If you ask me they don't work. All I do is crave carbs all day. I recently stocked up on beef jerky, peanuts, and cashews. I tried to keep my carb intake under 20 grams a day but usully around 8 o'clock I give up and start eating all the carbs I want. I'm hoping if I stick with it I get usded to it soon and stop craving carbs. Anyone else try this diet and what was you experience?
That is why it doesn't work man, if you break down and start eating carbs, your not really on a low carb diet. I personally know a few people who have had great success with this diet, but they all gained the weight back later. That is the problem with any diet, and why none of them really work. A diet is a temporary change in lifestyle and eating habbits, so it should be no surprise to most people when the results are also temporary. The best way to loose weight and stay healthy is to exercise. Nobody wants to hear that, but it is the truth. Laziness and weightloss being compatible is a myth, or if you do manage to find away, it probably isn't something very healthy for you (drugs, parasite, etc.).
Just try walking for an hour a day, it isn't the best exercise program out there, but you'd be surprised how much it helps when your body is used to sitting around and being inactive all day. An hour a day seems like a long time, but it really isn't. Just find a nice park nearby or an area you like and start walking, the hour will be over before you know it. It is a good time for thinking, but if you must, grab a pair of headphone and a music player. On top of the hour a day, watching what you eat wont hurt. If you are quite over weight, it probably means you eat considerably more than you actually need. Eat the things you enjoy, but eat them in smaller quantities. Limit the amount of "crap" you eat as well, don't indulge in donuts or fast food all the time, once or twice a month is okay, but if you make it a daily or weekly habit, you are just hurting yourself. Coca-Cola, and other pop/soda/whatever you want to call it, it also pure crap. If you are a soda drinker, dropping that out of your life will be a big improvement.
It is really sad to see so many people in their college years being so overweight, and then to see them spend their freetime sitting around playing video games and having contests to see who can eat the most pizza in the cafe just so they can brag "I ate 17 slices!!!". Once you get older, you'll find that weight nearly impossible to loose, while right now it is not as hard as you think.
Don't diet, be active and cut back. If you want the weight loss to last, don't do it temporarily, but make it part of your lifestyle.
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
There's nothing wrong with "carbs" if you exercise.
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C3PX said:That is why it doesn't work man, if you break down and start eating carbs, your not really on a low carb diet. I personally know a few people who have had great success with this diet, but they all gained the weight back later. That is the problem with any diet, and why none of them really work. A diet is a temporary change in lifestyle and eating habbits, so it should be no surprise to most people when the results are also temporary. The best way to loose weight and stay healthy is to exercise. Nobody wants to hear that, but it is the truth. Laziness and weightloss being compatible is a myth, or if you do manage to find away, it probably isn't something very healthy for you (drugs, parasite, etc.).
Just try walking for an hour a day, it isn't the best exercise program out there, but you'd be surprised how much it helps when your body is used to sitting around and being inactive all day. An hour a day seems like a long time, but it really isn't. Just find a nice park nearby or an area you like and start walking, the hour will be over before you know it. It is a good time for thinking, but if you must, grab a pair of headphone and a music player. On top of the hour a day, watching what you eat wont hurt. If you are quite over weight, it probably means you eat considerably more than you actually need. Eat the things you enjoy, but eat them in smaller quantities. Limit the amount of "crap" you eat as well, don't indulge in donuts or fast food all the time, once or twice a month is okay, but if you make it a daily or weekly habit, you are just hurting yourself. Coca-Cola, and other pop/soda/whatever you want to call it, it also pure crap. If you are a soda drinker, dropping that out of your life will be a big improvement.
It is really sad to see so many people in their college years being so overweight, and then to see them spend their freetime sitting around playing video games and having contests to see who can eat the most pizza in the cafe just so they can brag "I ate 17 slices!!!". Once you get older, you'll find that weight nearly impossible to loose, while right now it is not as hard as you think.
Don't diet, be active and cut back. If you want the weight loss to last, don't do it temporarily, but make it part of your lifestyle.
I'm way ahead of you. I'm 6'2" and about 190 lbs. I'm a little overweight but not nearly obese. I feel I have a body type that wants to be overweight. My body yearns to gain weight. For the past month and a half I've been going for 3-5 mile jogs everyday, sometimes I have done it twice a day. When I don't jog I try to do push-ups and sit-ups in my room. Plus I work at grocery store and I am on my feet all day walking around the store and carrying heavy stuff all the time. I try to be conservative with my caloric intake but I usually end up eating until I'm full. I seldom drink pop and I avoid sugary foods except for my gummies. I really feel like I should be in better shape than I am.
Tiptup said:There's nothing wrong with "carbs" if you exercise.
Exactly! Eat right and exercise and you won't need to diet. Eating right doesn't mean only having 1 donut in the morning. It means having a bran muffin or a bagel with cream cheese instead of a donut. As long as your calorie intake is the same as the calories you burn, you won't gain any weight. So make your intake lower than what you burn and you will lose weight.
This isn't rocket science. If you need to lose weight, start walking, running, or swimming (or all 3!). You have to change your eating habits and exercise in order to lose weight.
EDIT: There's nothing wrong with eating until your full. That's what you're suppose to do. You need to eat healthy though. Eat until you're full and then stop eating. Don't try to stuff more in your mouth or you'll end up gaining weight. 6'2" and 190 lbs doesn't sound fat to me anyway. It sounds like you've got a lot of muscle built up. What weight are you expecting to reach?
Ok, here goes nothing. First and foremost the false belief that a high fat and protein diet is harsh on the human kidneys is based on one study done many years ago that showed that a high protein diet was harsh on the kidneys. Unfortunately there was one little flaw in the study.... The subjects studied ALREADY HAD PRE-EXISTING KINDEY DISEASE! It has been proven time and time again through numerous studies that a high protein and fat (ketogenic) diet has no negative effects on the kidneys in healthy individuals. Especially athletes (bodybuilders) who need more protein for their particular endeavour. Now there is also a misconception when you they "no carb diet" Broccoli is a carb, so is cake, now is broccoli bad for you body? It is virtually impossible to eat completely carb free.
What I'm preaching is the types of carbs. Now any type of green leafy vegetables are fine. As are some fruits. Ask yourself which is better for you a banana or an apple. They both seem healthy and they are. But, the apple is a much better choice because it has a very high water and fiber content which would cause little or no effect in causing an insulin spike which is what leads to body fat over time (constant insulin spikes) from all the sugar/carbs we eat. The banana on the other hand would cause a similar reaction as a baked potato or piece of bread.
When the carbs you eat are fibrous and contain larger amounts of water they do not have a negative effect on the ketone burning effect. Now, very simply put when you remove all carbs/sugars from your diet for a period of about 5-7 days all of the stored up glycogen/glucose/sugar that your body has stored up in the liver and muscle tissues will be used up. Then your body which is constantly in need of energy says "Hmm no more carbs what do I use for energy? " Well your body being the amazing, efficient machine it is decides "Well he's feeding me a lot of fat so I'll start using fat for fuel." This is due to the over abundance of fat floating around in the body. It's free fuel and the body Knows it and takes advantage of it.
Now fat is a very smooth and evenly burning fuel but it also burns very quickly (like when you drip grease on a fire). So when the food you ingest cannot cover the energy needs of your body do you think it just stops until you feed it more. Nope it says "well I'm in fat burning mode so I need some more fat to burn" Well guess where it comes from. Your bodyfat reserves. Thats right Ketosis is the breaking down of bodyfat by the body to be circulated in the blood as Ketones which is what it is using for fuel. This can be done to gain mass by adding more calories daily just like any other diet.
Or for maintenance or for weight loss. Just eat like ORIGINAL MAN that is how we are wired at a DNA level. Hunt and gather not sit on your butt and farm. Answer me this? Find me anyone who knows squat about nutrition that can tell you that the following foods are bad. Lean Beef, Tuna, Chicken, Fish, Nuts, Cottage Cheese. Or perhaps these Olive oil, Flax oil, Avacados, Fish oil. Or Green leafy vegetables, cucumbers, celery, brocoli, cauliflower, apples, strawberries, blueberries, cherries, grapes. Now why would anyone recommend these. Cake, cokes, candy, rice , corn, bread, potatos, pasta, .
Now I know some of these may not seem bad a first but once in the body they all end up being converted into the same thing sugar,glucose, glycogen. They all require high amounts of insulin to process. They are high in calories and all of these leftover sugar calories once not needed for energy are guess what? STORED AS BODYFAT! Also sugar is a very streaky souce of energy unlike the sustained energy you get from fat. Why is America the fattest country in the world? Because we love our carbs. Oh and why have we gotten fatter since the low-fat craze hit the supermarkets 20 yrs ago? What do you think they replaced the fat with? CARBS! Once again look a indiginous people of the world (what few are left) they are lean, and live without cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. and if they do not get killed by malaria, smallpox, or a wild animal they live long healthy lives. They hunt meat and gather nuts, some fruits, and berries.
Also, until the white man put them on the reservations American Indians lived primarily on Buffalo meat and nothing else. They were also lean and disease free till us settlers came along. EAT LIKE A CAVEMAN and you will be lean, muscular, strong, and healthy. It is a lifestyle not a diet. Oh and on a final note you get all of the necessary vitamins, minerals, photochemical and fiber your body wiil ever need from the fruits and vegetables I mentioned above so don't fall into the belief that a ketonogenic diet will leave you deficient of certain nutrients it won't.
Another thing people don't do in regards to this type of diet. I too made the same mistake. They don't give it long enough to work its magic. I have been doing it for over 2 years now and it honestly took about 8 months to kick in. Sure I lost a lot of weight in the first few months but at around the 8th month not only had I lost a lot of body fat my body started to re-composition itself. I looked lean and hard and big. I gained over an inch on my arms while my waist was shrinking. I got stronger than I had ever been. Set new PR's on the big three.
And I had so much energy I felt like I was on speed. This is why I say it is not a diet it is a lifestyle. It takes quite awhile to exert it's amazing effects. I won't lie it was tough going for about 6 months but now I never crave carbs. Remember, the reason it takes awhile is that you are switching from the sugar burning metabolism you have lived on for all of the years of your life and now turning your body into a fat burning metabolism. That takes awhile for the body to reverse and become acclimated to. Like switching a gas pick-up into a diesel pick-up it's a pretty big switch to make so be a patient mechanic.
There were a few other factors. I completely quite every bad habit that I had. No more alcohol, tobacco, or prescription drugs. I became a complete health nut. Now the Ketonoginic diet is almost exclusively used by most people for weight loss purposes only. But, it is actually a highly ANABOLIC diet when you eat a surplus of calories over your daily maintenance level. Just as someone eating carbs would. Think about it meat has amazing anabolic properties. High end steak especially. 8 months is the magic point for transformation to occur. Other than weight/fat loss I was weaker, flatter, smaller, and not too motivated to go to the gym (no energy) but then around the sixth month I woke up one morning and felt like a new man. Full of energy, strong feeling, muscles started to look harder, and more normal (fuller). Gradually I began to experiment adding in a few more foods like certain fruits and occasionally a small amount of naturally oatmeal.
Well I still ate mostly carb free. When I did add in these things it was only at breakfast. Well a funny thing happened. I stayed very lean BUT! I started gaining weight and getting bigger. Not much but enough to be noticeable. Sure enough my measurements proved me right. My waist was staying the same but my chest went up an inch, my thighs 2 inches, and my arms an inch. This diet takes time to exert it's effect. Your body is overcoming years of eating and burning sugar/carbs for fuel. Oh, I am also full of energy now and am much stronger on all my lifts. Let me give you the diet that I eat almost every day. It changes a little but mostly it's the same.
Breakfast shake- 16 oz water, 3 raw eggs, 1 scoop whey, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1tbsp olive oil, 1 cup of frozen blueberries.
Snack- 16 oz water 40 grams of whey. Also 1/2 cup of natural almonds or walnuts
Lunch- 1 large bag of Albacore Tuna in water, 25 grams of whey in water, and 2 tbps natural peanut butter.
Snack- 16 oz water 40 grams of whey 2 tbsp of olive oil, and an apple.
before work out
drink a shake of 2 scoops of whey isolate in water and 2 tbsp of natural peanut butter.
Post workout- 16 oz water 50 grams of Hydrolized whey Isolate and about 6 Large fresh straberries. Also a vitamin E , C , Zinc , Magnesium, and Calcium.
Dinner- 12 oz Ribeye steak, and a HUGE salad. As much as you can eat. Spinach leafs, romaine lettuce, a large cucumber, brocoli, cauliflower, celery, walnuts sprinkled on top (about 1/4 cup) NO DRESSING! Maybe a tad of olive oil. Usually just raw though.
Bedtime - 16 oz water 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 3 raw eggs, and 25 grams of whey, also 2 tsp of pysillium fiber.
I also take a multi-vitamin in the morning, and 3 fish oils with each feeding.
Occasionally in the morning shake (I mean once every 2 weeks) I will also add in 1/2 cup of raw oats.
Now is this a completely no carb diet. No but look at the carbs I do eat mostly raw veggies and some fruit. Also remember I went 6 months on a stricter version of this with no fruit or any other carbs before starting this which is what I consider my MASS diet. I have never been this lean, big, or strong in all my 20 years of training( I tried carb bulk ups and everything). I am also full of energy. Remember though I am now going on 2 years of this. I am not huge by any stretch of the imagination but I do at least look like a bodybuilder now.
I am 6' tall I weigh 215 lbs I have a 31" waist, a 50" chest, 26" legs (I know they are my weak point) and 18" arms. When I started this lifestyle change I weighed 235 with a 48-49" chest, 24" legs, and 17" arms. Oh and a 38" waist. Trust me it didn't happen overnight. Like I said most people don't give this diet enough time. Other than weight/fat loss I got nothing real good from it for 6 months. Then it took another 2 months before it got Really Good.
Now, I'm hooked for life baby. I just began my summer lean down and removed all the fruit and lowered my calories a bit and I have already gotten leaner in 2 weeks easier than I ever have before. Funny thing is I haven't lost in size or strength and it's been 18 days already. I now have veins showing on my abs at 205 lbs DRUG FREE! For me thats something thats never happened before no matter how hard I dieted or worked out.
Try the keto diet, combined with heavy weight lifting (rippoe-toe)its the best diet there is.
That said everyone is different and you have to find what works for YOU
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Darth Yub Nub said:Ok, here goes nothing. First and foremost the false belief that a high fat and protein diet is harsh on the human kidneys is based on one study done many years ago that showed that a high protein diet was harsh on the kidneys. Unfortunately there was one little flaw in the study.... The subjects studied ALREADY HAD PRE-EXISTING KINDEY DISEASE! It has been proven time and time again through numerous studies that a high protein and fat (ketogenic) diet has no negative effects on the kidneys in healthy individuals. Especially athletes (bodybuilders) who need more protein for their particular endeavour. Now there is also a misconception when you they "no carb diet" Broccoli is a carb, so is cake, now is broccoli bad for you body? It is virtually impossible to eat completely carb free.
What I'm preaching is the types of carbs. Now any type of green leafy vegetables are fine. As are some fruits. Ask yourself which is better for you a banana or an apple. They both seem healthy and they are. But, the apple is a much better choice because it has a very high water and fiber content which would cause little or no effect in causing an insulin spike which is what leads to body fat over time (constant insulin spikes) from all the sugar/carbs we eat. The banana on the other hand would cause a similar reaction as a baked potato or piece of bread.
When the carbs you eat are fibrous and contain larger amounts of water they do not have a negative effect on the ketone burning effect. Now, very simply put when you remove all carbs/sugars from your diet for a period of about 5-7 days all of the stored up glycogen/glucose/sugar that your body has stored up in the liver and muscle tissues will be used up. Then your body which is constantly in need of energy says "Hmm no more carbs what do I use for energy? " Well your body being the amazing, efficient machine it is decides "Well he's feeding me a lot of fat so I'll start using fat for fuel." This is due to the over abundance of fat floating around in the body. It's free fuel and the body Knows it and takes advantage of it.
Now fat is a very smooth and evenly burning fuel but it also burns very quickly (like when you drip grease on a fire). So when the food you ingest cannot cover the energy needs of your body do you think it just stops until you feed it more. Nope it says "well I'm in fat burning mode so I need some more fat to burn" Well guess where it comes from. Your bodyfat reserves. Thats right Ketosis is the breaking down of bodyfat by the body to be circulated in the blood as Ketones which is what it is using for fuel. This can be done to gain mass by adding more calories daily just like any other diet.
Or for maintenance or for weight loss. Just eat like ORIGINAL MAN that is how we are wired at a DNA level. Hunt and gather not sit on your butt and farm. Answer me this? Find me anyone who knows squat about nutrition that can tell you that the following foods are bad. Lean Beef, Tuna, Chicken, Fish, Nuts, Cottage Cheese. Or perhaps these Olive oil, Flax oil, Avacados, Fish oil. Or Green leafy vegetables, cucumbers, celery, brocoli, cauliflower, apples, strawberries, blueberries, cherries, grapes. Now why would anyone recommend these. Cake, cokes, candy, rice , corn, bread, potatos, pasta, .
Now I know some of these may not seem bad a first but once in the body they all end up being converted into the same thing sugar,glucose, glycogen. They all require high amounts of insulin to process. They are high in calories and all of these leftover sugar calories once not needed for energy are guess what? STORED AS BODYFAT! Also sugar is a very streaky souce of energy unlike the sustained energy you get from fat. Why is America the fattest country in the world? Because we love our carbs. Oh and why have we gotten fatter since the low-fat craze hit the supermarkets 20 yrs ago? What do you think they replaced the fat with? CARBS! Once again look a indiginous people of the world (what few are left) they are lean, and live without cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. and if they do not get killed by malaria, smallpox, or a wild animal they live long healthy lives. They hunt meat and gather nuts, some fruits, and berries.
Also, until the white man put them on the reservations American Indians lived primarily on Buffalo meat and nothing else. They were also lean and disease free till us settlers came along. EAT LIKE A CAVEMAN and you will be lean, muscular, strong, and healthy. It is a lifestyle not a diet. Oh and on a final note you get all of the necessary vitamins, minerals, photochemical and fiber your body wiil ever need from the fruits and vegetables I mentioned above so don't fall into the belief that a ketonogenic diet will leave you deficient of certain nutrients it won't.
Another thing people don't do in regards to this type of diet. I too made the same mistake. They don't give it long enough to work its magic. I have been doing it for over 2 years now and it honestly took about 8 months to kick in. Sure I lost a lot of weight in the first few months but at around the 8th month not only had I lost a lot of body fat my body started to re-composition itself. I looked lean and hard and big. I gained over an inch on my arms while my waist was shrinking. I got stronger than I had ever been. Set new PR's on the big three.
And I had so much energy I felt like I was on speed. This is why I say it is not a diet it is a lifestyle. It takes quite awhile to exert it's amazing effects. I won't lie it was tough going for about 6 months but now I never crave carbs. Remember, the reason it takes awhile is that you are switching from the sugar burning metabolism you have lived on for all of the years of your life and now turning your body into a fat burning metabolism. That takes awhile for the body to reverse and become acclimated to. Like switching a gas pick-up into a diesel pick-up it's a pretty big switch to make so be a patient mechanic.
There were a few other factors. I completely quite every bad habit that I had. No more alcohol, tobacco, or prescription drugs. I became a complete health nut. Now the Ketonoginic diet is almost exclusively used by most people for weight loss purposes only. But, it is actually a highly ANABOLIC diet when you eat a surplus of calories over your daily maintenance level. Just as someone eating carbs would. Think about it meat has amazing anabolic properties. High end steak especially. 8 months is the magic point for transformation to occur. Other than weight/fat loss I was weaker, flatter, smaller, and not too motivated to go to the gym (no energy) but then around the sixth month I woke up one morning and felt like a new man. Full of energy, strong feeling, muscles started to look harder, and more normal (fuller). Gradually I began to experiment adding in a few more foods like certain fruits and occasionally a small amount of naturally oatmeal.
Well I still ate mostly carb free. When I did add in these things it was only at breakfast. Well a funny thing happened. I stayed very lean BUT! I started gaining weight and getting bigger. Not much but enough to be noticeable. Sure enough my measurements proved me right. My waist was staying the same but my chest went up an inch, my thighs 2 inches, and my arms an inch. This diet takes time to exert it's effect. Your body is overcoming years of eating and burning sugar/carbs for fuel. Oh, I am also full of energy now and am much stronger on all my lifts. Let me give you the diet that I eat almost every day. It changes a little but mostly it's the same.
Breakfast shake- 16 oz water, 3 raw eggs, 1 scoop whey, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1tbsp olive oil, 1 cup of frozen blueberries.
Snack- 16 oz water 40 grams of whey. Also 1/2 cup of natural almonds or walnuts
Lunch- 1 large bag of Albacore Tuna in water, 25 grams of whey in water, and 2 tbps natural peanut butter.
Snack- 16 oz water 40 grams of whey 2 tbsp of olive oil, and an apple.
before work out
drink a shake of 2 scoops of whey isolate in water and 2 tbsp of natural peanut butter.
Post workout- 16 oz water 50 grams of Hydrolized whey Isolate and about 6 Large fresh straberries. Also a vitamin E , C , Zinc , Magnesium, and Calcium.
Dinner- 12 oz Ribeye steak, and a HUGE salad. As much as you can eat. Spinach leafs, romaine lettuce, a large cucumber, brocoli, cauliflower, celery, walnuts sprinkled on top (about 1/4 cup) NO DRESSING! Maybe a tad of olive oil. Usually just raw though.
Bedtime - 16 oz water 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 3 raw eggs, and 25 grams of whey, also 2 tsp of pysillium fiber.
I also take a multi-vitamin in the morning, and 3 fish oils with each feeding.
Occasionally in the morning shake (I mean once every 2 weeks) I will also add in 1/2 cup of raw oats.
Now is this a completely no carb diet. No but look at the carbs I do eat mostly raw veggies and some fruit. Also remember I went 6 months on a stricter version of this with no fruit or any other carbs before starting this which is what I consider my MASS diet. I have never been this lean, big, or strong in all my 20 years of training( I tried carb bulk ups and everything). I am also full of energy. Remember though I am now going on 2 years of this. I am not huge by any stretch of the imagination but I do at least look like a bodybuilder now.
I am 6' tall I weigh 215 lbs I have a 31" waist, a 50" chest, 26" legs (I know they are my weak point) and 18" arms. When I started this lifestyle change I weighed 235 with a 48-49" chest, 24" legs, and 17" arms. Oh and a 38" waist. Trust me it didn't happen overnight. Like I said most people don't give this diet enough time. Other than weight/fat loss I got nothing real good from it for 6 months. Then it took another 2 months before it got Really Good.
Now, I'm hooked for life baby. I just began my summer lean down and removed all the fruit and lowered my calories a bit and I have already gotten leaner in 2 weeks easier than I ever have before. Funny thing is I haven't lost in size or strength and it's been 18 days already. I now have veins showing on my abs at 205 lbs DRUG FREE! For me thats something thats never happened before no matter how hard I dieted or worked out.
Try the keto diet, combined with heavy weight lifting (rippoe-toe)its the best diet there is.
That said everyone is different and you have to find what works for YOU
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Dang man, you're really dedicated. I found it hard to stay under 20 grams of carbs a day (as the Atkins diet suggests) even when just eating beff jerky and cashews all day. Yeah I read about how a low carb diet changes your blood composition from using insulin to burn calories to using Ketones which burn body fat and not muscle tissue. Correct me if I'm wrong, but on a high carb diet, when your body runs out of carbs it starts burning muscle tissue instead of fat, while low carb diet trains your body to burn fat and leave muscle alone. Do you still have to pay attention to calories on a low carb diet? They said you don't because low carb foods tell your body to be full much more effectively than high carb foods and even if you over eat you will still lose weight because you keep the ketones working. I just didn't realize how long I should expect it to take to change my body chemistry from insulin to ketones. The Atkins diet say you should restrict carbs to 20 grams for two weeks and then you can gradually increase. I don't like the thought of 8 months. Even then, if you start eating high carb again you will change your body chemistry back to insulin right?