Info: About this whole Indy 4 debate.

Come on, ok their was an alien and a spacecraft in the film, alot of you have an issue with it…but…

ROTLA: Spirits come out of a pile of dust and melt your face off.

TOD: Voodoo Dolls and demonic possession.

TLC: 600 year old Knight just kicking back waiting for some Grail fanatics.

Ok, well maybe you can redit Indy 4  to “Indiana Jones and the Tupac album after he’s been dead 3 years.”

No offense to fan edits, but it really isnt that bad guys. 😉

First, sorry for my english...

I don't hate Indy 4. I think it is enjoyable. Well, at least it don't put me asleep like when I am trying to watch Crusade for the 40 times... Dare I say I prefer to watch Indy 4 than 3 these days? Yes, I think. (Maybe it is just because it's new...)

It has some "TOD over the top" in it, and I truely love TOD.

That said, I think that movie could have been X10 better. It's not the SF vs religion thing, it's not even the CGI vs practical effects thing, it is that I find Indy too passive in this movie. 

And it is so obvious that this movie is a compromise between Lucas and Spielberg visions. The movie tells us that right on the opening scene, with the 50's "american graffiti" car full of young folks that wants to have fun (Lucas...) and the serious tone of the army guys (Spielberg). I think the movie had no real vision from the begining, it was just a way for the 3 men (+ Ford)  to have fun again (and some say to make more dollars, but I think they all are rich enough not to think that way, of course I may be wrong).

The script was good enough to make a fun ride with a well known character that I am pleased to watch again. But it don't really make you feel part of the movie, sharing the adventure with Indy, like the first 2 (Oh shit, I felt asleep during Crusade once again!)

I think it don't deserved all that hate. But it is far from being a masterpiece. And with Spielberg making a fourth after saying for years that three is enough, we had the right to wait for more than this.

You said it best when you said "have fun again".

So Lucas, Spielberg and Ford made one last flick. Campy and unbelievable are there for a reason...because movies are meant to be that way sometimes.

If you wanted a documentary of refrigerators falling from 20,000 feet and tumbling, then go rent one.

I'm calling FRIGIDARE and asking the possibility of it happening just to shut people up.

Movies are made of fantasy, and when people start barking at the fact it is, it ruins it for all of us.

ummmmm....agggrhhhhhhhh

THE ONLY reason people make these videos is because they know they appeal to the uber nerd mentality of the anti-prequels and such.

"I got 65,000 hits from my video of me killing Lucas and Jar Jar with a lightsaber...guffaw for me!!!!"

Ok, anyway...some of the nice fellas in here who I do not want to offend are talking about editing The Dark Knight and Godfather 2.

This site was meant to be a place where Star Wars fans could have a nice cozy edit that did not suck. Now everyone and their mom wants to redo every thing that has passed through the motion picture world.

Leave it alone already,

"I don't think that rosebud being a sled works, let's all edit. I have Adobe Premiere."

Lol, but I'd certainly love to see a slightly 'goofy gopher'-less, slightly 'monkey business'-less, 'overly-bouncing fridge'-free version of this Indy movie!  (with better colouration than was released....)

I love Adywans fanedits and others as well, just some films are good enough to be left alone.

Do not accuse me of flaming because I have some criticism please.

Anyways that's all I wanted to say really. ;) We can move on.

MCBarkingSpoon said: just some films are good enough to be left alone.

MCBarkingSpoon said:

I love Adywans fanedits and others as well, just some films are good enough to be left alone.

I'd argue that KotCS is bad enough to be left alone - it's so intrinsically weak that no amount of re-editing is likely to save it.

But that's probably not the sort of support you're hoping for.

This whole thing started over the Alien thing in the movie, which compared to some of the other things in the films, isn't that over the top.

It's far from anything like the original films were. But nothing that can be saved about it without taking the whole plot out, so its not that bad of a film, but it is a horse with a broken leg, cant fix it.

I AM NOT, and will not get into a war over this.

And I never said I was an arbiter of anything.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

musicman said:

No man, I think I see what you're getting at.  I mean I love fan edits as much as the next guy, but I've seen some pretty anal comments/suggestions/etc.  I mean, c'mon, cutting out some of Ox's crazy behavior when the man is...crazy?  Huh?  Tracking in musical set pieces from the first three films?  C'mon.   It gets crazy.  Absolutely make the Mutt swinging better.  Explore possibilities for Doom Town (even though I didn't have the major spleen busting reaction that some have).  Make things make more sense.  But it gets to a point where you go beyond just making the film better and it gets excessive or so off in its own way that it makes it pointless.

DAMN WELL put,damn well put,I could not agree with you more there musicman,I do edits every now and then to,and I read some of these posts on possible changes and alterings and cuts,and I just cannot believe the arrogance,and Holier than though attitudes I see,damn if these guy's think they are that damn good,why are they NOT making there own movies and making a lot of $,then people on the internet can critique there works and edit to thier satisfaction.

Ok are you two just being sarcastic now? :P

I cannot tell with you guys. LOL

I was talking in the Dark Knight fan edit thread just recently.

I counted and agreed with maybe 2 and a half points, but why would you do an entire movie over for that?

I do edits every now and then to,and I read some of these posts on possible changes and alterings and cuts,and I just cannot believe the arrogance,and Holier than though attitudes I see

I understand your point, but to me there are several kind of fanediting, those done to make the film better (from the point of view of the editor of course), and those made to radicaly transform the movie in "something else", not necesarry better. I like both.

It all depends on what is the goal of the faneditor. If you want to make OX less crazy in your edit, well, why not give it a try? Perhaps it 'll work. I don't see that as a disrespect on Spielberg's work. Unless the faneditor is an arrogant asshole that spit on the original movie all the time in his comments. But then it's an attitude problem, not an editing problem. (I really don't point at anyone, I check the Indy4 thread from time to time, and I usualy like what I read).

I AM NOT, and will not get into a war over this.

Uncanny Antman said:

 

I AM NOT, and will not get into a war over this.

No one asked you to. This is just a discussion, not a fight. You started the thread...was it to hear other viewpoints, or just to shoot down a (theoretical) fan edit that you don't like the sound of?

For the record, I actually agree that the gigantic, nitpicky list in the Indy 4 thread is a but silly, but it's not hurting anyone is it?

If someone was to actually make all those changes, what difference would it make to those of us who won't watch it?

 

NOTHING AT all, just make sure he still has his hat. Seriously, a fan edit cant change the film, but the magic of free will means anyone can make it what they dream it. But sometimes, it's kinda a long process and not always needed.

I see it as a creative outlet, as long as egos are kept in check.

In terms of crazy lists, it's probably worth mentioning that the loudest voices in the Indy thread belong to people who have stated that they aren't actually doing an edit themselves.

They just really, really want someone else to do it for them. (Apparently, they are doing all the "hard work" and the editing itself should be a piece of cake when following their step-by-step guide.)

I'll be doing an edit.... But mainly because I think there is a better film in there... And i thought it was pretty fun as is. But there is a better movie there for sure.