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A new Mr. Plinkett review - The Force Awakens!

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As much as I dislike humour revolving around bodily functions, I do admit I get a sense of satisfaction seeing Lucas & Abrams covered in diarrhea.

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I enjoyed that it wasn’t just a Force Awakens review, but a review of the franchise as a whole and the Prequel People’s Front (or is it the People’s Front of Prequels?) defense of the PT. He makes a lot of the points I’ve read here before. Almost like it’s a vulgar 1:45:00 ad for the site!

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Really enjoyed the review, and I strongly agree with what he says about TFA. They played it way too safe and what we have is a remake of the first SW movie, plus there’s the creeping feeling Ep. VIII will be a remake of TESB.

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JJ pretty much dispelled those rumors a long time ago.

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you meen like Benedict Cumberbatch isnt karn… ?

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Bingowings said:

you meen like Benedict Cumberbatch isnt karn… ?

An utterly ridiculous comparison. JJ lied about Khan because he thought it would make for a fun surprise in STID.

This is a completely different thing all together (not to mention a film JJ is barely involved in).

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DominicCobb said:
(not to mention a film JJ is barely involved in).

So what does he know about VIII if he’s barely involved in ? This is only “advertising” statements (“yeah this was a rehash but the next one will be good !”) ; there is no point in discussing that until the movie is released.

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MalàStrana said:

DominicCobb said:
(not to mention a film JJ is barely involved in).

So what does he know about VIII if he’s barely involved in ?

Barely involved doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what’s going. Just that he’s not calling the shots.

This is only “advertising” statements (“yeah this was a rehash but the next one will be good !”) ; there is no point in discussing that until the movie is released.

There’s not “but” necessary. The similarities to ANH did not keep TFA from being good. I think VIII will be great, “rehash” or not.

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This review is so stupid. First of all, it’s almost two hours! Are you serious! I might as well watch the movie again. You know, I read a comment from somewhere before the film came out that said “Why even bother reviewing the film at all? What will any critic have to say about the film that will mean anything to anyone other than themselves?”. Well my opinion on TFA isn’t really going to change based on a two hour Youtube video. I’ve read other reviews, I’ve heard the usual complaints ad naseum. It’s nothing new. I know exactly how I feel about the movie. I haven’t seen or read an interesting critical take on it since the week it came out. It’s just been the same bullshit. This Plinkett douche is 9 months late to the party and not fashionably. There is value in good film criticism that analyzes a film beyond surface opinions but this doesn’t seem to be that.

So I didn’t watch the whole thing because I don’t hate myself but I did skim it. First of all the guy seems to be mostly riffing on his greatest hits (from what I’ve heard) shitting on the PT rather than actually getting to the topic at hand. Yeah the PT is nice to shit on, but it’s low hanging fruit. And yeah, the PT apologizers are annoying as fuck but I’ll never not be tired of generational bashing. Finally he gets to TFA and it’s the shame old shit. His comments on diversity seem nice at first because he isn’t criticizing the fact that the cast is diverse (you have to be a truly fucked up individual to think there’s anything wrong with a diverse cast), but then he starts to sound stupid. Saying kids don’t care about diversity isn’t really true. Yes, kids don’t care about seeing characters that aren’t their race or gender (unlike some deplorable adults) but if a kid sees someone who is their race or gender they are most certainly going to care. Don’t think for a second little girls aren’t loving TFA because of Rey, for example. And then he starts talking about the film being devoid of sex and I just have to stop. This is one of the most absurd criticisms of the film I’ve heard that I don’t think it’s even worth responding to.

Beyond that, dude’s got a super annoying voice and I just didn’t find any of it funny. Shrug.

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DominicCobb said:

This review is so stupid. First of all, it’s almost two hours! Are you serious! I might as well watch the movie again. You know, I read a comment from somewhere before the film came out that said “Why even bother reviewing the film at all? What will any critic have to say about the film that will mean anything to anyone other than themselves?”. Well my opinion on TFA isn’t really going to change based on a two hour Youtube video. I’ve read other reviews, I’ve heard the usual complaints ad naseum. It’s nothing new. I know exactly how I feel about the movie. I haven’t seen or read an interesting critical take on it since the week it came out. It’s just been the same bullshit. This Plinkett douche is 9 months late to the party and not fashionably. There is value in good film criticism that analyzes a film beyond surface opinions but this doesn’t seem to be that.

So I didn’t watch the whole thing because I don’t hate myself but I did skim it. First of all the guy seems to be mostly riffing on his greatest hits (from what I’ve heard) shitting on the PT rather than actually getting to the topic at hand. Yeah the PT is nice to shit on, but it’s low hanging fruit. And yeah, the PT apologizers are annoying as fuck but I’ll never not be tired of generational bashing. Finally he gets to TFA and it’s the shame old shit. His comments on diversity seem nice at first because he isn’t criticizing the fact that the cast is diverse (you have to be a truly fucked up individual to think there’s anything wrong with a diverse cast), but then he starts to sound stupid. Saying kids don’t care about diversity isn’t really true. Yes, kids don’t care about seeing characters that aren’t their race or gender (unlike some deplorable adults) but if a kid sees someone who is their race or gender they are most certainly going to care. Don’t think for a second little girls aren’t loving TFA because of Rey, for example. And then he starts talking about the film being devoid of sex and I just have to stop. This is one of the most absurd criticisms of the film I’ve heard that I don’t think it’s even worth responding to.

Beyond that, dude’s got a super annoying voice and I just didn’t find any of it funny. Shrug.

I’m guessing you haven’t seen any of the other ones? Plinkett is a character (which I don’t generally enjoy, but the review content has always been good for me and at least in this one most of the goofy Plinkett stuff was way toned down).

What I took away from the diversity section was not that he had problem with the diverse cast (he says as much) and more that he felt that it was a bit disingenuous because it was more of a focus-group manufactured diversity motivated more by “the soulless evil force that is the Hollywood machine and their manipulative string-pulling” than it was a genuine diversity, because diversity is the popular trend thing to do these days.

As far as the sex thing goes, he doesn’t mean it needed more hardcore banging, but that the characters were mostly passionless and there wasn’t any of that romantic tension that was in the OT from ANH.

You should go back and watch those bits in more detail because even though they’re presented in a goofy way, he makes some legitimate points about the manufactured, corporate, “safely made based on focus groups and marketing data in a sterile factory” quality of the film while it lacks the homespun, grassroots, low-budget, risk-taking feel of the OT.

I love TFA and I still do. Nothing’s gonna change that. But Mike makes good points.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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I’m guessing you haven’t seen any of the other ones?

Nope. I’ve pretty much only heard good things about the PT ones and since the PT truly sucks they’re probably easier to stomach but I’m not sure if he’s really my thing.

JEDIT: to include relevant quote.

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I added a lot of info to my earlier post, sorry. <_<

I really don’t like the Plinkett character and would much rather it were just Mike talking about it as Mike, but the character allows him to get away with more things.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

This review is so stupid. First of all, it’s almost two hours! Are you serious! I might as well watch the movie again. You know, I read a comment from somewhere before the film came out that said “Why even bother reviewing the film at all? What will any critic have to say about the film that will mean anything to anyone other than themselves?”. Well my opinion on TFA isn’t really going to change based on a two hour Youtube video. I’ve read other reviews, I’ve heard the usual complaints ad naseum. It’s nothing new. I know exactly how I feel about the movie. I haven’t seen or read an interesting critical take on it since the week it came out. It’s just been the same bullshit. This Plinkett douche is 9 months late to the party and not fashionably. There is value in good film criticism that analyzes a film beyond surface opinions but this doesn’t seem to be that.

So I didn’t watch the whole thing because I don’t hate myself but I did skim it. First of all the guy seems to be mostly riffing on his greatest hits (from what I’ve heard) shitting on the PT rather than actually getting to the topic at hand. Yeah the PT is nice to shit on, but it’s low hanging fruit. And yeah, the PT apologizers are annoying as fuck but I’ll never not be tired of generational bashing. Finally he gets to TFA and it’s the shame old shit. His comments on diversity seem nice at first because he isn’t criticizing the fact that the cast is diverse (you have to be a truly fucked up individual to think there’s anything wrong with a diverse cast), but then he starts to sound stupid. Saying kids don’t care about diversity isn’t really true. Yes, kids don’t care about seeing characters that aren’t their race or gender (unlike some deplorable adults) but if a kid sees someone who is their race or gender they are most certainly going to care. Don’t think for a second little girls aren’t loving TFA because of Rey, for example. And then he starts talking about the film being devoid of sex and I just have to stop. This is one of the most absurd criticisms of the film I’ve heard that I don’t think it’s even worth responding to.

Beyond that, dude’s got a super annoying voice and I just didn’t find any of it funny. Shrug.

What I took away from the diversity section was not that he had problem with the diverse cast (he says as much) and more that he felt that it was a bit disingenuous because it was more of a focus-group manufactured diversity motivated more by “the soulless evil force that is the Hollywood machine and their manipulative string-pulling” than it was a genuine diversity, because diversity is the popular trend thing to do these days.

Sure but I say bullshit to that. There was no focus-group casting this film. That was the job of JJ, Kennedy, Burk, and the casting director. These were simply the best people for the job (and there’s evidence that they were not looking for specific ethnicities). And even if it was focus-group manufactured, who cares? There’s not a weak spot in the cast and literally no one in this movie says anything about race or gender. It’s just… there.

As far as the sex thing goes, he doesn’t mean it needed more hardcore banging, but that the characters were mostly passionless and there wasn’t any of that romantic tension that was in the OT from ANH.

There was barely romantic tension in ANH. Little bits here and there, with Leia, sure, but that was mostly the romance of adventure itself. And that’s one of the beautiful things about ANH is that it is a romantic adventure film but it’s also the best adventure film and one of the reasons it’s my all time favorite movie. TFA had a different tone from ANH so I don’t think it’s a problem (of course everyone who cries “rehash” thinks the only elements of a film that matter are plot but that ain’t so). Besides, Finn very obviously has a crush on Rey (and she does kiss him! literally in the exact shot Plinkett is complaining she didn’t!), and whether romantic or not there’s certainly chemistry between Finn and Poe (which he even brings up). Anyway, passionless I completely disagree with. Again, Luke is the one character in ANH that might be said to have more “passion” because he’s aching to get out there and adventure. Rey does too but her desire to find her parents holds her back (goddam TFA why won’t you be more like ANH?). Either way if passionless is what Plinkett meant it’s not what he argued and what he argued was just silly.

You should go back and watch those bits in more detail because even though they’re presented in a goofy way, he makes some legitimate points about the manufactured, corporate, “safely made based on focus groups and marketing data in a sterile factory” quality of the film while it lacks the homespun, grassroots, low-budget, risk-taking feel of the OT.

In many ways TFA was designed to be for everyone and open the doors for new fans of all ages and the filmmakers don’t deny that. It’s obvious, but it’s also impressive in it’s success when you think of it (considering this is the seventh film in the saga and the last three sucked). As to whether it’s soulless or whatever I’d say agree to disagree. I’ve heard the complaint before so to me Plinkett’s saying nothing new. When I see the film I see a whole lot of heart, regardless of the massive production budget or familiar plot.

It’s funny too because SW is the only one that was really “homespun, grassroots, low-budget” and ESB is the only one that was really “risk-taking.” ROTJ feels a lot more passionless and driven by corporate marketing to me than TFA.

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Tyrphanax said:

I love TFA and I still do. Nothing’s gonna change that. But Mike makes good points.

I think that’s what they were going for with this one. He even says that TFA is a well made, fun adventure film. And admits that many of his complaints are simply nitpicks. I do LOVE his ideas for reworking the story though!
Dom, you should watch his PT reviews. I don’t like a few of his off-topic tangents (many are funny though), but the review content is spot on and hilarious.

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ray_afraid said:

Dom, you should watch his PT reviews. I don’t like a few of his off-topic tangents (many are funny though), but the review content is spot on and hilarious.

I might have to at this point just to see what all the fuss is about.

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Yeah I don’t mean to argue his points for him or anything, haha. I’m just trying to get across what he was because his presentation can be a big turnoff.

Like I said (and ray too), I love TFA and I don’t agree with everything he nitpicks in the review, but I think they were interesting points that deserve consideration.

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I just clicked on the TPM review and watched a little bit. I forgot how funny that intro is! I know the voice/character turns some away, but I loved the shtick immediately.
-Also, he lightens up on the voice as the thing goes on. At times it’s almost just Mike’s normal voice, but by then you’re usually caught up in what he’s saying and don’t even notice. At least that’s me.

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DominicCobb said:

This review is so stupid. First of all, it’s almost two hours!

Your senses aren’t that attuned my young padawan learner.

Clearly you aren’t versed in the finer points of Plinkett.

Not enough people read the EU.

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Just watched Plinkett’s new review and I think he makes again very good points (😄 yet with half of them already discussed on this site, as doubleofive said!). Considering their earlier review, I thought this was going to be only about TFA’s pros, so I’m glad he discussed both pros and cons objectively. Good review! 😃

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I’m looking forward to seeing it. I actually think TFA is not as good as I first thought, because while the acting and directing is spot on, the plot doesn’t make sense. Han, Leia and Luke go back to doing what they were doing before Star Wars, which basically means everything they had achieved at the end of Return of the Jedi was undone.
This is another review that while not epic like Mr. Plinkett, I thought made a lot of good points.
https://youtu.be/FNAy7yCMyBw

The overall thing with George Lucas is that he needs to be used in moderation. Too much Lucas and you end up with the prequels. But too little Lucas and you end up with garbage like the Holiday Special or a missed opportunity like the Force Awakens.
Empire of course was just the right amount of Lucas influence with enough collaboration from others as well.

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DominicCobb said:

Bingowings said:

you meen like Benedict Cumberbatch isnt karn… ?

An utterly ridiculous comparison. JJ lied about Khan because he thought it would make for a fun surprise in STID.

This is a completely different thing all together (not to mention a film JJ is barely involved in).

He lies, he lies badly about stupid things, just like Ben Kenobi.