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TV’s Frink said:

This is interesting.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/when-does-praying-in-public-make-others-uncomfortable/

what about silently praying, without asking anyone to join in?

“I’ll pray for you,” Silverman hears, “You’re different from me and I’ll pray for you to change.

to be clear, that is never what I mean, when I say “I’ll pray for you”. When I pray for someone, pray for the help they need with whatever problem they are dealing with, or wisdom to deal with said problem. I normally reserve the “I’ll pray for you” comment, for when someone tells me they are facing serious difficulty or something like that.

Yup. I don’t offer to pray for people’s conversions, LOL.

moviefreakedmind said:

Praying in general makes me uncomfortable, especially if it’s out loud.

The only time I have ever felt uncomfortable about praying is when my schizophrenic half sister was praying during one of her “fits”. The concept of praying is tantamount asking your teacher to give you extra credit for doing absolutely nothing. It’s cheating.

Lord Haseo said:

The concept of praying is tantamount asking your teacher to give you extra credit for doing absolutely nothing. It’s cheating.

Cool story, bro.

Lord Haseo said:
The concept of praying is tantamount asking your teacher to give you extra credit for doing absolutely nothing. It’s cheating.

Hence why Catholics don’t believe you can get away with just praying and not actually living according to Catholic teaching (which is not to say that God ignores Protestants’ prayers).

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:
The concept of praying is tantamount asking your teacher to give you extra credit for doing absolutely nothing. It’s cheating.

Hence why Catholics don’t believe you can get away with just praying and not actually living according to Catholic teaching (which is not to say that God ignores Protestants’ prayers).

Well simply living according to Catholic teachings isn’t much more than doing absolutely nothing. It’s not as though a deed is being done in lue of compensation for an answered prayer.

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Sounds like someone needs to pray for some weed!

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

TV’s Frink said:

Sounds like someone needs to pray for some weed!

Such prayers would fall on def ears for I have already been forsaken.

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Those are just simple ways of following the teachings of my religion, and there are of course far more extreme ways, like becoming a fully-licenced doctor, and spending your time treating people in 3rd world countries for free, or selling everything you have and using all your time and money to help those in need, or joining a religious order and devoting your life to the service of others.

Also, comparing praying to asking a teacher for credit isn’t very accurate. It’s more like asking a teacher for help with homework, or to give another student extra help, because they are struggling. I could add all sorts of prayer-related things Catholics should do to the above list, because those can be difficult as well, but you no doubt think they’re a total waste of time.

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

Those are just simple ways of following the teachings of my religion, and there are of course far more extreme ways, like becoming a fully-licenced doctor, and spending your time treating people in 3rd world countries for free, or selling everything you have and using all your time and money to help those in need, or joining a religious order and devoting your life to the service of others.

Also, comparing praying to asking a teacher for credit isn’t very accurate. It’s more like asking a teacher for help with homework, or to give another student extra help, because they are struggling. I could add all sorts of prayer-related things Catholics should do to the above list, because those can be difficult as well, but you no doubt think they’re a total waste of time.

I guess it would depend on the person that’s praying. A lot of prayers pretty much are people asking God to make stuff happen; not for guidance or anything of the sort.

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

The most difficult part about them is doing it when you don’t want to, which is generally most of the time. Many of those things involve sacrificing one’s free time, which is easy enough to do on occasion, but not all the time.

I don’t think you’ll find that there are many people who do all, or even most, of those things (Catholics included). I do know several people who do, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re all Christian (and almost all Catholic). I have yet to meet a non-religious person, non-practising Christian, or someone from another religion who does even the majority of those things–though that’s not to say there aren’t any (and I can’t say I know a ton of atheists, agnostics, Muslims, etc. either).

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

This is interesting.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/when-does-praying-in-public-make-others-uncomfortable/

what about silently praying, without asking anyone to join in?

“I’ll pray for you,” Silverman hears, “You’re different from me and I’ll pray for you to change.

to be clear, that is never what I mean, when I say “I’ll pray for you”. When I pray for someone, pray for the help they need with whatever problem they are dealing with, or wisdom to deal with said problem. I normally reserve the “I’ll pray for you” comment, for when someone tells me they are facing serious difficulty or something like that.

I believe Christians are required to behave with decent conventionality out in general public spaces for regular day-to-day affairs. They shouldn’t make a spectacle of themselves or be disruptive. It isn’t difficult to pray without doing what is likely to draw attention.

Home or specifically Christian gatherings are the place for display.

If atheists engage in a discussions involving religion they shouldn’t get their noses out of joint at an “I’ll pray for you”.

Missionary or evangelical work for those who honestly feel called can be tricky. They should make their points and shake the dust from their feet if they don’t get a positive response. Precious things shouldn’t be subject to hard sell.

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

The most difficult part about them is doing it when you don’t want to, which is generally most of the time. Many of those things involve sacrificing one’s free time, which is easy enough to do on occasion, but not all the time.

I don’t think you’ll find that there are many people who do all, or even most, of those things (Catholics included). I do know several people who do, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re all Christian (and almost all Catholic). I have yet to meet a non-religious person, non-practising Christian, or someone from another religion who does even the majority of those things–though that’s not to say there aren’t any (and I can’t say I know a ton of atheists, agnostics, Muslims, etc. either).

I think even doing 2 or 3 good deeds a day is consistent enough to satisfy Yahweh. 2 or 3 isn’t hard at all.

That depends on what the deeds are.

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

The most difficult part about them is doing it when you don’t want to, which is generally most of the time. Many of those things involve sacrificing one’s free time, which is easy enough to do on occasion, but not all the time.

I don’t think you’ll find that there are many people who do all, or even most, of those things (Catholics included). I do know several people who do, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re all Christian (and almost all Catholic). I have yet to meet a non-religious person, non-practising Christian, or someone from another religion who does even the majority of those things–though that’s not to say there aren’t any (and I can’t say I know a ton of atheists, agnostics, Muslims, etc. either).

I think even doing 2 or 3 good deeds a day is consistent enough to satisfy Yahweh. 2 or 3 isn’t hard at all.

It’s not about “satisfying Yahweh,” though, it’s about growing in holiness.

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

The most difficult part about them is doing it when you don’t want to, which is generally most of the time. Many of those things involve sacrificing one’s free time, which is easy enough to do on occasion, but not all the time.

I don’t think you’ll find that there are many people who do all, or even most, of those things (Catholics included). I do know several people who do, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re all Christian (and almost all Catholic). I have yet to meet a non-religious person, non-practising Christian, or someone from another religion who does even the majority of those things–though that’s not to say there aren’t any (and I can’t say I know a ton of atheists, agnostics, Muslims, etc. either).

I think even doing 2 or 3 good deeds a day is consistent enough to satisfy Yahweh. 2 or 3 isn’t hard at all.

Your ignorance of the Bible is very clear in this statement.

Care to elaborate?

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RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

The most difficult part about them is doing it when you don’t want to, which is generally most of the time. Many of those things involve sacrificing one’s free time, which is easy enough to do on occasion, but not all the time.

I don’t think you’ll find that there are many people who do all, or even most, of those things (Catholics included). I do know several people who do, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re all Christian (and almost all Catholic). I have yet to meet a non-religious person, non-practising Christian, or someone from another religion who does even the majority of those things–though that’s not to say there aren’t any (and I can’t say I know a ton of atheists, agnostics, Muslims, etc. either).

I think even doing 2 or 3 good deeds a day is consistent enough to satisfy Yahweh. 2 or 3 isn’t hard at all.

It’s not about “satisfying Yahweh,” though, it’s about growing in holiness.

Well they are really one in the same. As you keep doing good deeds and keeping your faith strong your connection with God will be strengthened. I may be wrong about that since this is the 2nd time I have been told that my comprehension of the Bible was lacking.

DP

If someone stuck a 357 in your ear and said “Help those orphans and feed those nuns.”, you would quickly outdo Mother Theresa for good works. Your motivations must be taken into account. Many will say that they cast out demons and spread the Gospel and Jesus will tell those workers of iniquity to depart.

Genuinely good works, those with the right motivation, are the product and not the building blocks of sincere devotion to The Logos or The Law.

A 357 is a plane, right?

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

Living according to Catholic teachings is doing a heck of a lot. Take a look at Mother Theresa, for example. For most people, it just means trying to make the lives of everyone else around you better, in simple ways, but even then, it’s only nothing if you’re not really trying…

Other than not having sex before marriage and just being a decent person in general I don’t think living by those tenets is a particularly difficult challenge.

You’ve boiled Christianity down to just about nothing, and if you see it that way, it’s no wonder it seems easy. Even simple things, like being friendly with someone who’s a jerk to you, or performing random acts of kindness whenever the opportunity shows itself are easier said than done.

Volunteering in soup kitchens; protesting unjust laws; doing every chore, school assignment, and task at your job to the best of your ability; donating a sizeable amount of what you earn to charity; being cheerful even when your day has been crappy; cleaning the toilets so another family member doesn’t have to do it instead; sacrificing your time to help an acquaintance – or a stranger – with some difficulty; visiting people in the old folks home or the hospital just to cheer them up; taking the time to talk (cheerfully, sympathetically, and patiently) to that person who just won’t leave you alone and feels the desparate need to tell you their life story; or not getting angry at the guy who cuts you off in traffic are just a few of the things that every good Christian should do consistently, so far as they are able. Do I do them all? No. Most of them, yes, but it is very difficult to take time out of your schedule and visit strangers, or to not be irritable when you’re having a bad day, so as not to make it a bad day for other people.

Being kind to someone who wronged you is hard I admit but that depends on the person. Also “easier said than done” does not equate to “difficult”. It’s only difficult if you have little free time but the acts themselves aren’t.

The most difficult part about them is doing it when you don’t want to, which is generally most of the time. Many of those things involve sacrificing one’s free time, which is easy enough to do on occasion, but not all the time.

I don’t think you’ll find that there are many people who do all, or even most, of those things (Catholics included). I do know several people who do, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re all Christian (and almost all Catholic). I have yet to meet a non-religious person, non-practising Christian, or someone from another religion who does even the majority of those things–though that’s not to say there aren’t any (and I can’t say I know a ton of atheists, agnostics, Muslims, etc. either).

I think even doing 2 or 3 good deeds a day is consistent enough to satisfy Yahweh. 2 or 3 isn’t hard at all.

Your ignorance of the Bible is very clear in this statement.

Care to elaborate?

It’s very clear in its condemnation of self-righteousness and relying on good works.

I never condemned self righteousness and doing good deeds; I have merely stated that being a decent person and doing good deeds is easy…that’s all lol