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Thing is, except for the name "Drax," the film Moonraker had absolutely NOTHING to do with the book. The book was a thousand times cooler. The first third of it was in the casino, pulling another "Casino Royale" type sting on Drax. But when the real plot unfolded, that showed the true genius of Ian Fleming. The super villain works as a defense contractor for a government he secretly hates, builds a missile, and prepares to use it against the government that funded it in the first place. Great stuff. Absolutely great stuff.
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I'll be honest. I've never watched a Bond film more than once, don't really have a favourite, and, for the most part, don't really care. They're fun movies, but I never could get into them.
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According to IMDB:

New Bond Girl Will Be "Very Much an Equal to Bond"

Just one day after announcing that Danish actor Mads Mikkelsen would portray the villain in Casino Royale, the next James Bond flick, the film's producers said that French actress Eva Green had been cast as the next "Bond girl." Green, who starred opposite Orlando Bloom in Kingdom of Heaven (and was later linked to him romantically), will play the role of Vesper Lynd, a role played by Swiss actress Ursula Andress in the original 1967 Casino Royale spoof. In a statement, producers Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli, said: "After an extensive search we have found the perfect actress. ... She brings to the complex role of Vesper an exciting combination of enigmatic and seductive beauty." Columbia Pictures Chairman Amy Pascal added that while Bond stories are first about action, "you need to have palpable sexual tension in the movie and in casting Vesper, we really needed to up the ante, because this character is very much an equal to Bond and central to our story."



I hate when they do that. I mean, Halle Berry had EQUAL billing to Brosnan on the poster for whatever crap movie they were in together, and it really pissed me off. This is a Bond movie, not a Bond and Co. movie. The bond girl should be window dressing, Bond's bit on the side. Maybe she will play some part in the overall resoultion of things, but to be Bon'd equal? No way.

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I think it's cool. These Bond films are too sexist anyway. Too many times (but not always), these films portrayed the female characters as rather defenseless.
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I have to side with YIYF on this one. It's not really a Bond movie if he has an equal. Not unless it's the anti-Bond. Or Goldbond
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I think it's cool. These Bond films are too sexist anyway. Too many times (but not always), these films portrayed the female characters as rather defenseless.
Yeah, you're right. Instead of Daniel Craig I wish they'd chosen a black female actor as Bond.

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Why do African-Americans get all the Bond lovin', YIYF? Let's have Lucy Liu, instead! And, hey, we'll just get Drew Barrymore and that other one, who's name escapes me, as Bond girls. We can call it "James Bond: Charlie's New Angel"

Ok, that was lame. Sorry everyone.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I think it's cool. These Bond films are too sexist anyway. Too many times (but not always), these films portrayed the female characters as rather defenseless.
Yeah, you're right. Instead of Daniel Craig I wish they'd chosen a black female actor as Bond.


That wouldn't work, because Bond's character is defined in Ian Fleming's original novels as a male.
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Any time I hear the EON party line of "We're making a woman equal to Bond" I just roll my eyes and say "SSDD." Bond has always had strong female characters and every time they come out with a new film, they pretend like this is something new.

They say that same line about the new Bond girl being somehow equal to Bond. They've been saying it at LEAST since Pussy Galore in '64. The only truly defenseless leading Bond girls they've have been Solitaire in "Live and Let Die" and Andrea Anders in "The Man With The Golden Gun." These two films, Moore's first outings, plus Diamonds Are Forever, really were not friendly to women. Blame Guy Hamilton, who directed all three. He was not delivering Goldfinger on these films, to be sure.

Hell, both Michelle Yeoh and Halle Berry were talked up to get their own spin-off franchise. But that never came to pass. It's likely B.S. that Wilson and Broccoli threw their way in order to get them to sign on. But they ALMOST ALWAYS make the Bond woman a strong character because she HAS to contend with his sexist notions and the sheer strength of his character on screen. Lets take a look at the long list of leading Bond Girls -- tell me they haven't been strong women in their own rite:

Honey Ryder: The self sufficient pearl diver with a knife on her belt
Tatyana Romanova: Russian office clerk turned spy for SPECTRE
Tilly Masterson: Trying to assassinate Goldfinger solo?
Pussy Galore: 'nuf said.
Domino: Turncoat against Number 2 -- I mean Largo.
Fiona Volpe: Killed a fellow MI6 agent and drove the heck out of a Mustang
Kissy Suzuki: Secret service operative
Helga Brandt: SPECTRE Agent
Tracy Draco: Ms. Emma Peele charmed Bond enough to get him to the altar. Talk about being able to hold her own against him.
Tiffany Case: Master jewel smuggler and (and my personal fave)
Solitare: Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman, portrays a soothsayer to Mr. Big. Pretty weak and easily fooled, she's perhaps the weakest leading character.
Rosie Carver: Double agent between the CIA and Kananga
Mary Goodnight: Bumbling fellow agent, she's the butt of many jokes.
Andrea Anders: The only one I recall Bond actually bitch slapping and roughing up, I think it was solely for the purpos of making Moore more macho than he really was. But then Maud Adams came back in "Octopussy" eight years later and was quite the capable woman. I'll get to that in a bit.
Anya Amasova (XXX): Soviet Spy bent on avenging her husband's death at the hands of Bond.
Naomi: Stromberg's hot-ass helicopter pilot. Flying combat missions and taking on the Lotus.
Dr. Holly Goodhead: (Man I love these names) The Good Doctor is both a NASA engineer AND a CIA Operative
Corinne: Another hot-ass helicopter pilot?!?!?
Melina Havelock: Huntress with a crossbow seeking vengance for her parents' death
Bibi: Olympic skating jailbait. AWK ought to like this one.
Domino (version 2.0): A young Kim Basinger squares off with a poorly-toupee'd Sean Connery. See Thunderball for plot details.
Fatima Blush: Crazy snake-loving fashionista almost shoots Bond in the family jewels.
Octopussy: Maud Adams wasn't such a weak woman after all is she? Leader of a band of jewel smuggling hotties.
Magda: One of the aforementioned hotties with the biggest capped teeth this side of Matt Dillon in Something About Mary.
Stacy Sutton: Wait, isn't that Midge from That '70s Show? She might have been better received if Moore hadn't been so dang old. Instead they had that whole Douglass/Zeta-Jones thing going on.
Grace Jones: Eeek! But she could probably snap any of us like a twig.
Pola Ivanova: Russian agent who gets frisky with Bond in a public bath. Wait, wasn't this in San Francisco??? Better reach around and be sure she's a man, Roger.
Kara Milovy: A bit of a damsel in distress, but for a cellist, she seems quite at home riding horses with the Afghani Northern Alliance anyway. Bond gets gentlemanly, thanks to Timothy Dalton actually reading Fleming's books.
Pam Bouvier: Shotgun-toting undercover CIA agent blowing the lid off of the drug cartel with Bond.
Lupe Lamora: Mistress to the Panamanian Drug Lord not above telling him to shove it in more subtle ways while helping Bond.
Natalya Simonova: Computer programmer on space-weapons guidance systems. Survives destruction of her facility in Siberia and long-term exposure to the cold afterward with nary a blemish.
Xenia Onatopp: Once upon a time, there was a world before Famke. Then this woman showed up crushing her lovers between her (perfect) thighs. And dying with a smile on their faces.
Wai Lin: Michele Yeoh just kicks ass. Period. Love or hate this movie, there isn't an ounce of fluff about this character.
Paris Caver: Looks suspiciously like Lois Lane. Signs her own death warrant by sleeping with Bond while under her megolomaniacal husband's constant surveilance.
Dr. Christmas Jones: She's a nuclear physicist who blows up subs with Bond, further making my point. Ignore that Denise Richards in this role is the biggest waste of celluloid since Battlefield Earth.
Elektra King: Fortunately there is a better Bond girl in this film. The mastermind behind the entire evil plot.
Jinx: The name says it all.
Miranda Frost: Fortunately, this ice queen actually has some substance other than filtered water.

Hey EON, wanna make something new? Cast Rupert Everett as James Bond (not a knock-off, as the real thing) and have him experiment with his gay side. It'll be far more entertaining and will likely be more manly than Roger Moore anyway.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I think it's cool. These Bond films are too sexist anyway. Too many times (but not always), these films portrayed the female characters as rather defenseless.
Yeah, you're right. Instead of Daniel Craig I wish they'd chosen a black female actor as Bond.


That wouldn't work, because Bond's character is defined in Ian Fleming's original novels as a male.

My post was a sarcastic joke.
Goodbye Adam.

Ok, back to Bond...

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Sarcasm: weeding out small brains.
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YIYF, adam is the last person that should be calling a bond film sexist.

arent the rest of the characters (ie, the female roles) technically defined in Ian's novels as well?

I love when people over use terms like sexism. Why are movies like Tomb Raider or Resident Evil not called sexist but bond is? Its more double standard shit that gets on my nerves. Anyway, im not gonna get into it as it will just aggrevate me.

Anyway...back to Bond

I really need to read the books, I enjoy the movies even though I havent seen all of them. I read one of the books back in highschool...forget which one now, but it was good. I'd probably pick up the box sets of movies if they werent so expensive.

How many of the bond fans here have actually read the books as opposed to being just fans of the movies? and whats your favorite book? Casino Royal is the first book, correct?

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The dangers of being Bond... poor guy!

Daniel Craig, who takes over the role of James Bond in the currently filming Casino Royale, lost two front teeth in his very first fight scene in Prague, the Chicago Sun-Times reported. A stunt reportedly went awry, and Craig took a punch full force in the mouth, the newspaper reported.

Initially, the crew and director Martin Campbell thought Craig was simply acting as he stumbled backward clutching his mouth. But they realized something was wrong when they saw blood begin to pour out of the actor's mouth.

The London Daily Mirror reported that Craig had his personal dentist, Rod McNeil, flown to Prague from London to patch him up. Craig had caps implanted to fix his broken teeth, and he now has been given six gum shields to wear for all of his stunt sequences for the remainder of filming on the $120 million film project, the newspaper reported.


From SciFi Wire
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It'll be cool if they leave that take in the film.

I lost my front teeth playing Hockey - took a stick right in the mouth. We don't wear masks here, see, cos we're f**cking hard as nails.

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What do the brits know about hockey?

I've always worn a mask, but I've also always been in goal.
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I love Casino Royale, but I think that's largely because it was the first book, and until now hasn't been made into a (real) movie.

Live and Let Die was an AWESOME book. Unquestionably my least favorite movie, but perhaps my favorite book. So much of the cool stuff that was in Licence to Kill was actually taken from that book, including what happened to Felix Leiter. Plus the bad guys had some one-liners about him that usually we only hear from Bond in the films.

And I already gushed about Moonraker. If they'd only adapt THAT plot into film ...
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These people are fools. I mean, our own OT on DVD petition is unlikely to pay off, but this CraigNotBond petition has absolutely no chance of success. Add to that the fact that I think Craig will make a good Bond and you have a complete waste of time.

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EON screws up their Bond choice every other time. Even if he's a good actor or the direction of the series is right, they don't get the one who jibes with viewers.

Lazenby ... what a great story to tell, what a bold way to end the film. The actor was not bad at all. But he wasn't Connery and people didn't show up.

Dalton ... this guy was the first one to actually portray Fleming's Bond. He had the look. He had the acting chops. He had respect for the role. He portrayed Bond as a lethal weapon of Mi6. But he wasn't Brosnan and the people didn't show up.

Now there is Craig. He isn't Brosnan. He isn't Clive Owen. He isn't Hugh Jackman. He's a bloody tow-head to boot. He creeps my wife out to no end. She absolutely hates the choice. I predict all the women who flock to these films because they secretly love misogynistic men (as long as they are tall, dark, handsome, and speak with a lovely British accent) aren't gonna show up. It'll just be some Bond fan boys who arrive, and it'll be the biggest box office dud since Pluto Nash.

Sadly, the movie will probably kick ass.

They'll blame Craig, but it'll be the fault of EON, as it always is.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
I'm assuming that you've never seen On Her Majesty's Secret Service or Moonraker if you're saying that The World Is Not Enough is the worst Bond movie.


Sure, Moonraker was kinda dodgy, but I guess that was part of its charm for me...As for OHMSS, I think I lost my patience with it and fell asleep. But as I said, I haven't seen every single one of them, so I'm not exactly the most qualified for the task of determining the best and worst of Bond.

I must say, though, fellas, one thing I really enjoyed about Die Another Day was the beginning when he was imprisoned. That made Bond less of a caricature for me, and it was gritty and cool to see him weather the storm and then escape. If only it had something to do with the rest of the plot - that movie was over for me as soon as it hit the ice...INVISIBLE CAR?! WTF?!

Can someone on here list all the Bond movies? I noticed someone went to the trouble of listing all the Bond girls - I wouldn't mind seeing which ones I've missed.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
These people are fools. I mean, our own OT on DVD petition is unlikely to pay off, but this CraigNotBond petition has absolutely no chance of success. Add to that the fact that I think Craig will make a good Bond and you have a complete waste of time.


Don't say that!
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I can't put my finger on it, but I have a feeling that Craig will be good as Bond.
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I was dissapointed when I found out it wasn't a comedy.