Electro-Magnetic Thread

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Tesla sat on my Christmas pudding (not a euphemism) lucky I hadn't decorated it with Holly (she'd never have forgiven me).

No new material eh, Abes? You posted a link to that Tesla video a year or more ago.

Hmm, just a thought, but that video constantly bemoans the fact that nobody has ever heard of Nikola Tesla and that he is all but forgotten. Is he really that obscure? I remember learning about him in school and being fascinated with him ever since. He also pops up in popular culture fairly often. The video game Red Alert has been using his name from the early nineties until present, with the most recent game in the series coming out just a couple of years ago. The film The Prestige featured him as an important character to the plot (though a very sciencefictionized version of him), and Fallout 3 features a book you can find lying around the wasteland called Nikola Tesla and Me, that increases your science skill when read.

Throughout my whole life he has never been that obscure, yet I constantly hear about how very obscure he is.

As for Philo Farnsworth and Dr. Rife: I remember reading about Farnsworth as a child and always being really sympathetic to him. Always having been a bit of a Neo Luddite, even as a child, I absolutely loved the idea of the man who invented the television living to deeply regret it. He is definitely obscure, and deserves more credit, though perhaps not as much as some of his supporters claim.

Dr. Rife on the other hand... there is absolutely no reason to believe the man's "cure for all diseases" ever worked. In fact, consider the "too good to be true" factor of that claim. Cures all diseases? You know what they say about things that are too good to be true... they usually are. So, Rife's claims were unable to be replicated (meaning, they didn't work) and so were rejected. Rife, not appreciating rejection, apparently, claimed it was a conspiracy among the AMA to discredit him and suppress his research. The only reason we even know Rife's name today is because people are drawn to a good conspiracy theory, coupled with the warm fuzzies one gets from the thought that there is a single cure for every disease. I'd like to believe that was true too, it would be amazing. But it was an outrageous claim that the claimer was never able to substantiate, so there is no reason to grant it any validity.

CP3S said:

As for Philo Farnsworth and Dr. Rife: I remember reading about Farnsworth as a child and always being really sympathetic to him. Always having been a bit of a Neo Luddite, even as a child, I absolutely loved the idea of the man who invented the television living to deeply regret it. He is definitely obscure, and deserves more credit, though perhaps not as much as some of his supporters claim.

John Logie Baird constantly complains to me about this.

Forgive me for this, but I could not resist.

This thread is soooooo ABC.

CP3S said:

Rife, not appreciating rejection, apparently, claimed it was a conspiracy among the AMA to discredit him and suppress his research.

Loads of money at stake makes for some good suppression. Drug companies have the money and power behind them to discredit and suppress whatever they like, and care nothing for human life. The whole "germ theory" was conceived by the ethically-challenged Pasteur when they should have been listening to Bechamp; the medical paradigm is based on treatment when it should be based on prevention - something that will never happen while society is driven by the almighty dollar.

Edison said "The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest her or his patients in the care of the human frame, in a proper diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease." I think he underestimated the scope of human greed and stupidity.

doubleKO said:

CP3S said:

Rife, not appreciating rejection, apparently, claimed it was a conspiracy among the AMA to discredit him and suppress his research.

Loads of money at stake makes for some good suppression. Drug companies have the money and power behind them to discredit and suppress whatever they like, and care nothing for human life.

Thus proving there was a device invented in the 1930's that can cure cancer along with any other disease?

If Rife's discovery was real, he would have taken it to other sources, shown it to people, saved lives with it, proved it was real. If not in America, in some other country. If I discovered something that could cure any disease (which would, without a doubt, change the world more than any other invention ever made by man), I'd fight until my dying breath to get it out in the open. If I could really cure any disease (or even just cancer, would be pretty amazing), I'd have no problem succeeding in getting that word out.

The whole "germ theory" was conceived by the ethically-challenged Pasteur when they should have been listening to Bechamp; the medical paradigm is based on treatment when it should be based on prevention - something that will never happen while society is driven by the almighty dollar.

[Insert quadruple face palm gif here]

That sounds all cool and anti-establishment and shit, definitely the sort of thing I have a natural tendency to want to get behind, the only problem is that "germ theory" is very easily proven even in amateur settings (i.e. we don't need an AMA controlled environment or equipment to prove germ theory). To ascribe to germ theory denialism, you have to throw out everything we know (know meaning what can be seen and observed) about microorganisms. Germ theory denialism is so far out there, you have to have a very poor grasp on the science to be able to take it seriously. The AMA may be a big greedy entity with loads of wealth and power, but even if they are, they'd have to rig every microscope in the world and be able to practice influence over the bodies of every human being and animal on the planet in order for germ theory to stand as firmly as it does if it is a conspiracy.

Edison said "The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest her or his patients in the care of the human frame, in a proper diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease." I think he underestimated the scope of human greed and stupidity.

Prevention is a very large part of medicine today. Doctors do push the care of the human frame, proper diet, and prevention of disease. The real thing Edison didn't understand wasn't the scope of human greed, but the scope of peoples' general lack in desire to be healthy.

XyZ said:

I'm affraid CP3Z will only buy the common usual admitted knowledge until it would become by chance, official.

No, I don't buy anything, it has nothing to do with being "official", I am skeptical of many "official" things. I believe in the methods that can be proven, and not the ones contrary to real evidence.

To follow DoubleKo's idea I know for instance a lot efforts (and money ?) are spent to discredit and ridiculise the Kirlian Photography (Electro-Magnetic discharge imaging) wich allows to see the invisible aura of men, plants, objects. This can make visible your state of health. I just don't understand all the sceptiscism around this, if not with DoubleKo's sad statement.

People are skeptical of Kirlian Photography because many people claim it is something it is not. It isn't because being able to see people's auras and figure out the state of their health based on those auras would crush the lucrative healthcare industry, it is because all evidence indicates that Kirlian Photography isn't dealing with some mysterious supernatural life force, but rather with properties of electricity which we fully understand. In other words: the electricity in those charged metal plates necessary for taking a Kirlian photo are 100% responsible for the aura we see in the photos. Kirlian photography is really cool, it produces some really nifty looking photos. But you're not looking at anyone's "aura" and it doesn't tell you anything about their state of health. If it can be shown objectively to tell us anything of a person's state of health, I'll believe it. If that was the case, a lot of other people would believe it too. Not believing in it has nothing to do with greed or "the man" or "the establishment", and everything to do with it being absolutely retarded with no basis in anything.

CP3S said:

That sounds all cool and anti-establishment and shit, definitely the sort of thing I have a natural tendency to want to get behind, the only problem is that "germ theory" is very easily proven even in amateur settings (i.e. we don't need an AMA controlled environment or equipment to prove germ theory). To ascribe to germ theory denialism, you have to throw out everything we know (know meaning what can be seen and observed) about microorganisms. Germ theory denialism is so far out there, you have to have a very poor grasp on the science to be able to take it seriously. The AMA may be a big greedy entity with loads of wealth and power, but even if they are, they'd have to rig every microscope in the world and be able to practice influence over the bodies of every human being and animal on the planet in order for germ theory to stand as firmly as it does if it is a conspiracy.

There could never be an AMA conspiracy! Except for maybe the three or four times that they were convicted of um... conspiracy. Pleomorphism will eventually be accepted as fact as more scientists view it in action through dark field microscopes.

While it is ridiculous to deny the existence of communicable disease, it is equally ridiculous to accept a germ theory based on strictly monomorphic pathogens. But that's where the MONEY is.

doubleKO said:

While it is ridiculous to deny the existence of communicable disease, it is equally ridiculous to accept a germ theory based on strictly monomorphic pathogens. But that's where the MONEY is.

Not according to my bank manager.

I said:

"The AMA may be a big greedy entity with loads of wealth and power, but even if they are, they'd have to rig every microscope in the world and be able to practice influence over the bodies of every human being and animal on the planet in order for germ theory to stand as firmly as it does if it is a conspiracy."

You (doubleKO) responded:

"There could never be an AMA conspiracy! Except for maybe the three or four times that they were convicted of um... conspiracy."

I never said there could never be an AMA conspiracy. I simply said the provable evidence all firmly indicates that germ theory is accurate, and that for there to be an AMA conspiracy at the level you are suggesting they'd have to be able to exercise incredible power over every organism and tool for viewing microorganisms in order to create all this "false" evidence supporting germ theory. But since they've committed conspiracy in the past (not as exciting or intriguing as it sounds if you take the time to read about those cases), I am clearly wrong and your belief that a man once discovered a way to cure "all disease" but was suppressed by the greedy AMA is entirely justified.