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TheBoost said:

"Count Dracula" with Christopher Lee directed by Jess Franco is probably the best in both regards. Dracula is genuinly frightening, but with a depth that isn't romantic but more historical. Lots of great language from the novel, and a tour de force performance from Lee.

The only thing stopping it from being the clear and undisputed best Dracula was the ridiculous overuse of the zoom lens. It's like a home movie in some spots.

 

 Rewatched this film last night for the first time in maybe 4 years. I don't know how I was so enamored on it.

Lee IS Dracula. He owns the screen in one of is most compelling performances. Sadly, he only has about 4 minutes of screentime in the second half of the film. Herbert Lom as Van Helsing does pretty well, and Klaus Kinski is compelling as a silent Renfield, but overall the film loses so much steam in the last half hour that when the heroes show up to kill Dracula I had forgotten why they wanted to kill him.

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<I'm waiting for Boost to reply again, saying how much he still agrees with both TheBoost and also TheBoost.>

And Panaka thought C3PX(2006) and C3PX(2010) were bad...

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

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"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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^It is a bizarre watch to be sure.

Lee is great and Kinski is bewitching as always.

I don't think it was the plan to have a Renfield act like that, I get the impression Klaus refused to do anything and Franco was forced to just photograph him doing the little he would agree to do and yet the camera just loves his bizarre ugly beautiful/ beautiful ugly face. The off screen cries (often the source of much unintentional comedy and swooning from the two main actresses) don't sound like Mr Kinski so I assume they were just tacked on to create the impression that he was bonkers and not just having a relaxed weekend.

Everyone else (including Lom) seem to be trapped in 1970's spoof soap with nice costumes.

WOOF WOOF! (CLOSE UP OF A HARMLESS CAGED DOG)

Lucy : "What's that?"  Lucy faints.

It's a dog dear, they are rather common on Planet Earth.

Hilarious stuff.

And then you get something really genius like the Count vanishing leaving his shadow behind for a second a truly effective idea well executed.

It's really frustrating to see so many really good moments in such an hilariously awful film.

 

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Bingowings said:

 

Lee is great and Kinski is bewitching as always.

I don't think it was the plan to have a Renfield act like that, I get the impression Klaus refused to do anything and Franco was forced to just photograph him doing the little he would agree to do and yet the camera just loves his bizarre ugly beautiful/ beautiful ugly face. The off screen cries (often the source of much unintentional comedy and swooning from the two main actresses) don't sound like Mr Kinski so I assume they were just tacked on to create the impression that he was bonkers and not just having a relaxed weekend.

Everyone else (including Lom) seem to be trapped in 1970's spoof soap with nice costumes.

It's really frustrating to see so many really good moments in such an hilariously awful film.

 

For the record Xhonz, I was DISagreeing with myself. :-P

You're probably right Bingo about Kinski. I understand the man was nuts, and Jess Franco even says he somehow convinced Kinski that it WASNT a Dracula picture. But there's just something about Kinski, that watching him eat chips and do the crossword would be oddly haunting.

I'd enjoy a good trailer for that movie, showcasing the 3 1/2 truly great minutes.

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xhonzi said:

I assumed you had read the books based on your assertion 'didn't seem like the Holmes I know and love from the books.'  I've read them too. 

Did you catch what I was saying?  As a modern audience, we read more into the books than what's really there, but we do it without realizing what we are doing.

You didn't comment on that, so I'm not sure if you read it, or just thought I was accusing you of not reading the books...

I'm not really sure what is it you think I'm reading into the books(that isn't really there),  could you explain a little more?

TheBoost said:

Lee IS Dracula.

sorry, must disagree with you here.    IMHO there is only one Dracula, and it aint Lee . . .

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Watched Raiders of the Lost Ark.  I think the actual scene of the Nazis opening the ark may be one of the greatest moments in cinema.

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Robbin Hood,

 

I thought it was rather good

 

Inglorious Bastards was great, 

 

Oh and since i havent been here for a while and dont know what people thought of Avatar. It was good but i was honestly a little underwhelmed by it.

nice guys finish last
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Last movie seen: Iron Man 2.  Good but not as good as the first.

Before that: Hot Tub Time Machine - surprisingly brilliant.

War does not make one great.

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Warbler said:

TheBoost said:

Lee IS Dracula.

sorry, must disagree with you here.    IMHO there is only one Dracula, and it aint Lee . . .

 

Picture isn't showing up on my computer, but I feel very confident that it is a picture of Leslie Nielsen. Best Drac EVER!

 

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Oh and since i havent been here for a while and dont know what people thought of Avatar. It was good but i was honestly a little underwhelmed by it.

It was shit. But for some reason everyone drops their pants and rubs one out at the mere mention of its title. I don't get it. Even let myself be dragged into going to see it a second time and still didn't get why the mention of its title causes mass euphoria in the general population.

Both times I saw it I went with friends who paid my way and absolutely loved it, so both times I felt obligated to pretend I liked it. I have never felt that way about needed to pretend I liked a movie when I didn't just because someone else paid for the ticket, but in this case it wasn't just that they liked it, but that they were practically buzzing on some kind of thrill high on the way out of the theater to such a degree that I felt obligated to be happy for them and avoid any negative comments.

Kind of like your friend who excitedly shows you his newborn baby and asks, "Isn't she the most adorable thing you have ever seen?" when it fact it is by far one of the ugliest babies you have ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on, but you don't tell him that you just excitedly respond back, "Yeah, she is a really beautiful baby. Congradulations."

Am I just really weird, or has anyone else thought that way about this movie?

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C3PX said:

Kind of like your friend who excitedly shows you his newborn baby and asks, "Isn't she the most adorable thing you have ever seen?" when it fact it is by far one of the ugliest babies you have ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on, but you don't tell him that you just excitedly respond back, "Yeah, she is a really beautiful baby. Congradulations."

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Ya gotta see the bay-bee!

I rather liked Avatar.  But it didn't change my life.

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C3PX said:

Warbler said:

TheBoost said:

Lee IS Dracula.

sorry, must disagree with you here.    IMHO there is only one Dracula, and it aint Lee . . .

 

Picture isn't showing up on my computer, but I feel very confident that it is a picture of Leslie Nielsen. Best Drac EVER!

um, no.

TV's Frink said:

I rather liked Avatar.  But it didn't change my life.

I agree with Frink's assessment of Avatar.    IMHO, it needs to be seen 3D.  2D just doesn't do it justice. 

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I am curious how it will hold up when I finally buy it and watch it in 2D.  The 3D was very cool (especially as it was less "in your face" as I expected), but I think I may still enjoy it in 2D.  We'll see...

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Lee is Dracula (no really) he was just never allowed to be in a film where the story is correctly told.

Franco got the look right (possibly at Lee's insistence) but check the book.

The Count doesn't wear a cape, doesn't have an accent (only a strange intonation) is tall, well built, good mannered (when he wants to be) and doesn't have a bloody reincarnated lost love he is drippy over. He is also a cruel and vindictive monster.

The best adaptation is however the BBC version with Louis Jordan (almost everything in the book and very little else is there).

If Lee with his Franco look was in a production just a tad closer to the book than the BBC version you'd have the perfect Dracula.

The Crappola version is almost as annoying as the Franco one (so many lovely moments and costumes hidden in what is essentially a Carry On film without the penny whistle sounds).

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Avatar sucked another video game animated cgi video, not a film.

 

Hey at least Cameron is not destroying peoples childhoods by doing terminator sequels or prequels like Lucas and Spielberg.  Poor Star Wars and Indiana Jones, lol.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Bingowings said:

Lee is Dracula (no really) he was just never allowed to be in a film where the story is correctly told.

Franco got the look right (possibly at Lee's insistence) but check the book.

The Count doesn't wear a cape, doesn't have an accent (only a strange intonation) is tall, well built, good mannered (when he wants to be) and doesn't have a bloody reincarnated lost love he is drippy over. He is also a cruel and vindictive monster.

The best adaptation is however the BBC version with Louis Jordan (almost everything in the book and very little else is there).

If Lee with his Franco look was in a production just a tad closer to the book than the BBC version you'd have the perfect Dracula.

The Crappola version is almost as annoying as the Franco one (so many lovely moments and costumes hidden in what is essentially a Carry On film without the penny whistle sounds).

Bela may not be accurate to the book, but he is still THE Dracula of Draculas.    There is no other.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Avatar sucked another video game animated cgi video, not a film.

 

Avatar may have alot of CGI(too much),   but that doesn't mean it sucks or isn't a film.   

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skyjedi2005 said:

Hey at least Cameron is not destroying peoples childhoods by doing terminator sequels or prequels like Lucas and Spielberg.  Poor Star Wars and Indiana Jones, lol.

Can we coin a new phrase similar to "godwinned" like "skyjedied?"  Hmm, I think I just did!  Feel free to use it whenever someone interjects Lucas or SW into an unrelated conversation.

I'd also like to give everyone the gift of "Carp!" which is an intentional misspelling of "Crap!"

You are all welcome.

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TV's Frink said:


I am curious how it will hold up when I finally buy it and watch it in 2D.  The 3D was very cool (especially as it was less "in your face" as I expected), but I think I may still enjoy it in 2D.  We'll see...

Seeing it in 1080p on my in-laws' 42" LCD was nothing to sneeze at. Still very 3Dish.

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Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Lee is Dracula (no really) he was just never allowed to be in a film where the story is correctly told.

Franco got the look right (possibly at Lee's insistence) but check the book.

The Count doesn't wear a cape, doesn't have an accent (only a strange intonation) is tall, well built, good mannered (when he wants to be) and doesn't have a bloody reincarnated lost love he is drippy over. He is also a cruel and vindictive monster.

The best adaptation is however the BBC version with Louis Jordan (almost everything in the book and very little else is there).

If Lee with his Franco look was in a production just a tad closer to the book than the BBC version you'd have the perfect Dracula.

The Crappola version is almost as annoying as the Franco one (so many lovely moments and costumes hidden in what is essentially a Carry On film without the penny whistle sounds).

Bela may not be accurate to the book, but he is still THE Dracula of Draculas.    There is no other.

To be honest I'm not a fan of Bela's Dracula, though I love many of his other films.

White Zombie. The Dark Eyes Of London and the amazing The Black Cat are much better films and largely because of his amazing screen presence something largely hidden in the rather bland and stagey 1931 film version of Dracula...not his fault, Universal slashed the budget when Lon Chaney died (now there was a Dracula I would have loved to have seen).

Of The Universal Vampire cycle only Dracula's Daughter holds my interest.

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*Warbler's mouth drops out of shock*   I can understand calling the 1931 movie bland and stagey, but Bela's performance was excellent .  You prefer Dracula's Daughter over the original classic Dracula???    To each his own but . . . 

I will say I would have been interested in seeing Lon Chaney Sr.  play the role.    I must see his Phantom Of The Opera someday.

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I know this is girly, but I just watched The Other Boleyn Girl.

Before you start with the insults might I remind you of the cast...
Eric Bana- King Henry (where do I sign up for a guy like that? Hmmm)
Natalie Portman (total babe, how can we not love her after her SW days?)
Scarlett Johansson ( do I even NEED to say more?!)

~* you know you love me... xoxo *~

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I watched the Hangover.    Surprisingly, I liked it.     

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Bingowings said:

Lee is Dracula (no really) he was just never allowed to be in a film where the story is correctly told.

Franco got the look right (possibly at Lee's insistence) but check the book.

The Count doesn't wear a cape, doesn't have an accent (only a strange intonation) is tall, well built, good mannered (when he wants to be) and doesn't have a bloody reincarnated lost love he is drippy over. He is also a cruel and vindictive monster.

The best adaptation is however the BBC version with Louis Jordan (almost everything in the book and very little else is there).

If Lee with his Franco look was in a production just a tad closer to the book than the BBC version you'd have the perfect Dracula.

 The Coppola film is  a deconstruction, almost a parody, of the book.

As "Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula" I would have no problem with it, but in its very nature it's the least faithful version, despite being extremely faithful in the point-by-point story structure. One author rewrote "Gone With the Wind" from a slaves point of view

Lugosi's "Dracula" is more faithful to the spirit of the book, despite throwing the plot out the window.

I enjoy the Jordan BBC Dracula, but if Jordan had been any more low key he would have been actually dead, not undead. That man is SUBTLE. IMHO I'd still take a highly flawed film like the Franco "Dracula" with the megacharismatic Lee over the BBC version (and what was up with the negative images?)

On a side note, I finally get to see Jack Palance's "Dracula." Got the DVD in the mail yesterday!

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Warbler said:

*Warbler's mouth drops out of shock*   I can understand calling the 1931 movie bland and stagey, but Bela's performance was excellent . 

Agreed.

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Here's some catching up:

Yes Lugosi's performance is an icon, but Lee nails the nobleman and stronger figure more-not to mention being a physically imposing figure. He scared the crap out of me as a kid when I first saw Prince of Darkness-he has absolutely no dialogue and just hisses like mad. I like both and see them as two different ways to protray the same character. Max Schreck is creepiest.

The new Holmes film was just a Guy Ritchie movie dressed up as a a Holmes film. Billy Wilder nailed it with Private Life, something which Hollywood will never realize and never did (which is why they butchered it). However, the best Holmes performance is from Peter Cushing who sends it way out of the park. He is the only one to ever get that steely reserve and disdain down perfectly. (also the man I picture most when reading the stories).

The best Indy scene for me, and the moment when I fell in love with the character as a kid is the scene in the Cairo bar. Indy has just killed the love of his life and is drowning his sorrows with that dumb monkey on his shoulder. Then the talk with Belloq about how they are not so unalike with Indy's darkening face in the foreground growing nastier until: "You wanna talk to God? Let's go see him together. I've got nothing better to do."

I don't like CEot3K. I just can't help feeling like it's an more of an ego trip and less of a movie. I love it when Spielberg actually holds it in and makes a really great film (Duel, Jaws, Raiders, Empire of the Sun). I hope Tintin shows that he can do so again.

finally onto the last seen:

Major Dundee-extended version. This is a weird one. It's part Civil War, part Pekinpah male bonding, and very out there. It constantly fights with itself over being typical Hollywood fare and being the forerunner to The Wild Bunch. Definitely flawed, but ambitious and features a nastier Charlton Heston than we are accustomed to. I like it. I may also like it for having cheery music with the Main Titles over a burning massacre with corpses everywhere and for featuring James Coburn.

Iron Man and Iron Man 2. I was persuaded to watch the first film, and while it's always nice to see Robert Downey Jr. on top of the world-it was just flat. (can always go back to Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang) I found myself more enjoying the simple absurdities of: "why the heck would he do all this stuff in his garage?" and "Look at Jeff Bridges-he looks ridiculous!" than actually enjoying the movie. It is the same with the sequel even only more so. I like the small moments in these films-(superhero sitting in the doughnut sign, inebriation, etc.) than I do the cartoons that they become. Mickey Rourke does chew scenery like no one's business.

Gattaca. A modern sci-fi film with no explosions or action scenes. It's a drama. How in the heck did this ever get made??

One, Two, Three. Sidesplittingly funny Billy Wilder satire with a manic James Cagney. Beautiful B&W widescreen cinematography. Classic.

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