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Info: Enough of the "Censorship" and "PURITY" threads

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Okay, SO after endless days of this illuminating… nah, needless and paedomorphic debate*

LET’S PLEASE agree,

1st - ANY CHANGES to the original films - BE IT color correction, gamma correction or whatever - VOIDS it from being called the ORIGINAL TRILOGY as they are NO longer the “Original UNALTERED Version” - SO - Only straight untouched Laserdisc and VHS transfers can be considered a part of the “ORIGINAL TRILOGY PRESERVATION” - PERIOD

2nd - ANY CHANGES made to the films (again… color correction, aspect ratio change, cut and paste, new effects or ANY CHANGE) is considered an ALTERATION ~ AND will now be called EDITS - So to reiterate, IF you add, correct or alter in ANY way the ORIGINAL laserdisc/VHS transfer it is NOT the Original Trilogy… But YOUR Edit (just like MagnoliaFan and the Phantom Editor) PERIOD

  • SO let’s PLEASE move beyond ANY changes made by Lucas, MagnoliaFan, MeBeJedi, Mverta or any other aspiring editors in THEIR collective endeavors.

END of story.

*= euphemism
 

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“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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I hate to do this to you Rik.

It is capatalistic to present those definitions and expect all others to agree to them.

Don't flame me. I will provide an alternative.

This is what we can agree on:

All transfers of the star wars trilogy, from the first theatrical prints to the 2004 special edition is unique in some way or another.
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"It is capatalistic to present those definitions and expect all others to agree to them."

Yet you expect everyone to "see some sense" and agree with you? Apparently anything that contradicts you is capitalistic. What a convenient way to negate everyone else's opinion (and I do mean everyone) I guess that's the extent one must go to when one is all there is who accept your argument.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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We're drowning in needless debate in relation to something that is supposed to be fun.

The only unaltered version of Star Wars is the one that played in theaters. If we were to use DanielB's definition of what the "original" trilogy is then it would be the made only with elements created at the time or prior to its theaterical release. DanielB said that minor changes Lucas made up to 1993 didn't bother him much (i.e. could still be called original), but the only original was only seen between 1977-and 78 for a re-run. This is the only one that could and should be called "unaltered."

One thing has been made abundantly clear through all of the versions that have come out. Lucas and his crew don't have an eye for detail. If they did, the glaring errors here and there throughout the trilogy would have been corrected.

Lucas can have a few minor differences, IF he's using the original material. That I'm fine with.


MeBeJedi is catching flack over just a few frames of lightsaber cleanup. If the "method" and/or "process" that MeBeJedi is using is something that was created prior to Star Wars coming out, and it is a method that Lucas revolutionized in his movies anyway, wouldn't that be nearly the same thing as using the original "material?"

Now I've got an analogy for DanielB. When trying to preserve an old book, the people doing so have to go to some great lengths. Let's say that a page has come out of it and it is in such bad condition that it cannot be reattached to the binding. The job that they are faced with is copying the text from that page onto a new page and attaching it to the binding while keeping the look and feel of the original document. This could entail using paper stock from the region it was produced, using a array of inks that were special to the time period it was published, etc. The overall purpose though is to make the new page look and feel like the original document, while making it stronger than the original that had come out.

Now let's compare this to what MeBeJedi is doing. Several frames in the movie have noteable effects errors. He takes the effects a frame at a time, duplicates the methods (albeit an updated version of the methods) that were used to accomplish the original effects, and prserves an effect that had been looked over. The result is one that looks and feels like the original frames, but is stronger/better than the original. So in essence, when you talk about preserving film history, MeBeJedi already is.

Honestly, I see this entire debate as being rather silly. I am simply playing the devil's advocate for what can and cannot be called "original" and "unaltered."

Rock on MeBeJedi.
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Originally posted by: DanielB
I hate to do this to you Rik.

It is capatalistic to present those definitions and expect all others to agree to them.

Don't flame me. I will provide an alternative.

This is what we can agree on:

All transfers of the star wars trilogy, from the first theatrical prints to the 2004 special edition is unique in some way or another.


- BLAH BLAH BLAH - Enough already "Jimbo"

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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CAPITALISM RULES!

cap·i·tal·ism Audio pronunciation of "capitalism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kp-tl-zm)
n.

An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.


What the heck are you talking about anyway?

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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3rd - All Star Wars films have been censored and to deny this is capitalistic.
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Originally posted by: consumer_x
3rd - All Star Wars films have been censored and to deny this is capitalistic.
Censored by what? The very grain on your eyes? The fact you don't see a flat picture? What exactly?

See, digital scractch removal I'm fine with (so long as the scratch wasn't there originally). Digitally removing some of the LD's grain and haloing effect is okay too - only because that's something the LD intyroduced, and you are trying to restore it to its original state. But touching up effects - that's like digital colourization.
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Guys, let's follow DigitalMan's advice and ignore Daniel. He's going to do his own capitalistic thing, and we'll do ours.

As Rikter said, enough with these threads.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>