Info: Evidence of TFA Changes in Blu-ray? — Page 2

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ThiefCobbler4ever said:

So wait, what’s been changed?

Incidentally, amazing. Even with George Lucas gone (no offense)

Who’s offended by this?

clutchins said:

So now we have to find the theatrical mix?

I can offer the German one.

dkeighobadi said:

And I don’t agree with anyone who says the color was changed.

I don’t want to disagree, but I’m going to have to. The stormtroopers at the beginning that were practically green are now neutral white. I’m sure of it. Even the flags in that comparison photo…

Oh, sorry I might’ve been unclear. The color was definitely changed from the trailers (for the better). I was referring to people who are 100% certain the film’s color was changed overall since the theatrical release.

I still thought the BD sound was better than what I heard in theaters. The theater sound didn’t have enough bass, punch, or impact. The star wars theme in the opening crawl didn’t have near the impact I remember it having when I saw ROTS in the same theater. Although it is possible the speakers haven’t been maintained well.

But are we certain there wasn’t multiple sound mixes anyway? And I know I’m in the minority but limiting the center channel (and the center channel only) makes sense. Ensures the dialogue is always clear and constant. To me dialogue shouldn’t vary in actual volume. The acting can Use expression to “imply” difference in volume but the actual volume of the audio should stay constant. Old movies often did this and it worked well. When somebody whispers it’s still the same volume yet there’s no trouble discerning that it’s a whisper.

Note that I’m ONLY talking about the dialogue/center channel.

Possessed said:

I still thought the BD sound was better than what I heard in theaters. The theater sound didn’t have enough bass, punch, or impact. The star wars theme in the opening crawl didn’t have near the impact I remember it having when I saw ROTS in the same theater. Although it is possible the speakers haven’t been maintained well.

Well, I for one thought the theme sounded kinda weak both in the theater, on the soundtrack CD and on the BD. I think it’s just a matter of the performance itself lacking intensity.
Though I agree with your point about dialogue volume. I tend to find in live action movies (animated films rarely have this issue) that I have to put the subtitles for the hard of hearing on, simply because the dialogue is often drowned out by the sound-effects. And for what it’s worth, I did not have this problem in TFA.

Lord Starfish said:

Possessed said:

I still thought the BD sound was better than what I heard in theaters. The theater sound didn’t have enough bass, punch, or impact. The star wars theme in the opening crawl didn’t have near the impact I remember it having when I saw ROTS in the same theater. Although it is possible the speakers haven’t been maintained well.

Well, I for one thought the theme sounded kinda weak both in the theater, on the soundtrack CD and on the BD. I think it’s just a matter of the performance itself lacking intensity.
Though I agree with your point about dialogue volume. I tend to find in live action movies (animated films rarely have this issue) that I have to put the subtitles for the hard of hearing on, simply because the dialogue is often drowned out by the sound-effects. And for what it’s worth, I did not have this problem in TFA.

Part of the reason for the perceived lack of intensity is because John Williams did not conduct the opening theme for TFA. They instead brought in a guest conductor, Gustavo Dudamel, who is the conductor for the Los Angeles Philharmonic.

And it’s not the wonderful London Symphony Orchestra that we’re used to. It’s weird. I think the whole score sounds great, and the orchestra performs brilliantly. But whereas (for example) the jump from LSO with Raiders Of The Lost Ark to an American studio orchestra for Temple Of Doom didn’t feel like a step down in quality, the Main Title in TFA sounds like a slightly naff warm up take. Shame. And a bit off topic. Sorry 😃

nafroe said:

Lord Starfish said:

Possessed said:

I still thought the BD sound was better than what I heard in theaters. The theater sound didn’t have enough bass, punch, or impact. The star wars theme in the opening crawl didn’t have near the impact I remember it having when I saw ROTS in the same theater. Although it is possible the speakers haven’t been maintained well.

Well, I for one thought the theme sounded kinda weak both in the theater, on the soundtrack CD and on the BD. I think it’s just a matter of the performance itself lacking intensity.
Though I agree with your point about dialogue volume. I tend to find in live action movies (animated films rarely have this issue) that I have to put the subtitles for the hard of hearing on, simply because the dialogue is often drowned out by the sound-effects. And for what it’s worth, I did not have this problem in TFA.

Part of the reason for the perceived lack of intensity is because John Williams did not conduct the opening theme for TFA. They instead brought in a guest conductor, Gustavo Dudamel, who is the conductor for the Los Angeles Philharmonic.

Huh. That’s interesting. I don’t know anything about how to describe music properly, but those first few seconds of the theme did feel weak/bare. After that, it sounds totally fine to me. But admittedly, those first few notes in the opening are iconic.

Why did they have a guest conductor at that point? Though Williams is still talented, perhaps perfect emulation is not something he could pull off either?

I know they re-used the theme from TPM in AoTC. But that may have been since he was pressed for time with AoTC in general. Are there any other films with the main theme re-used, or are the rest original recordings for each film?

towne32 said:
I know they re-used the theme from TPM in AoTC. But that may have been since he was pressed for time with AoTC in general. Are there any other films with the main theme re-used, or are the rest original recordings for each film?

I believe ROTS also uses the TPM theme.

Frank your Majesty said:

GrizzlyAdams said:

And it’s not the wonderful London Symphony Orchestra that we’re used to. It’s weird. I think the whole score sounds great, and the orchestra performs brilliantly. But whereas (for example) the jump from LSO with Raiders Of The Lost Ark to an American studio orchestra for Temple Of Doom didn’t feel like a step down in quality, the Main Title in TFA sounds like a slightly naff warm up take. Shame. And a bit off topic. Sorry 😃

Are you saying there is a bigger difference between today’s LSO and the orchestra from TFA than the difference between the 1977 LSO and the 2005 LSO?

The LSO of today is a poor rehash of the 1977 LSO.

Colson said:

TR2N said:

clutchins said:

So now we have to find the theatrical mix?

I can offer the German one.

German dub?

Yepp

I say just the opposite on the opening themes dynanmic range if you will. Ive always thought the audio tracks on all the movies, was weak. I throw in another movie and my sub is hitting properly, the music fills the room and then switch back to SW and its dull to me. TFA’s opening theme on BD is by far the best sounding/recorded/mixed of the previous 7 IMO. Maybe Im wrong and Ill have to sit and listen to them all again.

I think some of the dialogue is a good bit clearer on the blu-ray. There are a number of lines I couldn’t make out after six viewings in the theater that are clear as day on the disc.

joefavs said:

I think some of the dialogue is a good bit clearer on the blu-ray. There are a number of lines I couldn’t make out after six viewings in the theater that are clear as day on the disc.

I second this. On my first viewing I didn’t hear the Obi wan line at all. Second time I had to really struggle to hear it and only did because I was told about it and knew to listen. On the bluray, clear as day.

I’m not sure that it’s really possible to say much about a difference in the mix when the sound setup and acoustics are as different as they can possibly be. Right?

I agree that the sound mix seems good enough by my ear, though I’m not very sensitive to that kind of thing. The evidence of the center channel dynamic range walling seems pretty clear cut anyway, though.

Yeah, the fact that I’ve only got a 5.1 setup to listen on is enough to make me skittish about critiquing this 7.1 mix before even getting into acoustics. All I’ll say is that the speech is clearer on my 5.1 system in my low-ceilinged basement than it was in the theater. Whether that’s the mix itself or the room I’m in, I don’t know (or frankly care, since I don’t see my home viewing conditions changing dramatically any time soon barring a lottery win).

It’s that limiting on the center channel everyone swears is so evil.

Now if all the channels were like that that’s when you complain.