Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released) — Page 38

Ah! Thank you so much!

Wow, this looks and sounds great. I can't wait for the cleaned up and colour-corrected version.

Please forgive me if you answered this, but will you be brightening and cleaning the image for a future release, or are you leaving that to whoever wants to use the footage for their preservations?

There are at least 3 versions of the ESB out. The original Grindhouse, a DCP cut, and the ESB deconstructed. Along with color corrected versions.

People are free to correct, and use those for their own projects.

The final cleaned version, will be based on a Fuji print, that has much better color quality and minimal damage to the print.

It will be awhile before we get around to releasing that.

Team Negative1

Oh! I'm going to have to do some more digging for the colour-corrected ones.

Hmm, not sure I have the tools to apply his work, but how would you personally adjust it in VLC?

Well, thanks to getting more hardware. One of the Team members is setting aside a machine to work on a cleaned version of the Grindhouse version, and possibly some color correction as well.

This will make it a 3.1 release. We will be posting some sample clips shortly.

Team Negative1

Excellent!

In your Star Wars thread, you wrote about how some cropping was necessary to properly preserve the image. Did you already do some cropping to the Grindhouse of Empire?

Here is the first of three short samples, this is one from R3 with one pass of cleaning done.

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k7Hc445aD2EkHFaX1yF

The aspect ratio has to be corrected, and some more cleaning needs to be applied.

Team Negative1

Even if it really does need further cleaning, wow, that detail. Look at the individual water droplets on the X-wing's cockpit.

Wow, just wow! I just watched the Grindhouse. I'm sorry I even mentioned I could add anything in terms of resolution. You're 35 mm preservations are now definitely at the top of my wish list. This effort is monumental. 

Thanks to all your team members for making this possible!

Thanks for the comments. Here's another minute and a half preview of some test cleanup from Reel 6:

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http://i.imgur.com/M9lo4LN.jpg

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6pA6epJw0LvbMaYSIM

Still needs some work.

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Not stabilized, some minor Color Correction, and not cropped.

Team Negative1

We are projecting some ideas for the ESB Grindhouse plus v3.1, so far:

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1) It will be 720p, this is just more convenient to work in, although the source is 1080p.

2) It will be MP4/MKV file with one audio track, the 35mm theatrical.

3) The cleaning varies from about 60%-80% of all the dust and dirt. Some of the more difficult parts (strings/ropes) might still be visible.

4) Parts of it will be color corrected.

5) It will be cropped.

6) It will not be GOUT synced, or have subtitles, etc.

7) We will not be dedicating too much more time to this. It was done because we have multiple machines rendering, and this was the first test. Of course the results are being used for Star Wars and Return of the Jedi.

Team Negative1

Great news, I can't wait. Can we use the subtitles that came with Grindhouse 1.0 ? Or the timing won't be the same ?

Each edit we've released has different timing, so the subtitles would be wrong.

Also, we are not cleaning the glue frames.

Team Negative1

What are the glue frames, again? Are those where scene changes occur and there tends to be a strip of glue along the very bottom of the frame?

Yes, that is correct. Every scene change has them. Some are not as bad as others, usually some discoloration/color fringing or artifacts at the bottom of the screen:

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Team Negative1

You said you were relying on cropping for that, correct?

(also, thank you for bringing up cropping because I ended up falling down a research hole and learning way, way too much about theatrical cropping and how all of the frame isn't actually used in projection)

No, cropping will not solve all those issues. There is too much at the bottom of those frames. They only last for 1 frame. So they are not noticeable, unless the damage is much greater, and even then they aren't. See if you can see them in the sample videos at normal viewing speed.

Team Negative1

Ahh, I see. You really do have to look for them.

I'm looking for a 1080p MKV of Grindhouse v1 with the corrected end-scene, did you release that ? On myspleen, I only found :

- a 1080p MKV without the corrected end scene.
- a .ISO with the corrected end scene.

I need it to burn my own BD with subs. Thanks !

Why would you not use the iso, then?

What it sounds like you're asking for would be for someone to download the iso and convert it into MKV format so you can convert it back to a blu-ray iso format. Is it a matter of not being able to add subs to the blu-ray easily? Still seems like the best option would be to use the corrected iso and play with that, rather than have someone make a new 20 gig upload for you.

Here is another test clip of 2 and a half minutes from reel 5, where Luke clashes with Vader, and Leia and Chewbacca try to save Han:

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k5FQYv8hCMgNOLb0EOb

NOTE : This is partially cleaned, and has some color correction done to it.

Team Negative1

Looking good. I know I've said it before, but what I like about the work you are doing is that the film will look like film, and not a digital video.

Keep up the good work.