Obviously I didn’t mean they literally created the 50s character Supergirl. I meant they were trying to create a successful rival for the Superman movies and got it all wrong.
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Just saw the reveal. Not much to go on yet. I just hope that she is sufficiently “quirky”. That to me is one of the most important features of the Doctor. In the clip she seems a bit too normal (for lack of a better word).
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I would have announced a doctory male actor and a female actor so that everyone would assume she was the companion when the location photos started to leak and then do the switcheroo at Christmas and surprise everyone.
That is a fantastic idea and no doubt would have put quite a few fans on their ears. I’m very shocked at the hate for this change. I suspect it’s actually insecurity. The Who board blew up as expected.
To the point of your idea working, there was one post from a guy who had heard the news before he could see the reveal and he was asking if it actually said she was the new Doctor. She could still be the companion he said. There was an air of desperation in his post, as though the world may not have ended after all.
Where many fans feel uncertainty, possibly in their own feelings as well as the show, I feel a relief that I’ve been wanting for a few years. Relief that the show is getting the refresh it’s needed with a new Doctor, companion, and executive producer all at once. Maybe we can get away from the sappy/silly/All Existence Depends On This type of stories.
I’m sorry for how I acted earlier. I am still not a fan of making the Doctor a woman, but I shouldn’t have blown up as much as I did about it.
We have seen / been told that Gallifreyans regenerate into a different sex before too - The Corsair or The Master/Missy for example…
There’s that tired excuse again. This “precedent” was created after Moffat was accused of sexism and the new fangirls started demanding a female Doctor. Since then to combat that image he kowtowed and started to introduce those elements. Nowhere in the classic series is something like this hinted at. If NuWho can’t get the Doctor’s age right, I’m certainly not going to trust it with something like this.
I’ll be watching the Christmas Special and first episode of series 11 but will probably be stopping after that. I would not be surprised to see the show’s ratings start to drop after this.
Not so much a ‘tired excuse’ if it is new, no?
To me it’s all the same series - Doctor Who.
We also recently saw a Gallifreyan regenerate from an old white man into a young black woman - just seemed to be part of the Gallifreyan life.
Did it ever happen before Missy came along? Did it ever happen in the old series? We went 50 years without a regeneration causing a gender change. Moffat added that capability for PC reasons, as oojason said.
I certainly didn’t say it was for pc reasons.
Correct, you didn’t. I don’t know how I thought you had said that. I should have said “as Tobar said”. Again, you have my apologies.
At least give her a chance before you jump ship. By all accounts she is an excellent actress, people love working with her, and the new show runner has worked with her before.
I gave Capaldi and the rewritten Clara a few episodes before I bailed. Hell, I even saw TPM before bailing on all things Lucas. 😉
I’m not even remotely worried about her. I’m just hoping for some more cerebral stand-alone episodes in the style of Midnight, Blink, The Eleventh Hour, Journey To The Center Of The TARDIS, etc. I’m hoping the show and The Doctor are back to the feel of the ninth and tenth Doctors. I’m also hoping we’re companionless for a few episodes. Let us get to know the new Doctor for a bit.
She may well be a good actress and she may be a good pick if you are looking for female Doctor. But I just can’t accept a female Doctor. Sorry.
What I wouldn’t have had a problem with, is if they had just done a spin off with a female Timelord. They could have had the Doctor bump into some lady and notices that she has one of those pocket watches. Maybe her parents hid her on earth to save her from the time war or something like that. The pocket watch opens and she remembers she is a Time Lady, and she remembers that she has a tardis hidden as something. Have it be that the Chamelon circuit actually works on her Tardis. I probably would like that show.
I do agree with you about having more stand alone episodes. I am also tired of the overblown epicness all the time. Another thing a tired of is the sort of killing off of companions. Why can’t companions leave like they did in the original series?
The only issue I see with the show would be lazy writing. Someone mentioned earlier if the female Doctor was done in the 80s, it wouldn’t be done right, but I haven’t been confident in this show’s writing for years to be assured it will be done right today. Luckily, we have a new creative team as well, so I can only hope for the best.
I do agree with you about having more stand alone episodes. I am also tired of the overblown epicness all the time. Another thing a tired of is the sort of killing off of companions. Why can’t companions leave like they did in the original series?
I pretty much agree with this sentiment entirely.
I am also tired of the overblown epicness all the time.
This has been my biggest complaint about the modern show. This latest series (about halfway through now) has been a welcome relief from that. Just saw “Oxygen” - loved it!
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nvm, not worth it.
I will always wonder what you originally wrote.
Yes, you will.
You will be… you will be.
We have seen / been told that Gallifreyans regenerate into a different sex before too - The Corsair or The Master/Missy for example…
There’s that tired excuse again. This “precedent” was created after Moffat was accused of sexism and the new fangirls started demanding a female Doctor. Since then to combat that image he kowtowed and started to introduce those elements. Nowhere in the classic series is something like this hinted at. If NuWho can’t get the Doctor’s age right, I’m certainly not going to trust it with something like this.
I’ll be watching the Christmas Special and first episode of series 11 but will probably be stopping after that. I would not be surprised to see the show’s ratings start to drop after this.
Not so much a ‘tired excuse’ if it is new, no?
To me it’s all the same series - Doctor Who.
We also recently saw a Gallifreyan regenerate from an old white man into a young black woman - just seemed to be part of the Gallifreyan life.
Did it ever happen before Missy came along? Did it ever happen in the old series? We went 50 years without a regeneration causing a gender change. Moffat added that capability for PC reasons, as oojason said.
I certainly didn’t say it was for pc reasons.
Correct, you didn’t. I don’t know how I thought you had said that. I should have said “as Tobar said”. Again, you have my apologies.
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Does anyone wish to disagree with when I say that Capaldi was the “depressed doctor”?
I’d call him the letdown Doctor. Let down by poor writing and a companion that should have left after her first season.
Capaldi himself was brilliant when he was allowed to be.
Just watched the third installment in the trilogy (“Lie of the Land”). Hmmm, the first two were SO good… rather disappointed in the conclusion. Bill’s role in the climax was much too sappy for my taste. Same complaint(s) I had about prior series. Hoping the next episode(s) get back to clever sci-fi stories.
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I’m starting to catch up on the series. I’ve watched two episodes today, “Smile” and “Thin Ice”. I quite liked “Smile” other than “ha ha wow emojis are so hip and cool right?” “Thin Ice” was competent, but nothing special.
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Does anyone wish to disagree with when I say that Capaldi was the “depressed doctor”?
I would say he is the latest in a short line of Curmudgeon Doctors. The First, The Sixth and The Twelfth could be distant, short tempered and have very alien values. But seeing 12 on top of a tank, playing the theme tune on an electric guitar wearing shades it’s hard to see him as ‘depressed’. There are lots of different modes of depression.
Moffat has with his version of Sherlock depicted some of his ideas of what people on the spectrum are like. The Doctor being an alien has sometimes an alien outlook. He isn’t necessarily mean he just doesn’t understand things in the same way we do. As Colin Baker once put it “stepping over a field of corpses to weep at the death of a butterfly”.
I think after the War the Doctor became increasing the focal point of the universe (or even the multiverse by the end of the 10th Doctor’s tenure). I think this manifested as a crisis of identity in the 12th. “Am I a good man?” can you wear that badge when the most blood drenched monsters of creation run away at your command? And then you have Missy. Basically him but lacking a few vital mental components like empathy. But sometimes the Doctor also lacks empathy (why he needs the very funny crises cue cards) so how are they different? This self reflection I think sums up the Twelfth the most.
He delivers a lot of soliloquy, Heaven Sent (arguably the best episode ever made) is almost all soliloquy and self reflection.
Interestingly at the beginning of the 50th Anniversary episode Clara is writing a quote from Marcus Aurelius (and this is the first time we see the attack eyebrows). “Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one.” The Twelth Doctor spends most of his first year fathoming if he is a good man and what that means. Towards the end, facing highly probable death he delivers the final of many impassioned monologues (this time to the Master, his dark reflection) Spoilers for those who haven’t seen it yet, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOaVJufPqUU
He acknowledges that the Master has changed for the better, albeit only somewhat and with her own motivation for doing so. This fuels his own weariness of continuing to change. If you keep changing the parts of the mop you still have a mop but if you change the head to a broom is it even remotely the same thing? Maybe the Doctor would be worse than the Master was (as seen with the Valeyard).
I guess I miss the old days of Doctor Who when the Doctor was the simply the here who went around saving people and fighting monsters and the Master was simply the villain.
I wonder how they will bring the Master back next time, considering this:
spoilers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z9nffMGl_w&feature=youtu.be&t=24s
but I guess they will find a way
I did notice that Missy seemed to slip something to the Doctor as they parted. The Master has hidden his essence in objects before. Either way you can’t keep a bad girl or boy down 😃
Coming back from complete death isn’t much a problem given the Master’s history. He has no reason for surviving Planet of Fire. Burned through all of his regenerations by the time of Deadly Assassin. Survived an execution by turning into a space snake. Survived death and cremation via a ring and cult. I’m sure we’ll see the Master again, but I’m always in favor of giving the character long breaks.
Just watched the third installment in the trilogy (“Lie of the Land”). Hmmm, the first two were SO good… rather disappointed in the conclusion. Bill’s role in the climax was much too sappy for my taste. Same complaint(s) I had about prior series. Hoping the next episode(s) get back to clever sci-fi stories.
Yeah. A lot of people were a bit ‘meh’ about Pyramid at the End of the World, but I really enjoyed that one. And it made me appreciate Peter Harness’s other two stories quite a bit more (one of which I already liked, and one that I have plenty of misgivings about). His theme of ‘dealing with controversial modern politics by forcing massive quick decisions on humans and seeing how they deal with it’ is interesting. But Lie of the Land was a terrible conclusion. Among the worst episodes of Moffat’s era, and certainly the most disappointing of Capaldi’s.
I must say, season 10 was pretty strong, outside of that three parter (Extremis is included here) and the 2016 Christmas Special, for what I’ve come to expect from it recently.
Discounting the specials, which would throw a ton of favor towards S7, I would rank the Moffat era series:
5 > 9 > 8 > 10 > 6 > 7.
If we’re doing that, this is what I’d put them as:
5 > 9 > 10 > 8 > 7 > 6.