ATTENTION: Dayv needs our help — Page 14

I guess the recent flurry constitutes fresh information.

Warb where have you been personally vilified?

All that's happened here is that you and others have been asked to moderate your choice of words to get a more happy (if possible solution) to this problem.

Jay and myself have both described the documentation given to us as probably not enough to get Dave what he tells us he needs, more donations.

You have made some pretty strong accusations against Dave, and like Shawn's testimony they aren't backed up with evidence.

On these boards you frequently ask for polls on whether you should do something or not and nobody (not even yourself) takes them seriously.

Do you have proof that the polls on this site you talk about were rigged against you?

I'm now as concerned about you as I am about Dave.

You seem to take weblife as seriously if not more seriously than real life, that's really not healthy.

You are prone to not contextualising comments, not understanding the line between a joke and serious statement and getting very tightly wound up by minor and innocent asides.

Discussion boards and much of weblife in general operates within that area of human interaction if your lifestyle brings you on the web a lot then that life skill deficiency could be very damaging for you.

As I said earlier trust is taking what has been stated without knowing for certain and when people help each other here it's almost exclusively on trust.

From what you say you have found your trust in Dave has already been tested to the limit and I can see how that would colour your later responses on this thread if you believe that to be true.

However I find it difficult to fathom how someone could be manipulated to the point where they would be set up a site (partly to spite Jay), relinquish control over it and then be banned from it based on the machinations of one person and then set up a thread to help that person and then become convinced of being a victim of a fraud based on hearsay.

You do realise how weird this all sounds (much weirder than anything Shawn is speculating Dave has been up to)?

Like Dave I think you need help and you really need to get away from the internet because this whole yarn is really a knotted spiral of a soap plot and if you are a malleable as you seem to be saying you are you really need a much more simple life.

HotRod said:

Bingowings said:

However I find it difficult to fathom how someone could be manipulated to the point where they would be set up a site (partly to spite Jay), relinquish control over it and then be banned from it based on the machinations of one person

Come on Warb man, you gotta tell this story?!?!

With the same degree of evidence that Warb expects Dave to produce to prove he isn't a criminal fraud otherwise it's just speculation and tittle tattle.

as for the poll being rigged:   Shawn told me it was and I believe him.    I had always has a little suspicion it was rigged due to the number of people that voted to kick me off the forum.   I did not think I was hated that much there.   

as for me being banned from my own forum:  I did not relinquish control, I made Dayv an admin.   The way the forum was set up, an admin has the power ban anyone, even other admins.   I got into a fight with Ricardo and Darkjedi.   Dayv took their side and decided to ban me.  Fortunately,  as the owner of the website,  I had access to the files and was able to unban myself.    I of course went in and immediately  banned Dayv.   I didn't give him access to the files, so he was not able to unban himself.     After that, I decided to close up shop.    The whole forum has been deleted so I can't show you where it happened.   I could post emails of him admitting but of course, they are easily forged. 

I have no way of proving the above.  if you want to believe I'm lying, fine.   It not like I'm asking for donations because of the above.     

This thread has turned bizarre.

On the subject of bizarre patterns :

HotRod said:

Jay, take note!!

lol

HotRod said:

Warb!! - What did you do that was so bad that you got banned from your own forum??

I argued with the wrong people, I guess.   

Warbler said:

Fortunately,  as the owner of the website,  I had access to the files and was able to unban myself.    I of course went in and immediately  banned Dayv.   I didn't give him access to the files, so he was not able to unban himself.

 Awesome Warb.  I certainly lol'd at this!

Bingowings said:

You do realise how weird this all sounds (much weirder than anything Shawn is speculating Dave has been up to)?

Like Dave I think you need help and you really need to get away from the internet because this whole yarn is really a knotted spiral of a soap plot and if you are a malleable as you seem to be saying you are you really need a much more simple life.

Now you are just being a dick. Not that you haven't always been a dick...

But seriously, what is up with the personal attacks on Warb? Your judging him as you are is quite uncalled for, IMHO. There are plenty of people that have been suspicious of Dayv's claims from the start, and mostly those who have spent the most time interacting with him. That is a bit of a red flag to start. Just none of them voiced it here publicly until Shawn came forward (someone who has been in contact with Dave and people Dave knows in real life). There are so many reasons to be suspicious about this thing it is absurd.

In your typical and signature Holier Than Thou way you seem to be fighting for people to shut up, stop looking at the evidence, and accept the fact that Dayv needs us to part ways with our money for his wellbeing. We've heard your spiel. Everyone has heard it. Everyone will make their own decision on this matter based on the evidence. I agree with everyone who says the discussion has been exhausted, it has, there is nothing more to say. I agree Warbler is accomplishing nothing by continuing to demand evidence (that is obviously not forthcoming) from Dayv, but why resort to ripping him apart for it? He was a lot closer to this thing than you. You kind of missed the point of what he has been saying, that he has interacted with Dayv for years through various sites and considered him a real friend despite things that had happened between them in the past. He was still eager to jump to action to help a friend, and felt burnt when he realized he had been taken for a ride. He has a right to feel that way.

All this said, while I am in here I might as well say I am still very fond of Dayv, and am not going to hold anything against him. I suspected he didn't have cancer before Shawn's post, and am still quite sure he doesn't. If he does have cancer, I wish him the best and would offer him one of the best pieces of advice I have ever received myself: "If you don't look out for yourself, no one will."

There are quite a few people here willing to help, no way you can blame them for being suspicious after what they have been told by Shawn, if you really are sick then all blame for these doubts fall on Shawn's shoulders, not on them. You're the only one who can clear this thing up definitively, and doing so would be very beneficial to you. I am on a pretty tight budget these days, but I'd scrounge together something to send you if you did. 

CP3S

Waaaaaaaaaaaat???????????????????????

CP3S said:

Bingowings said:

You do realise how weird this all sounds (much weirder than anything Shawn is speculating Dave has been up to)?

Like Dave I think you need help and you really need to get away from the internet because this whole yarn is really a knotted spiral of a soap plot and if you are a malleable as you seem to be saying you are you really need a much more simple life.

 

Now you are just being a dick. Not that you haven't always been a dick...

Mr Turpin says

I'd rather be a dick than dickless.

CP3S said:

Bingowings said:

You do realise how weird this all sounds (much weirder than anything Shawn is speculating Dave has been up to)?

Like Dave I think you need help and you really need to get away from the internet because this whole yarn is really a knotted spiral of a soap plot and if you are a malleable as you seem to be saying you are you really need a much more simple life.

 

Now you are just being a dick. Not that you haven't always been a dick...

It is a little lame to use a sock to post this.  I had such high hopes for a CP3S sock too. :-(

I understand where Bingo is coming from but I can also see how Warb would be offended.  Actually, I'm impressed he didn't respond.

The only way Warb could be offended by my earlier post is if he didn't read and reflect upon it.

I have a nagging respect for Warb but he does seem to have problems with interacting with people on the internet, perhaps that's because of the lack of visual cues that can be picked up in a face to face meeting, I don't know but where most people will contextualise a comment and work out if it's meant seriously or to be taken as a piece of well meaning humour (or even as a cruel insult) he seems to get a bit lost.

The internet is the real world with some of the immediate certainty of physical interaction shaved off.

If dwelling in that sort of realm creates genuine emotional upset I'd practice more in the other place away from the screen, beyond the front door where there is less ambiguity and assurances can be obtained more immediately.

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

If Warb was convinced enough by Shawn's comments about this poll thing that's his own personal decision but if he really believed that and then set up this thread and was instantly swayed by more comments by Shawn (who hasn't actually accused Dave of lying here he has just voiced speculation that he may not be telling the truth) that says more about the relationships between these three characters than anything about the subject at hand which is helping a guy who tells us he has cancer and as yet has not been proved to be anything other than telling the truth.

The reasoning behind Dave obtaining clearer documentation is so he can raise the funds he tells us he needs fast, not to square some undeniably strange interpersonal relationship geometry between these three (or is it four) guys.

Bingowings said:

If Warb was convinced enough by Shawn's comments about this poll thing that's his own personal decision but if he really believed that and then set up this thread and was instantly swayed by more comments by Shawn (who hasn't actually accused Dave of lying here he has just voiced speculation that he may not be telling the truth) that says more about the relationships between these three characters than anything about the subject at hand which is helping a guy who tells us he has cancer and as yet has not been proved to be anything other than telling the truth.

Shawn of the Deli said:

You don't lie about cancer to get money from your friends.

I'd say Shawn has accused him of lying.

"Rather be a dick than dickless". "Lame to use a sock"? I am quickly remembering why I left here in the first place. :-(

I had no intention of returning, I just felt like piping up to support Warbler after Mr. Pontifex Maximus here laid into him, since nobody else was. Sure, I agree Warb should drop the whole Dayv thing and move on, but Bingo's harsh BS was uncalled for. Would have used my old account, but I misplaced my password. This will be my very last post, with it being my second post I have already made twice as many as I ever intended to with this account.

CP3S said:

Would have used my old account, but I misplaced my password. This will be my very last post, with it being my second post I have already made twice as many as I ever intended to with this account.

My apologies C3PX, I couldn't understand why you would use a sock to post here.  I'm pretty sure you can get your password recovered for you.

I have been hoping you would come back.  This place is a little less fun without you.  I'd have a sad if you stayed away for good.

btw, there was also a thought in my mind that C3PS could be Warbler defending himself.

TV's Frink said: I'd say Shawn has accused him of lying.

Re-reading his posts you are right, though he does cut that with a dose of non-committal language (lots of I don't thinks and don't believes) but not a shred of actual evidence beyond here say.

His line offering a guarantee is however a clincher.

Until Dave confesses to a deception or reliable evidence is provided that he is lying it's just as much a matter of trust as it was many pages back.

The documentation issue is therefore not to clear Dave of deception but to get access to the funds he needs.

The personal politics of a small group of people on here shouldn't be a distraction from that aim because if Shawn and Warb are not correct in their assumptions it could lead to irreparable consequences of the most serious kind.

C3PX if you think my words are harsh BS and an attack on your friend that's your inaccurate reading, you can call me whatever makes you feel happy.

I'm just trying and clearly failing abysmally to remind people of the title of this thread.

I think Warb explained that one already.

Going over it again isn't going to help anyone.

HotRod said:

But it was your site!??!!

yes, I know.  That is why I banned Dayv immediately after getting myself back on the forum.   

HotRod said:

I just wanna know how you get banned from your own site?

I couldn't give two bugs in a brothel about anything else!!

As I said,  I gave Dayv admin power.  With that particular forum,  an admin can ban anyone, even another admin.  There was a big fight on my forum which Dayv and I took opposite sides, he decided to shut me up by banning me.   I went behind the scenes(which something Dayv did not have the power to do) and unbanned my account.  I then came back and banned him.  I don't know how I can explain it any better.  

TV's Frink said:

btw, there was also a thought in my mind that C3PS could be Warbler defending himself.

its not.  I invite Jay to check to the IP address of both our accounts to prove C3PS is not me.  

this is to all the people that want me to stop talking about this.  Apparently, you all missed this post:

Warbler said:

fine,  I'll stop talking about it and wash my hands of this.    Donate  at your own risk.   But those that donate, know this:  I think you are probably donating to a liar.

C3PX, thankyou for coming back on here and trying to defend me.  I appreciate it

Bingowings, please leave me alone.

I said it before, I'll say it again,  I'm done with this.   Unless the evidence situation changes or more attacks are made against my person, I'm done posting in here.   As far as I'm concerned, Dayv is dead to me.   If you want to donate, fine, do so at your own risk.  I'm done with it.