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DTS soundtracks on laserdisc and not on DVD or BD?

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I’d like to know which title of the following list

has not a DVD and/or BD edition with a DTS soundtrack

OR

where the DTS soundtrack is present, the DVD/BD edition is different from theatrical presentation but the laserdisc is the same

OR

the DTS soundtrack is half bitrate (768kbps) - where laserdisc are 1441kbps - or the quality is not that good

OR

simply, there is no DVD or BD edition at all!

This to determine which title could be eligible for a DTS soundtrack restoration, using the laserdisc DTS soundtrack and the best video available (BD or, if not available, DVD or, if there is no digital edition at all, the laserdisc video).

So, here you are a list of NTSC USA laserdiscs with DTS Digital Surround soundtrack:

  1. 12 Monkeys (1995) 43208
  2. … **Alien Resurrection (1997) 0032584
  3. Apollo 13 (1995) 43119 -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  4. Armageddon (1998) 16066 AS -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  5. Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery: Special Edition (1997) ID4402LI -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  6. Babe (1995) 43209 -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  7. Blade (1998) ID5423LI -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  8. Blown Away (1994) ML106171
  9. Boogie Nights (1997) ID4415LI
  10. Born on the Fourth of July (1989) *** ID4482MC -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  11. Broken Arrow (1996) 0896384
  12. Carlito’s Way (1993) ID4425MC
  13. Casino (1995) 43117 -> The BD is DTS 5.1 but likely a new mix.
  14. Casper (1995) 43120
  15. Con Air (1997) 12881 AS
  16. Crimson Tide (1995) 12156 AS
  17. Crow, The (1994) 12157 AS
  18. Dante’s Peak (1997) 43364 -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  19. Dark City (1998) ID4643LI -> theatrical was reissued as a bonus to the Director’s cut and not in DTS.
  20. Daylight (1996) 43271 -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  21. Deep Rising (1998) 15066 AS
  22. Die Hard (1988) *** 0890584 -> original sound mix altered for all 5.1 remixes.
  23. Die Hard 2: Die Harder (1990) *** 0890684 -> original sound mix altered for all 5.1 remixes.
  24. … Die Hard 3: With A Vengeance (1995) 0885884 -> New BD audio very strong but not as detailed as a 1995 film should be, suspect a remix and not theatrical. -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  25. Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story (1993) ID4426MC
  26. Dragonheart (1996) 43207 -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  27. Eagles: Hell Freezes Over (1994) ID4065GF -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  28. English Patient, The (1996) 12356 AS
  29. … Eric Clapton: Unplugged (1992) ID4747WO
  30. Evita (1996) §§§ 12096 AS -> original theatrical sound was Dolby Digital.
  31. Firestorm (1997) 0277384
  32. Flubber (1997) 14687 AS
  33. Frighteners, The (1996) 43274
  34. From Dusk Till Dawn (1996) 12160 AS
  35. Game, The (1997) ID4386PG
  36. Gate to the Mind’s Eye, The (1994) ID4068MM
  37. Get Shorty (1995) ML107093
  38. Getaway, The (1994) ID4471MC
  39. Goldeneye: Special Edition (1995) ML105987 -> 2006 BD loses it’s thunderous bass and LFE.
  40. Good Will Hunting (1997) 15112 AS
  41. Great Expectations (1998) 0449284
  42. Halloween: H20 (1998) 16070 AS
  43. … Happy Gilmore (1996) ID4423MC
  44. Hard Target (1993) 43276
  45. Heart and Souls (1993) ID4483MC
  46. Hercules (1997) 15067 AS -> This Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so the laserdisc DTS soundtrack is the original.
  47. … Hoodlum (1997) ML107094
  48. Hunchback of Notre Dame, The (1996) 12354 AS -> This Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so the laserdisc DTS soundtrack is the original.
  49. In the Mouth of Madness: Special Edition (1994) ID3751LI -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  50. In the Name of the Father (1993) ID4484MC
  51. Independence Day: ID4 (1996) 0411884
  52. Jackal, The (1997) ID4424MC -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  53. Jackie Brown (1997) 15065 AS -> BD mix is DTS 5.1 but may be sweetened as Tarantino likes to tweak his films for video.
  54. Jackie Chan’s First Strike (1996) ID4713LI -> American dubbed and re-cut version.
  55. Jurassic Park (1993) 43115
  56. Kingpin (1996) ML107092
  57. Kull the Conqueror (1997) ID4422MC
  58. Last Man Standing (1996) ID3735LI
  59. Liar Liar (1997) 43365 -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  60. Long Kiss Goodnight, The (1996) ID3738LI
  61. Lost in Space (1998) ID4712LI
  62. Lost World, The: Jurassic Park (1997) 43366
  63. Man in the Iron Mask, The: Special Edition (1998) ML107203
  64. Mask, The (1994) ID3752LI
  65. Mimic (1997) 14343 AS
  66. Mortal Kombat: Annihilation (1997) ID4421LI
  67. Mortal Kombat: Special Edition (1995) ID3753LI -> The audio on the Mortal Kombat BD is weak compared to the DTS LD. There was also a commentary track never carried over to DVD or Blu.
  68. Most Wanted (1997) ID4716LI
  69. Mr. Holland’s Opus (1995) 12161 AS
  70. Mr. Nice Guy (1997) ID4715LI
  71. … Mulholland Falls (1996) ML107089
  72. Nightmare Before Christmas, The (1993) 12162 AS
  73. Nutty Professor, The (1996) 43272 -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  74. Phenomenon (1996) 12159 AS
  75. Pocahontas (1995) 12158 AS -> This Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so the laserdisc DTS soundtrack is the original.
  76. Pulp Fiction (1994) 12154 AS
  77. Quest, The (1996) 43367
  78. Red Corner (1997) ML107096
  79. River Wild, The (1994) 43275 -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  80. Rob Roy (1995) ML107090
  81. Rock, The (1996) 12155 AS
  82. Ronin: Special Edition (1998) ML107602 -> BD uses LD DTS bitrate so it may be the same track.
  83. Rush Hour (1998) ID5477LI
  84. … Schindler’s List (1993) 43277
  85. Scream 2 (1997) 14607 AS
  86. Scream: Director’s Edition (1996) 14797 AS
  87. Seven (1995) ID3750LI
  88. Shadow, The (1994) 43116 -> The German BD has LD DTS bitrate so it may be the same and theatrical; there was an early DVD of The Shadow with a DTS track, fullscreen unfortunately.
  89. Shine (1996) ID3957LI
  90. … Six Days Seven Nights (1998) 16069 AS
  91. Spawn: The Movie: Special Edition (1997) ID4236LI
  92. Species (1995) ML105760
  93. … Speed (1994) 0896784
  94. Stargate: Deluxe Edition (1994) LD 60231-DTS -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  95. Strange Days (1995) 0893984
  96. … Street Fighter (1994) 43368
  97. Sudden Death (1995) 43210
  98. Super Speedway: IMAX (1997) ID4717OW
  99. Timecop (1994) 43211
  100. … Tina Turner: Live in Amsterdam (1996) ID4019ER
  101. Titanic (1997) LV334812-WSDTS
  102. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) ML107148 -> 2006 BD loses the surround clarity and in it’s unbelievable discrete effects.
  103. Toy Story (1995) 12153 AS -> LD original mix, BD has a DTS-ES 6.1 remix
  104. True Lies (1994) 0864084
  105. … Vertigo (1958) *** 43212 -> is the bad 5.1 remix with horridly intrusive new foley work. The new BD mix is supposedly a new and more faithful mix. The film is best in original mono.
  106. Village of the Damned (1995) 43278
  107. Volcano (1997) 0603984
  108. Wag the Dog (1997) ID4646LI
  109. Waterworld (1995) 43118 -> DVD has full bitrate DTS track
  110. Wedding Singer, The (1998) ID4686LI
  111. … West Side Story (1961) *** ML107088 -> LD is a transfer of the original 70mm six-track audio mix
  112. X-Files: The Movie (1998) 0044884

*** the movie’s soundtrack was not originally recorded in a multi-channel, digital audio format; these laserdiscs’ DTS soundtracks have been created by re-mastering the film’s original analog soundtrack

§§§ the movie’s soundtrack was originally recorded in a multi-channel digital audio format other than DTS Digital Surround

–> notes about DVD/BD DTS soundtrack (THANKS TO THE MEMBERS WHO POSTED HERE!)

TITLES IN BOLD - movies I own

STRIKEDTHROUGH - movies that doesn’t deserve a DTS soundtrack restoration for one of this reasons:

(DVD) DVD available with a DTS soundtrack better than the laserdisc edition

(BD) Blu-Ray available with a DTS soundtrack better than the laserdisc edition

(BD/DVD) Both DVD and Blu-Ray have better DTS soundtrack than laserdisc

Note: altough I strikedthrough some titles, this doesn’t mean necessarily that DTS track on DVD is better than LD; it could have a different mix, or worst quality, as many DTS tracks on LD were 18-bit, while only 16-bit on DVD. So, any info on each of these title will be highly appreciated!

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Make sure you remember that DTS was FIRST available in 1993 with the release of Jurassic Park.

I would guess that a movies soundtrack is mixed for a theater before it's mixed for home video ..... at least back in the day and maybe not so much now.  That being said, I personally don't know of a definitive way to separate the how, what, where, when, and why of different audio mixes for different video formats.  

I DO know that aside from some of the earlier titles, most Super Bit audio was half-rate DTS but I could not tell you which early ones were full.  I have Spiderman 1 & 2 and Batman Begins on Super Bit and they are all half-rate.  The X-Files DTS DVD I have is also half-rate DTS.

I hope this helps and doesn't confuse......

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Wow, that's a lot of DTS titles you own!I'd love to have a few more personally, but it's primarily Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies I'm after.

Theatrical mixes seemingly and not reissued If I am not mistaken:
 013) … Casino (1995) 43117: The BD is DTS 5.1 but likely a new mix. I have the regular LD and love the sound.
 019) … Dark City (1998) ID4643LI-theatrical was reissued as a bonus to the Director's cut and not in DTS.

 022) … Die Hard (1988) *** 0890584-original sound mix altered for all 5.1 remixes.
 023) … Die Hard 2: Die Harder (1990) *** 0890684-need to check but may be same as first film.
 024) … Die Hard 3: With A Vengeance (1995) 0885884-New BD audio very strong but not as detailed as a 1995 film should be, suspect a remix and not theatrical.


 046) … Hercules (1997) 15067 AS
 048) … Hunchback of Notre Dame, The (1996) 12354 AS
 075) … Pocahontas (1995) 12158 AS

These Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so these are original.


 053) … Jackie Brown (1997) 15065 AS-BD mix is DTS 5.1 but may be sweetened as Tarantino likes to tweak his films for video.

 054) … Jackie Chan's First Strike (1996) ID4713LI-AMerican dubbed and re-cut version.

 082) … Ronin: Special Edition (1998) ML107602-BD uses LD DTS bitrate so it may be the same track. Someone with both will have to compare side by side.

 088) … Shadow, The (1994) 43116-I have this one and the sound is STELLAR. The German BD has LD DTS bitrate so it may be the same and theatrical. Again someone with both would have to compare.

 039) … Goldeneye: Special Edition (1995) ML105987

 102) … Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) ML107148 Both of the Bonds, lose heavily in the remixes. Goldeneye loses it's thunderous bass and LFE, and TND loses the surround clarity and in it's unbelievable discrete effects. The 5.1 ac3 versions and SE DVDs are okay so it's only on the 2006/BD remix.


 105) … Vertigo (1958) *** 43212, is the bad 5.1 remix with horridly intrusive new foley work. The new BD mix is supposedly a new and more faithful mix. The film is best in original mono.

 

As far as others, here are a few off the top of my head:

The "Director's Cut"s of Lethal Weapon 1-3 are DVD only and have full bitrate DTS.

Die Another Day has it's original DTS-ES matrixed 6.1 channel mix on the initial SE DVD, and on no other version. The World is Not Enough had a similar mix that was never released. The Japan LD is theatrical ac3 Dolby EX matrix 6.1.

DTS audio for Batman Forever never released. All mixes on 2005 DVDs and BDs for the original Batman series came from heavily filtered audio masters and then put into Dolby/DTS codecs. LD has theatrical audio in ac3 and Dolby surround.

Original DTS for The Matrix never released.

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dfnyc said in the other thread that there were problems with the BD DTS for Evita.

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Thanks, I provided to edit the first post with your comments.


Actually, no. You should change evita.

*** shouldn't be next to it. And there's a problem with the BD, not the LD.

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Actually, no. You should change evita.

*** shouldn't be next to it. And there's a problem with the BD, not the LD.

 

You are right, as *** was put wrongly there; according to this post - and to IMDB (see technical specs) the original soundtrack was Dolby Digital - so I changed the description and added §§§ original soundtrack was not DTS. Maybe the Xmas lunch was a little too heavy to think clearly... (#@@)

 

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digitalfreaknyc said:

 

Actually, no. You should change evita.

*** shouldn't be next to it. And there's a problem with the BD, not the LD.

 


You are right, as *** was put wrongly there; according to this <a href="http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Preserving-DTS-LaserDisc-tracks-specifically-Jurassic-Park/post/616070/#TopicPost616070" target="_blank">post</a> - and to <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116250/" target="_blank">IMDB</a> (see technical specs) the original soundtrack was Dolby Digital - so I changed the description and added §§§ original soundtrack was not DTS. Maybe the Xmas lunch was a little too heavy to think clearly... (#@@)

 


Again, IMDB is, many times, wrong. Just because it doesn't say DTS on that doesn't mean that there wasn't a DTS mix. The simple solution is to check the credits at the end of the movie to see if there's a DTS logo, no?

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This brings up an interesting question. One multiplex I haven't been to in a long time was all DTS. What would they do with a film like Evita?

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SilverWook said:

This brings up an interesting question. One multiplex I haven't been to in a long time was all DTS. What would they do with a film like Evita?

If they had it ..... it probably was sent to the next theater when they were done or back to the distributors.  As for the DTS discs that accompanied it .... they are either still at the theater in storage, sent back with the film, in the trash, or in the hands of collectors.....these are just guesses.

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I meant what soundtrack would be heard? Evita does not have a DTS credit at the end...

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Again, IMDB is, many times, wrong. Just because it doesn't say DTS on that doesn't mean that there wasn't a DTS mix. The simple solution is to check the credits at the end of the movie to see if there's a DTS logo, no?

 

SilverWook said:

I meant what soundtrack would be heard? Evita does not have a DTS credit at the end...

So, it seems I must leave Evita with the §§§ ...

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Well, it would probably have the option of Dolby Digital, SDDS, or Dolby Stereo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound-on-film

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SilverWook said:


I meant what soundtrack would be heard? Evita does not have a DTS credit at the end...


That's really strange. It had a LD, DVD and BD release in DTS. I'm surprised. I wonder what that DTS mix is based on, then.

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The print backup is always supposed to be an optical Dolby stereo with or without matrixed surround track on the print, and I think this would also go for DTS films. Every one I've seen photos of has the Dolby optical backup.

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DTS audio for Batman Forever never released.
Original DTS for The Matrix never released.

At least we have these.

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I was merely referring to the fact the seller has the prequels which someone around here has already.

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They are not laserdiscs, though. ;-)

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 046) … Hercules (1997) 15067 AS -> This Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so the laserdisc DTS soundtrack is the original.
 048) … Hunchback of Notre Dame, The (1996) 12354 AS -> This Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so the laserdisc DTS soundtrack is the original.
 075) … Pocahontas (1995) 12158 AS -> This Disney films all get 7.1 remixes nowadays, so the laserdisc DTS soundtrack is the original.

The Blu-rays are actually 5.1. Not sure if they are remixed, though.

And only the Platinum/Diamond/Signature Editions get 7.1 remixes, save for a few exceptions.

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As for Toy Story, it’s the original mix while the Blu-ray has a DTS-ES 6.1 remix.

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