Maz’s castle despite not having any dialogue. (They aren’t interesting; just stating the obvious: (BB-8 chirps) and (SPEAKING ALIEN DIALECT)).

I wonder what that’s supposed to mean? Did they intend to give us a mix with both but gave us a mix with neither?

I doubt it. Netflix does that sort of shit with movies all the time.

It’s in the English subtitles on the blu-ray as well.

I am glad that months later we can all finally agree a BB-8 chirp is missing, at least from one of the mixes.
Thank God. I was almost convinced I was going insane.

Come on, the kingergarten is in the main Star Wars forum.

TheHutt said:

Come on, the kingergarten is in the main Star Wars forum.

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JawsTDS said:

Could someone maybe post a soundbyte of the line? I’ll analyze the centre channel from the Blu-ray and see if there’s anything to be heard.

Here is a clip with the soundbyte in question. I have two copies that have this and one notes that the audio is from the UK. I checked the DVD and there is nothing audible in French, Spanish, or English.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B99_EmD83rgxb2lHVDlXdEFNejA

captainsolo said:

Owyn_Merrilin said:

captainsolo said:

Holy…you can see the hard brickwall cutoff in that waveform. WTF Disney?? I don’t even like the film and I feel bad. BD at home allows for greater dynamic range than the usual terrible theatrical presentations of today…and usually it is left as-is for modern releases…until now. We’ve been fighting loudness in music since the mid 90’s and now it’s coming in movies…come on…what is wrong with people??

You can thank all the people who complain about how movie dialogue is too quiet compared to the music and sound effects for this one – the fact that it’s only the center channel that was brick walled makes that abundantly clear. It sucks, because the biggest reason they have those problems is that people are either watching on a crappy soundbar or the built in speakers of their TV, or they have a surround sound system but it’s got tiny little drivers that they didn’t bother to calibrate. I swear, studios should start tossing in a lossily (not to mention dynamically) compressed track for people like this and having the disc default to it, so those of us who care can go in and switch to the good track, and the people who don’t won’t notice but will also stop complaining.

Handman said:

It has indeed. I think on 4k discs, though.

Yeah, it’s out there. I think on normal blu-rays, not just the 4K ones (which I’m pretty sure aren’t out yet, and definitely weren’t when the home version of Atmos first came out). It’s kind of irrelevant to this discussion, though, since there’s very few commercial theaters that are equipped to play an Atmos track at this point, so new movies still need theatrical 5.1 tracks.

Edit: Added the reply to Handman instead of double posting.

That would be lovely. A relative few number of DVDs have that option or try to explain to people. I try telling my family this stuff but they don’t care whatsoever. That’s the issue here so I think they should either just do it or provide a simple static screen with a quick explanation and a choice.

Not everyone can afford surround sound systems. A lot of DVD releases had stereo and 5.1 mixes, and I wish that they would still do that for Blu Rays.

as far as changes go, i know they reworked the end credits score. when rey’s theme is first heard in the theatrical version of the end credits, it’s a much different tone from the original track, whereas on the blu ray it’s just the same tone as the original theme. you can check out the differences in the end credits track and rey’s theme on the official soundtrack. would love to change it back to the original.