Does Tom Have That Right?

Tom Of Gallifrey asks :

Listen: if someone who knew the future pointed out a child to you, and told you that that child would grow up totally evil, to be a ruthless dictator who would destroy millions of lives, could you then kill that child?

Do I have the right? Simply touch one wire against the other and that's it. The Daleks cease to exist. Hundreds of millions of people, thousands of generations can live without fear, in peace, and never even know the word "Dalek". 

But if I kill. Wipe out a whole intelligent life form, then I become like them. I'd be no better than the Daleks.

VOTE NOW!!

Yes, the Daleks are evil. Kill them.

Sarah Jane Smith says :

We're talking about the Daleks. The most evil creatures ever invented. You must destroy them. You must complete your mission for the Time Lords.

Bingowings said:

Tom Of Gallifrey asks :

But if I kill. Wipe out a whole intelligent life form, then I become like them. I'd be no better than the Daleks.

This observation has never made sense to me.  It seems to me that there is a world of difference between a living being that takes one life with great reluctance, only because it would save many, and a group of ruthless living beings that deliberately seek universal conquest and destruction of other life forms.

I vote yes, but only on the strict terms in which this has been presented.

edited - I vote yes to ...could you then kill that child?  not to does Tom have the right? to which I vote no.

I vote YES.

Not like it matters, the fuckers keep turning up again anyway.

xhonzi said:

Yes, I say Batman is responsible for every death the Joker has caused once Batman knew he was a serial killer and didn't kill him.

Life is sacred, and whether you believe that a serial killer's life is just as sacred as one of his victims, it very easily becomes a math problem.  1 Joker or 100s of victims.  Smoke the frinker.

I would agree IF Batman knew that putting him behind bars would only result in the Joker escaping again and again.   In real like criminals do not escape from jail as frequently as the do in comic books.  

xhonzi said:

Oh, and I vote Tom gets a haircut.

hell no to that.   You don't mess with the 4th doctor. 

Dave Ross Of Skaro says:

Evil? No, no, I will not accept that. They are conditioned simply to survive. They can only survive by becoming the dominant species. When all other life forms are suppressed, when the Daleks are the supreme rulers of the universe, then, you will have peace. Wars will end. They are a power not of evil. but of good.

xhonzi said: Oh, and I vote Tom gets a haircut.

Now that is the kind of poll I like to see around here!  Are you reading this, Bingowings?  Honestly, posting a poll about an ethical dilemma when we could be arguing about far more important matters such as hairstyles.

FanFiltration said:

I am sick of people involving themselves in other peoples lives (and death).  Mind your own darn business, Doctor whoever you are!

What about the haircut though?  Surely, that can kind of involvement in other people's affairs must come as a relief to every living being.

FanFiltration said:

What if the Daleks's historic rampage of murder had in fact stopped a number of potentially worse and much more harmful beings from coming into existence?

but what if they didn't ?  what if the Daleks keep a number of MLks and Gandhis from coming into existence?  

You can't refuse to stop the Daleks by just assuming that the people the Daleks will kill are evil.  Now if you had some sort of proof that the people the Daleks would kill would turn out to be evil, that would be another thing.   In Bingowings question, we were not given that type of evidence.   All we know is what the Daleks will become.

FanFiltration said:

  Mind your own darn business, Doctor whoever you are!

perhaps you have never watched Dr. Who?

Chewtobacca said:

FanFiltration said:

I am sick of people involving themselves in other peoples lives (and death).  Mind your own darn business, Doctor whoever you are!

What about the haircut though?  Surely, that can kind of involvement in other people's affairs must come as a relief to every living being.

Dave Ross of The Crucible says :

Electrical energy, Mr Chewtobacca. Every atom in existence is bound by an electrical field. The reality bomb cancels it out, structure falls apart.

Across the entire universe, never stopping, never faltering, never fading. People and planets and stars even Tom's hair, will become dust. And the dust will become atoms and the atoms will become... nothing...This is my ultimate victory, THE DESTRUCTION OF REALITY ITSELF!

Yeah.

Tom kinda dropped the ball on that one, actually.

Bingowings said:

Dave Ross of The Crucible says :

.This is my ultimate victory, THE DESTRUCTION OF REALITY ITSELF!

lol!  Now you're talking! 

Commissioner Delgado (currently resident of the Ogron Homeworld) says:

We'll see who rules the galaxy when this is over...Stupid Tin Boxes!

I am still waiting for your take on the matter of Tom's haircut, Bingo -- before it is destroyed alongside the rest of reality of course.

Paul Of Gallifrey says :

At least he doesn't have to wear a wig...BTW I'm half human, on my mother's side.

Susan Campbell nee Foreman (resident of 22nd Century London) says : 

You see Grandfather is always doing this sort of thing he's always getting innocent bystanders into trouble and lying through his new teeth.

Half-human, utter nonsense, next he'll be saying he is under 1000 years old.

When we landed on Skaro the Daleks were nothing. Living underground stuck in those flimsy machine bodies, hardly more sophisticated than Dodgem cars.

They didn't even believe in non-Skaroian life let alone time travel, all they were interested in was killing off the Thals.

He had to see the Dalek city for himself didn't he?

He had to put his nose in where it didn't belong.

He nearly got Ian, Barbara and myself killed by wrecking the fluid link to the Tardis and making us wear anti-radiation gloves, one of his silly inventions that never worked.

Before you know it the Daleks know about life on other planets and they know about time machines so it was inevitable that they would invade other worlds and start experimenting with time travel.

Back home this flags up a danger to Gallifrey so they send him back before all this to 'sort out the problem before it get's serious'.

They couldn't have sent someone sensible no they send silly old grandfather and what does he do?

He tells Davros about all the defeats the Daleks would have suffered in their future and Davros programs this into their databanks, what's more they then get the concept of alien worlds and time travel a lot earlier AND have the name of the race that tried to wipe them out before they were born.

It will all end in tears, you mark my words.

I'm just glad to be out of it all, time travel has ruined my ankles.

FanFiltration said:

Warbler said:

FanFiltration said:

  Mind your own darn business, Doctor whoever you are!

perhaps you have never watched Dr. Who?

 

I was just trying to be humorous. And yes, I have seen "Doctor Who". Not to name drop or anything, but I was a personal friend of Patrick Troughton's for a number of years before his death.  I've also attended a private dinner with Mr. Troughton, John Nathan-Turner , and Colin Baker in New York City in 1984. I had worked for a AM/FM radio station in New Jersey in the 80's, and would have lots of the Creation Convention guests over to the station for promotions and interviews when they would come over. Because of a mix up with transportation, the creation people did not have a nice car to drive Patrick Troughton to his hotel from the station. I had my parents town car and offered my services. On the drive, I had some wonderful conversation with him and we stayed in contact for the few years before his death.  I met with him 3 more times in the United States and once on my trip to London.

One of the most wonderful people I have ever met.  His autograph in my "Doctor Who: a Celebration" hardcover book is one of my most prized possessions.

cool!

Hmmm...this poll does not appear to be formatted in the off-topic standard of "should (ot.com member x) resume (activity y)?"

Therefore, I refuse to vote.  Plus, this all went right over my head, except for the haircut vote.  To which I vote, yes, get a haircut, you dirty hippie!

Sutekh (currently resident of Egypt) says :

This debate is without meaning. The humans, animals, birds, fish, reptiles, Daleks. All life is my enemy. All life shall perish under the reign of Sutekh the Destroyer even you plaything of Sutekh.

Abslom Daak (currently knee deep in Dalek guts) says:

Kill every last stinking Dalek in the galaxy!

Wilfredo Arandela recomendia :

BANG!

FanFiltration said:

"You have a woman's hair style!"

I'll warrant that hair's never been used to rope a pair of sea turtles on a desert island and save a Captain!