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how about a ESB:R trailer contest? ady has provided us with a substantial amount of material already. maybe he could feed us a few bits and scraps of just colour corrected scenes to bulk it up perhaps?
I lean closer towards what ImperialFighter suggested when it comes to the hallway idea. The image is nice, but I think it comes across as a bit too isolated. It is something that feels better suited for the Emperor rather than Vader IMO. I feel it's important to remember that often less is more. Since this isn't really a technical error in the strictest sense of the world, I feel any change should be as minimal as possible.
So I'm in favor of just deleting the three imperials outside and keeping the background the same (or perhaps a minor adjustment). By doing so it will look as if Piett had to go through two doors to reach Vader's room, thus giving it a little extra privacy without being too far away from the action.
teharri said:Hey I know this is a little off topic, but I was listening to that song "The begining is the end is the begining" by the smashin pumpkins and was thinking it would be a really cool song for a fan trailer for ESB. I know there are some people in this thread who are good at this stuff. And I know the song was from Watchmen
It was from Batman & Robin...bookends the OST along with The End is the Beginning is the End.
"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
Monroville said:doubleofive said:How does one get permission to use Vader's Personal Elevator? How could Vader be caught unawares if his wall dings that someone is headed down to see him? Just playing devil's advocate here (and I really like the hallway idea).
That one is easy: it's like the "basement" button in the Arkham Asylum elevator in BATMAN BEGINS. Only someone with the password or the key can unlock the button and use it, whereupon when someone uses it an automatic signal is sent to Vader in his chamber (so he knows someone is coming).
Also in regards to Vader's chamber, I would personally choose the elevator with airlock. Vader doesn't have to be 2 feet away from the bridge, being that with an elevator or hallway he could still be anywhere from 1 to 10 levels below the bridge and still within the command tower. I think the "privacy" factor is a more pertinent reason to change the background behind Piett than anything else.
Also also remember that when Luke took off the helmet in JEDI, the front face mask was still in place, which means Vader would still be using his mechanical breathing apparatus to... well, breath.
EDIT - it looks like the front IS attached to the rest of the helmet, as you can kind of see here (you can see it better when watching the movie):
I agree, the mask should stay on but the helmet should be lowered even if it does make out that Vader is a really lazy git for not using his hands (maybe the helmet needs to be locked onto the collar and mask, Luke does take some time removing it in ROTJ).
Tried to match the cave entrance matte with the previous shot that is different.
Also the perpespective is a bit messed up so i fix it a bit.
-Angel
Bingowings said:Monroville said:doubleofive said:How does one get permission to use Vader's Personal Elevator? How could Vader be caught unawares if his wall dings that someone is headed down to see him? Just playing devil's advocate here (and I really like the hallway idea).
That one is easy: it's like the "basement" button in the Arkham Asylum elevator in BATMAN BEGINS. Only someone with the password or the key can unlock the button and use it, whereupon when someone uses it an automatic signal is sent to Vader in his chamber (so he knows someone is coming).
Also in regards to Vader's chamber, I would personally choose the elevator with airlock. Vader doesn't have to be 2 feet away from the bridge, being that with an elevator or hallway he could still be anywhere from 1 to 10 levels below the bridge and still within the command tower. I think the "privacy" factor is a more pertinent reason to change the background behind Piett than anything else.
Also also remember that when Luke took off the helmet in JEDI, the front face mask was still in place, which means Vader would still be using his mechanical breathing apparatus to... well, breath.
EDIT - it looks like the front IS attached to the rest of the helmet, as you can kind of see here (you can see it better when watching the movie):I agree, the mask should stay on but the helmet should be lowered even if it does make out that Vader is a really lazy git for not using his hands (maybe the helmet needs to be locked onto the collar and mask, Luke does take some time removing it in ROTJ).
I don't know that he could lower it properly by himself. The EU explains that he could barely lift his hands over his head, and seeing how the suit restrains him, makes sense.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
- DarthZorgon (YouTube)
I really like the idea of the hallway leading to Vader's isolation room. I see him as way more depressed/introverted than the Emperor, so it's almost like a teenager that stays in his depressing room in the basement and broods all day.
Are there any schematics or whatever out there that show where Vader's room is on the ship?
I think another neat idea might be to have the door close really fast behind Piett, like those ones in ANH. He's already creeped out, plus, the door wants to kills him. Haha.
A cross section of the Executor would be awesome.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
- DarthZorgon (YouTube)
DarkFather said:A cross section of the Executor would be awesome.
Thats funny! I have the Complete Locations book that it has the executor bridge cross section but there is nowhere the indication of where is the chamber.
-Angel
Try double checking. That's pathetic if it doesn't include the chamber.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
- DarthZorgon (YouTube)
DarkFather said:Try double checking. That's pathetic if it doesn't include the chamber.
It doesn't include it. And one is for sure its not near the bridge.
vaderios said:DarkFather said:Try double checking. That's pathetic if it doesn't include the chamber.
It doesn't include it. And one is for sure its not near the bridge.
The Wookieepedia entry for the Executor has an interesting tidbit, right above where it says Hoth to Endor there's a picture that's captioned:
"The entrance to Darth Vader's meditation chamber, visible from the command salon."
When Han rides in the base entrance on a Tauntaun it's a slightly different angle & it is also much closer to the entrance than the shot at the left thus the entrance looks bigger. It doesn't need altered like that.
Sevb32 said:When Han rides in the base entrance on a Tauntaun it's a slightly different angle & it is also much closer to the entrance than the shot at the left thus the entrance looks bigger. It doesn't need altered like that.
Some issues are visible. its not the same ;)
If the cave entrance is not a problem at least the tower outside should be fixed to match the perpespective.
-Angel
http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=comparisondjh.jpg
Look at the comparison and tell me what you think? Does one need to be altered to look more like the other? I think both shots can co-exist, how do we know that canon in the closer shot is not another canon well behind and to the side the one in the further away shot?
Again, a cannon shoots things. Canon is everything that appeared in the OUT, as opposed to the EU. ;)
DarkFather said:Bingowings said:Monroville said:doubleofive said:How does one get permission to use Vader's Personal Elevator? How could Vader be caught unawares if his wall dings that someone is headed down to see him? Just playing devil's advocate here (and I really like the hallway idea).
That one is easy: it's like the "basement" button in the Arkham Asylum elevator in BATMAN BEGINS. Only someone with the password or the key can unlock the button and use it, whereupon when someone uses it an automatic signal is sent to Vader in his chamber (so he knows someone is coming).
Also in regards to Vader's chamber, I would personally choose the elevator with airlock. Vader doesn't have to be 2 feet away from the bridge, being that with an elevator or hallway he could still be anywhere from 1 to 10 levels below the bridge and still within the command tower. I think the "privacy" factor is a more pertinent reason to change the background behind Piett than anything else.
Also also remember that when Luke took off the helmet in JEDI, the front face mask was still in place, which means Vader would still be using his mechanical breathing apparatus to... well, breath.
EDIT - it looks like the front IS attached to the rest of the helmet, as you can kind of see here (you can see it better when watching the movie):I agree, the mask should stay on but the helmet should be lowered even if it does make out that Vader is a really lazy git for not using his hands (maybe the helmet needs to be locked onto the collar and mask, Luke does take some time removing it in ROTJ).
I don't know that he could lower it properly by himself. The EU explains that he could barely lift his hands over his head, and seeing how the suit restrains him, makes sense.
it also says is body is limited due to his burns. apparently some of his bones are week from the surgery and he can still feel the pain of the burns due to the heat in his suit.
So then how is it that he is able ot do all these cool sith things? That on top of force lightning being a one hitter quitter, Vader seems to actually suck. Then again Luke beat him only after a few years of "training".
That's why I don't believe Vader post-Mustafar personally hunted down and killed Jedi. His injuries left him in no condition to do so.
He went up against Obi-Wan in ANH because it was a profoundly personal situation that he needed the final say in. He went up against Luke because he knew Luke was a total amateur.
Vader probably did some training over the years, but if he had went up against a Jedi while they were in their prime (still young, yet highly skilled), he would be toast.
The Jedi Purge is one subject where I do reject EU. That's not to say that EU can't come in handy in answering questions we have from the films. Sometimes it does so brilliantly, and others it fails utterly.
"Fuck you. All the star wars movies were excellent. none of them sucked. Also, revenge of the sith is the best."
- DarthZorgon (YouTube)
I hope their is no change to they way Vader's helmet is put on there. If you watch the scene u will see a breathing tube is moved up before the helmet/mask is lowered and covered his face, I believe he liked to have his helmet and mask off from time to time.
DarkFather said:Bingowings said:Monroville said:doubleofive said:How does one get permission to use Vader's Personal Elevator? How could Vader be caught unawares if his wall dings that someone is headed down to see him? Just playing devil's advocate here (and I really like the hallway idea).
That one is easy: it's like the "basement" button in the Arkham Asylum elevator in BATMAN BEGINS. Only someone with the password or the key can unlock the button and use it, whereupon when someone uses it an automatic signal is sent to Vader in his chamber (so he knows someone is coming).
Also in regards to Vader's chamber, I would personally choose the elevator with airlock. Vader doesn't have to be 2 feet away from the bridge, being that with an elevator or hallway he could still be anywhere from 1 to 10 levels below the bridge and still within the command tower. I think the "privacy" factor is a more pertinent reason to change the background behind Piett than anything else.
Also also remember that when Luke took off the helmet in JEDI, the front face mask was still in place, which means Vader would still be using his mechanical breathing apparatus to... well, breath.
EDIT - it looks like the front IS attached to the rest of the helmet, as you can kind of see here (you can see it better when watching the movie):I agree, the mask should stay on but the helmet should be lowered even if it does make out that Vader is a really lazy git for not using his hands (maybe the helmet needs to be locked onto the collar and mask, Luke does take some time removing it in ROTJ).
I don't know that he could lower it properly by himself. The EU explains that he could barely lift his hands over his head, and seeing how the suit restrains him, makes sense.
That's a lousy design for a Sith Lord who gets into sabre battles, the EU is really daft at times.
Sevb32 said:
I hope their is no change to they way Vader's helmet is put on there. If you watch the scene u will see a breathing tube is moved up before the helmet/mask is lowered and covered his face, I believe he liked to have his helmet and mask off from time to time.
He may love to, I'm sure he would love to not have to wear the whole suit and be perfectly healed again but it weakens Luke's fear of taking the mask off if he can take it off in an unsealed environment and it adds to the importance of the unmasking scene if this is the first time he has been let out of the cage so to speak.
Sigh, next thing you know you'll want to delete the entire scene. Luke takes Vader's mask off in ROTJ outside his meditation chamber with no back up breathing device, which is what Vader was breathing thru in the the chamber, Vader died in ROTJ because the electricity ruined his suit and breathing devices. He was going to die anyway ("Nothing can stop that now.") but wanted to look on his son with his own eyes before he died. Kind of a miracle he survived ROTS.
Sevb32 said:Sigh, next thing you know you'll want to delete the entire scene. Luke takes Vader's mask off in ROTJ outside his meditation chamber with no back up breathing device, which is what Vader was breathing thru in the the chamber, Vader died in ROTJ because the electricity ruined his suit and breathing devices. He was going to die anyway ("Nothing can stop that now.") but wanted to look on his son with his own eyes before he died. Kind of a miracle he survived ROTS.
No, I just want the mask kept on but the helmet lowered (we hear some sort of kthunk! so presumably it was held on with some sort of complicated clasp that Luke had to take time disconnecting) which is a better explaination than the EU one which would make Vader a bit of a push over cybernetically (something made worse by the acrobatics of General Grievous and his droids in ROTS).
Adding an Anti-Kthunk! to the Jedi sound mix is something worth thinking about (true Anakin was already dying before he took his mask off but the mask was prolonging his ebbing away life).
Monroville said:
Also also remember that when Luke took off the helmet in JEDI, the front face mask was still in place, which means Vader would still be using his mechanical breathing apparatus to... well, breath.
EDIT - it looks like the front IS attached to the rest of the helmet, as you can kind of see here (you can see it better when watching the movie):I agree, the mask should stay on but the helmet should be lowered even if it does make out that Vader is a really lazy git for not using his hands (maybe the helmet needs to be locked onto the collar and mask, Luke does take some time removing it in ROTJ).
Now I wasn't saying anything should be CHANGED; I was just pointing out that the front of the mask was (could be) attached to the rest of the helmet. Again, he is in a (hyperbolic) chamber, and no doubt the particular room and chamber are sterile and designed for his comfort, being that Darth did kind of design the place for himself.
So I say just put an airlock to his chamber. I think the elevator with a small foyer would be best - it could be close to the bridge without being AIRPLANE 2 ridiculous about it, and if Vader needs a sterile environment so his wounds wouldn't get infected, he wouldn't have a single open door to the bridge (and all the germs).
You could have the scene play out as:
the area Piett is at there is a closed door. You see some small lights on the side or above the door to indicate a seal has been made (along with the appropriate air intake sound FX), the door opens up and in walks Piett, with another set of doors already closed behind him. Maybe something could be done with the lighting around the chamber (something bluish?) to indicate ambient lighting (most people meditate with low lights on, not flourescents).
- in regards to the front mask remaining on the helmet, it goes either way for me. In JEDI, the front is a separate piece from the helmet part. Yet again, when you watch this scene, you can see that there is something attached to the helmet that couldn't be anything other than the front face mask.
- in regards to Vader and his condition and abilities, the back story I always read (at least during STAR WARS: ANH up to EMPIRE) was that Vader became the way he did THROUGH the hunting of Jedi Knights. As in: Obi Wan didn't mess him up in one fell swoop so much as each Jedi he hunted and killed got their licks in and took a piece of Vader - thus all the scars and physical damage was done over many physical and mental fights over many battles.
In regards to the Hoth rebel base entrance, uh YEAH, they are quite a bit different. That IS supposed to be the same cannon (heh, heh, notice.. not canon): see how when Han is riding in there are rebel troopers carrying that box with the cables, and then in the second picture that same box is placed in front of the cannon they were placing it by in the Han shot? Not to mention, why have 2 cannons directly in front of each other?
If anything the cannon on the left needs to be moved waay back to match the distance of the right-side cannon, and get rid of BOTH of those ugly white mound things on the left sides around the cannons - just ugly matte work. You know, those troopers on the right need to be smaller too (I know the cannons aren't THAT big, but there is a slight size issue being that the soldiers are supposed to be a little behind the gun, not beside it.
-Angel
Vaderios:
I think the look is right, but just make the entrance on the right image (your edit) a little smaller. The left shot IS supposed to be a little farther away (than the Han taun-taun shot), but the "cut" of the cave is still a bit different and the placement of the left gun turret is WAY off.
Could you redesign both the entrance shots (above your mod-ed image) to:
(1) get rid of that stupid white mound on the left side of both gun turrets (just add more of the cave to go behind the turrets - hell, I think it would help the left turret stand out better)
(2) push the left turret and power box back a good 10 to 20 feet (in the second image)
(3) maybe move the distant troopers on the right more towards the center to give the impression they are directly walking out of the cave. It would also serve to put the right side turret "behind" them perspective wise.
(4) I still think we should be able to see a lot better and a lot more detail INSIDE the cave entrance. I know the blast doors are a good 20 feet from the cave entrance, but we should be able to see more stuff than just a black blob.
EDIT - actually, the opening you have done would probably be about right, considering that it has to be big enough for the rebel transports to get out of. The original opening is waay to small for those transports to fit through it. Then again, this may be the "fighter" entrance/exit, and there may be a back door or roofway access ala Mos Eisley for the bigger ships.
Something else I thought of: would it be cool to have the turret heads slowly move (especially in the second shot with the rebel trooper on top - as in: the turret is moving with his scan - have it pointing off to the right [almost profile shot] and slowly turn towards the direction it is pointing in now)?
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porkinsred6 said:Hey guys,
several pages ago there was a discussion about the duel in the carbon chamber scene. Right before luke falls in, vader does a cheesy lightsaber swipe, I guess to get luke to accidentally fall in the hole... I too never liked that scene so I came up with a possible solution: what if vader does a "force push"? I know Ady doesn't want to use prequel stuff in the originals but I think it really adds something to the fight. I don't like that luke is so stupid he doesn't realize he's gonna fall in. I also think vader is showing how superior he is. The force push would also occur in the middle of a bunch of other force powers (super jump, grabbing a lightsaber from across the room) so it flows well. I made a really crude mock up video where I cut out the swipe and added a really bad photoshop still with force push sound effect. (I apologize for the really bad quality of the edit I've never done one before)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZOO7J0YM
let me know what you think...
-porkinsred6
yeah I can't say that that would work. I think Luke falling into the carbonite chamber is his due to his lack of experience. as well, he needs to mind his surroundings... or he prepares to fall in and do so just to let vader think he has the upper hand. either way, it's the swipe that Vader takes that looks goofy imo. If he's not trying to kill him then ok, but it's just so... kaiju.
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