4K restoration on Star Wars — Page 253

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

That said, a recompositing of the original film elements for an OUT wouldn’t offend me, but I also don’t tend to think it is necessary.

People on this site are the only ones I’ve ever seen that claim to be offended by recompositing the original effects. I don’t think they’re bothered by the TNG blurays though.

The question is, if all the SEs had done was recomp the effects, and had this become the only available version of the films, would this website exist? I bet not. I think the nature of the situation and the fact that we’ve been forced to create these projects has created radicals.

Yeah that would have been good enough as a Special edition. But you know say that clip they showed where there was extra dialogue in the conference room on the Death Star before Tarkin and Vader walk in.

Things like that would have been nice additions that would actually have really added something subtle and interesting without screwing anything up…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Erf6s_wYJk

^ This would have been normal sort of special edition Fayre…

Instead we are left with Plastic crap looking stuff intermingled with a classic film from 1977.

Why add the Jabba scene when everything has already been covered in the Greedo scene? when you could have just extended the conference scene actually adding something of worth…

I think the Space scenes they get away with the CGI there Sandcrawler Model and the new mattes (on some occasions) but that is really about it.

I don’t mind something being updated. But the whole tone of many of the changes is chalk and cheese, that is a lot of them do not work well Mos Eisley in particular is totally ruined, I Like the Falcon Take off though I think that one is fairly agreeable there is little hurt to be felt and makes it a bit more exhillarating.
The explosions of Alderaan and The Death Star are not that good either.

I could stomach only having a Special edition available as long as it did not screw the film up to the point where something you really loved you look at and hate in parts of it now…

Han Solo IRL said:

AOTC and ROTS look totally fine to me in terms of picture quality; I mean it’s not like they look like 28 Days Later or something.

28 Days Later looks that way on purpose (I assume, I don’t know anything about picture quality).

Yes, it looks bad so you feel dirty and uncomfortable while watching it. The epilogue is filmed in an entirely different style.

TV’s Frink said:

Han Solo IRL said:

AOTC and ROTS look totally fine to me in terms of picture quality; I mean it’s not like they look like 28 Days Later or something.

28 Days Later looks that way on purpose (I assume, I don’t know anything about picture quality).

I mean, if you’re saying they chose to shoot it on a shit camera, sure.

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

Han Solo IRL said:

AOTC and ROTS look totally fine to me in terms of picture quality; I mean it’s not like they look like 28 Days Later or something.

28 Days Later looks that way on purpose (I assume, I don’t know anything about picture quality).

I mean, if you’re saying they chose to shoot it on a shit camera, sure.

I’m saying I assume it’s meant to look bad. It’s a dirty grimy “dangerous” movie. And maybe they used a shit camera on purpose to achieve that look.

But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe they had zero money.

Ronster said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

That said, a recompositing of the original film elements for an OUT wouldn’t offend me, but I also don’t tend to think it is necessary.

People on this site are the only ones I’ve ever seen that claim to be offended by recompositing the original effects. I don’t think they’re bothered by the TNG blurays though.

The question is, if all the SEs had done was recomp the effects, and had this become the only available version of the films, would this website exist? I bet not. I think the nature of the situation and the fact that we’ve been forced to create these projects has created radicals.

Yeah that would have been good enough as a Special edition. But you know say that clip they showed where there was extra dialogue in the conference room on the Death Star before Tarkin and Vader walk in.

Things like that would have been nice additions that would actually have really added something subtle and interesting without screwing anything up…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Erf6s_wYJk

^ This would have been normal sort of special edition Fayre…

Instead we are left with Plastic crap looking stuff intermingled with a classic film from 1977.

Why add the Jabba scene when everything has already been covered in the Greedo scene? when you could have just extended the conference scene actually adding something of worth…

I think the Space scenes they get away with the CGI there Sandcrawler Model and the new mattes (on some occasions) but that is really about it.

I don’t mind something being updated. But the whole tone of many of the changes is chalk and cheese, that is a lot of them do not work well Mos Eisley in particular is totally ruined, I Like the Falcon Take off though I think that one is fairly agreeable there is little hurt to be felt and makes it a bit more exhillarating.
The explosions of Alderaan and The Death Star are not that good either.

I could stomach only having a Special edition available as long as it did not screw the film up to the point where something you really loved you look at and hate in parts of it now…

When I first heard about the OT SE’s I was hoping for a straight forward expansion of the films. Using original deleted materials only - no intrusive CGI to taint the films vintage. I would have preferred seeing more deleted character moments, rather than ‘improvements’ to SFX and sets (Mos Eisley, Ben’s hovel & Cloud City).

moviefreakedmind said:

Wazzles said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

That said, a recompositing of the original film elements for an OUT wouldn’t offend me, but I also don’t tend to think it is necessary.

People on this site are the only ones I’ve ever seen that claim to be offended by recompositing the original effects. I don’t think they’re bothered by the TNG blurays though.

I am. I’m even offended that To Kill a Mockingbird removed optical grain during push-ins.

You are a user of this site.

EDIT: I may have misunderstood you, I think you’re saying that you’re offended by the TNG blurays and if that’s the case then you should be offended that they exist at all because the original broadcasts were not HD. They were mastered on tape, so doing a hi-def restoration is in itself revisionism (by that logic). If you’re only offended by the effects on the blurays, then your offense is inconsistent because you’re basically saying that it’s okay to restore live action footage to a quality beyond its original version, but not visual effects, even though 480i cassette tape effects would look like absolute garbage on an otherwise HD copy. So are you saying that all TV shows originally mastered on tape should not be released on bluray because it’s ‘cultural revisionism’ somehow?

Not sure if this is my place, but sometimes revisionism isn’t for everyone. I can appreciate a little restoration or revisionism depending on the context. Please stop being so rude.

yhwx said:

Try to enter a few new lines whenever you quote a post.

Thanks

moviefreakedmind said:

I wasn’t being rude at all.

Yeah, I think I’m on your side on this one. To each his own but I think some people in this thread are being a bit radical.

moviefreakedmind said:

Collipso said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I wasn’t being rude at all.

Yeah, I think I’m on your side on this one. To each his own but I think some people in this thread are being a bit radical.

Yeah, and disagreement aside I don’t think I was being rude at all.

I’ve reported you for being too polite.

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

Han Solo IRL said:

AOTC and ROTS look totally fine to me in terms of picture quality; I mean it’s not like they look like 28 Days Later or something.

28 Days Later looks that way on purpose (I assume, I don’t know anything about picture quality).

I mean, if you’re saying they chose to shoot it on a shit camera, sure.

I’m saying I assume it’s meant to look bad. It’s a dirty grimy “dangerous” movie. And maybe they used a shit camera on purpose to achieve that look.

But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe they had zero money.

I believe it was done for practical purposes. But you’re not wrong, it works with the aesthetic of the film.

Slavicuss said:

Ronster said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

That said, a recompositing of the original film elements for an OUT wouldn’t offend me, but I also don’t tend to think it is necessary.

People on this site are the only ones I’ve ever seen that claim to be offended by recompositing the original effects. I don’t think they’re bothered by the TNG blurays though.

The question is, if all the SEs had done was recomp the effects, and had this become the only available version of the films, would this website exist? I bet not. I think the nature of the situation and the fact that we’ve been forced to create these projects has created radicals.

Yeah that would have been good enough as a Special edition. But you know say that clip they showed where there was extra dialogue in the conference room on the Death Star before Tarkin and Vader walk in.

Things like that would have been nice additions that would actually have really added something subtle and interesting without screwing anything up…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Erf6s_wYJk

^ This would have been normal sort of special edition Fayre…

Instead we are left with Plastic crap looking stuff intermingled with a classic film from 1977.

Why add the Jabba scene when everything has already been covered in the Greedo scene? when you could have just extended the conference scene actually adding something of worth…

I think the Space scenes they get away with the CGI there Sandcrawler Model and the new mattes (on some occasions) but that is really about it.

I don’t mind something being updated. But the whole tone of many of the changes is chalk and cheese, that is a lot of them do not work well Mos Eisley in particular is totally ruined, I Like the Falcon Take off though I think that one is fairly agreeable there is little hurt to be felt and makes it a bit more exhillarating.
The explosions of Alderaan and The Death Star are not that good either.

I could stomach only having a Special edition available as long as it did not screw the film up to the point where something you really loved you look at and hate in parts of it now…

When I first heard about the OT SE’s I was hoping for a straight forward expansion of the films. Using original deleted materials only - no intrusive CGI to taint the films vintage. I would have preferred seeing more deleted character moments, rather than ‘improvements’ to SFX and sets (Mos Eisley, Ben’s hovel & Cloud City).

That would be a rather normal expectation like I also had.

It went for the wow factor… “just look at what we can do now!” 20 years on fron 97… “just look at what you did!”

😃

I think in terms of the OT and special edition it goes like this for me.

Episode 4 went too far in places did not go far enough in others.

Episode 5 fell well short of what could have been done.

Episode 6 could have been a bit better but it was ok and it never really felt like the crowning achievement version that rounded it all off even though they tried at the end it fell a bit short.

I think the Special editions problem is that by and large they come up pretty empty and leave you wanting more even though you got more you did not get more of what you wanted… That being acting and characters and story. You end up with a superficial add on that is technical and not intrinsicly linked to what you would expect from seeing a “Normal Special Edition”

And really that is it I think it leaves one feeling “what if?” Rather than “i have seen more!” You feel like you have seen less than you had seen in some ways, it is depleting even though it is additive it is not additive in terms of what you first saw and what you grew up with.

Non star-wars-news junkie here. So was there actually a 4K restoration that took place? I assume this thread was based on some sort of speculative news article.

ElectroDroid said:

Non star-wars-news junkie here. So was there actually a 4K restoration that took place? I assume this thread was based on some sort of speculative news article.

Nope. There is one going on but it’s not official.