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In general, I don’t like negative campaign ads. But when you have a nazi running against you, you have to.
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In general, I don’t like negative campaign ads. But when you have a nazi running against you, you have to.
Or a child molester…
Or a serial sexual assaulter…
Or a witch…
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The former head of the American Nazi Party ran for the Republican nomination of Congress in Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. No Republican stepped up to oppose him.
On Tuesday, despite his vocal Holocaust denial, his anti-Semitic rhetoric, and his white supremacist views, 20,339 Illinois Republicans, according to preliminary totals, cast their ballots for Arthur Jones.
Jones’ Nazi-sympathies were not a secret going into election day. His campaign website features a slideshow of pictures of him speaking at white nationalist events. He is a perennial candidate who has previously run for U.S. House, Chicago alderman, and mayor of Chicago, and even mayor of Milwaukee. Chicago media extensively covered the race. The Anti-Defamation League warned voters of his record. The chairman of Illinois Republican Party even disavowed him, saying “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District.”
Still, a stunning portion of the GOP primary electorate opted to cast their ballot for Jones rather than nobody. This includes, according to unofficial totals as of Wednesday morning, 13,158 voters in suburban Cook County (more than 70 percent of 18,595 GOP primary ballots cast), 4,093 voters in Will County, 3,023 voters in the City of Chicago, and 65 voters in DuPage County.
While the National Republican Congressional Committee, the campaign arm of the House GOP, dismissed Jones last month as “a fringe candidate who has been doing this for over a decade with with no real connection to the GOP,” his campaign platform mirrors President Trump’s agenda. Jones’ campaign website promises to “put America first” with border protections, the elimination of “Sanctuary Cities”, no “amnesty for illegal aliens,” gun rights, and a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
unbelievable. I hope he doesn’t have a chance in the general election. This is really sad.
Optimist: He was the only option on the Republican primary ballot. 20,000 Republicans voting for a guy who is the only candidate for this particular office listed on the Republican primary ballot is not unbelievable. With no other options, I imagine many wouldn’t bother to learn much about him.
How many voting Republicans are there in this jurisdiction? How many Republicans voted in this election? Even if a nazi is the only person on the ballot, I still wouldn’t vote for him/her. I would cast a write-in vote. I doubt it was all that unknown that a nazi was on the ballot.
Pessimist: Now he’ll be the only candidate on the general ballot with an (R) next to his name. With no other candidates with an (R) next to their name, how many Republicans still wouldn’t bother to learn much about him?
Real Pessimist: How many Republicans would bother to learn much about him, and think he sounds pretty good?
This is one time where the Democrat should run all kinds of negative campaign ads. It needs to be gotten out there in that jurisdiction that they have nazi on the ballot.
The thing is, there’s no downside for the Nazi. If the Democrat runs attack ads, he plays victim to win sympathy using lines that by now are already well-worn and familiar to everyone (“You can’t say hardly anything these days without getting called a racist, amiright guys?”). If anyone (particularly the media) gives him any attention at all, then his message is magnified and spread to various sick minds throughout Illinois. If everyone ignores him, he’s got a (slim) chance of winning based entirely on voter ignorance.
That’s why Nazis are unlike other political ideologies. They don’t buy into that whole idea of “convince the voters/may the most popular ideas win” foundation of democracy, not one bit. To them, elections are nothing more than a tool to win power and followers, and winning and losing elections isn’t really that relevant. If they win, elections are great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge. If they lose, elections are rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Media is the same. If media likes them, free speech is great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge, if media hates them, free speech is rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Same with law enforcement – that’s nothing more than a weapon they can use against opponents, maintaining a civil society has nothing to do with it. They know they’re not liked. They know they’re not popular, and they wear their unpopularity as a badge of honor. They see the tools of democracy as toys that they can rig to take over regardless of how things are supposed to work. They operate outside democratic norms, and if you treat them like just another political ideology instead of a national security problem, you are going to find yourself in trouble.
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In general, I don’t like negative campaign ads. But when you have a nazi running against you, you have to.
Or a child molester…
Or a serial sexual assaulter…
Or a witch…
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https://thinkprogress.org/20000-illinois-republicans-voted-for-nazi-7bbeeb7631fd/
The former head of the American Nazi Party ran for the Republican nomination of Congress in Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. No Republican stepped up to oppose him.
On Tuesday, despite his vocal Holocaust denial, his anti-Semitic rhetoric, and his white supremacist views, 20,339 Illinois Republicans, according to preliminary totals, cast their ballots for Arthur Jones.
Jones’ Nazi-sympathies were not a secret going into election day. His campaign website features a slideshow of pictures of him speaking at white nationalist events. He is a perennial candidate who has previously run for U.S. House, Chicago alderman, and mayor of Chicago, and even mayor of Milwaukee. Chicago media extensively covered the race. The Anti-Defamation League warned voters of his record. The chairman of Illinois Republican Party even disavowed him, saying “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District.”
Still, a stunning portion of the GOP primary electorate opted to cast their ballot for Jones rather than nobody. This includes, according to unofficial totals as of Wednesday morning, 13,158 voters in suburban Cook County (more than 70 percent of 18,595 GOP primary ballots cast), 4,093 voters in Will County, 3,023 voters in the City of Chicago, and 65 voters in DuPage County.
While the National Republican Congressional Committee, the campaign arm of the House GOP, dismissed Jones last month as “a fringe candidate who has been doing this for over a decade with with no real connection to the GOP,” his campaign platform mirrors President Trump’s agenda. Jones’ campaign website promises to “put America first” with border protections, the elimination of “Sanctuary Cities”, no “amnesty for illegal aliens,” gun rights, and a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
unbelievable. I hope he doesn’t have a chance in the general election. This is really sad.
Optimist: He was the only option on the Republican primary ballot. 20,000 Republicans voting for a guy who is the only candidate for this particular office listed on the Republican primary ballot is not unbelievable. With no other options, I imagine many wouldn’t bother to learn much about him.
How many voting Republicans are there in this jurisdiction? How many Republicans voted in this election? Even if a nazi is the only person on the ballot, I still wouldn’t vote for him/her. I would cast a write-in vote. I doubt it was all that unknown that a nazi was on the ballot.
Pessimist: Now he’ll be the only candidate on the general ballot with an (R) next to his name. With no other candidates with an (R) next to their name, how many Republicans still wouldn’t bother to learn much about him?
Real Pessimist: How many Republicans would bother to learn much about him, and think he sounds pretty good?
This is one time where the Democrat should run all kinds of negative campaign ads. It needs to be gotten out there in that jurisdiction that they have nazi on the ballot.
The thing is, there’s no downside for the Nazi. If the Democrat runs attack ads, he plays victim to win sympathy using lines that by now are already well-worn and familiar to everyone (“You can’t say hardly anything these days without getting called a racist, amiright guys?”). If anyone (particularly the media) gives him any attention at all, then his message is magnified and spread to various sick minds throughout Illinois. If everyone ignores him, he’s got a (slim) chance of winning based entirely on voter ignorance.
That’s why Nazis are unlike other political ideologies. They don’t buy into that whole idea of “convince the voters/may the most popular ideas win” foundation of democracy, not one bit. To them, elections are nothing more than a tool to win power and followers, and winning and losing elections isn’t really that relevant. If they win, elections are great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge. If they lose, elections are rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Media is the same. If media likes them, free speech is great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge, if media hates them, free speech is rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Same with law enforcement – that’s nothing more than a weapon they can use against opponents, maintaining a civil society has nothing to do with it. They know they’re not liked. They know they’re not popular, and they wear their unpopularity as a badge of honor. They see the tools of democracy as toys that they can rig to take over regardless of how things are supposed to work. They operate outside political norms, and if you treat them like just another political ideology instead of a national security problem, you are going to find yourself in trouble.
You are the one that said maybe the Republican voters didn’t learn much about the guy. I am saying maybe the Democrats should teach them about the guy they just voted for.
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The former head of the American Nazi Party ran for the Republican nomination of Congress in Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. No Republican stepped up to oppose him.
On Tuesday, despite his vocal Holocaust denial, his anti-Semitic rhetoric, and his white supremacist views, 20,339 Illinois Republicans, according to preliminary totals, cast their ballots for Arthur Jones.
Jones’ Nazi-sympathies were not a secret going into election day. His campaign website features a slideshow of pictures of him speaking at white nationalist events. He is a perennial candidate who has previously run for U.S. House, Chicago alderman, and mayor of Chicago, and even mayor of Milwaukee. Chicago media extensively covered the race. The Anti-Defamation League warned voters of his record. The chairman of Illinois Republican Party even disavowed him, saying “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District.”
Still, a stunning portion of the GOP primary electorate opted to cast their ballot for Jones rather than nobody. This includes, according to unofficial totals as of Wednesday morning, 13,158 voters in suburban Cook County (more than 70 percent of 18,595 GOP primary ballots cast), 4,093 voters in Will County, 3,023 voters in the City of Chicago, and 65 voters in DuPage County.
While the National Republican Congressional Committee, the campaign arm of the House GOP, dismissed Jones last month as “a fringe candidate who has been doing this for over a decade with with no real connection to the GOP,” his campaign platform mirrors President Trump’s agenda. Jones’ campaign website promises to “put America first” with border protections, the elimination of “Sanctuary Cities”, no “amnesty for illegal aliens,” gun rights, and a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
unbelievable. I hope he doesn’t have a chance in the general election. This is really sad.
Optimist: He was the only option on the Republican primary ballot. 20,000 Republicans voting for a guy who is the only candidate for this particular office listed on the Republican primary ballot is not unbelievable. With no other options, I imagine many wouldn’t bother to learn much about him.
How many voting Republicans are there in this jurisdiction? How many Republicans voted in this election? Even if a nazi is the only person on the ballot, I still wouldn’t vote for him/her. I would cast a write-in vote. I doubt it was all that unknown that a nazi was on the ballot.
Pessimist: Now he’ll be the only candidate on the general ballot with an (R) next to his name. With no other candidates with an (R) next to their name, how many Republicans still wouldn’t bother to learn much about him?
Real Pessimist: How many Republicans would bother to learn much about him, and think he sounds pretty good?
This is one time where the Democrat should run all kinds of negative campaign ads. It needs to be gotten out there in that jurisdiction that they have nazi on the ballot.
The thing is, there’s no downside for the Nazi. If the Democrat runs attack ads, he plays victim to win sympathy using lines that by now are already well-worn and familiar to everyone (“You can’t say hardly anything these days without getting called a racist, amiright guys?”). If anyone (particularly the media) gives him any attention at all, then his message is magnified and spread to various sick minds throughout Illinois. If everyone ignores him, he’s got a (slim) chance of winning based entirely on voter ignorance.
That’s why Nazis are unlike other political ideologies. They don’t buy into that whole idea of “convince the voters/may the most popular ideas win” foundation of democracy, not one bit. To them, elections are nothing more than a tool to win power and followers, and winning and losing elections isn’t really that relevant. If they win, elections are great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge. If they lose, elections are rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Media is the same. If media likes them, free speech is great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge, if media hates them, free speech is rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Same with law enforcement – that’s nothing more than a weapon they can use against opponents, maintaining a civil society has nothing to do with it. They know they’re not liked. They know they’re not popular, and they wear their unpopularity as a badge of honor. They see the tools of democracy as toys that they can rig to take over regardless of how things are supposed to work. They operate outside political norms, and if you treat them like just another political ideology instead of a national security problem, you are going to find yourself in trouble.
You are the one that said maybe the Republican voters didn’t learn much about the guy. I am saying maybe the Democrats should teach them about the guy they just voted for.
I’m saying winning the election isn’t what he’s after, so Republican voters learning about him isn’t relevant. There’s no way he comes out of this with fewer followers than he went in with, win or lose. It’s a win/win, because Nazis know how to play the media and elections.
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In a lot of Trump-supporting circles, people actually think that it’s worse to call somebody a Nazi than it is to be a Nazi. That sounds crazy, but it’s true. They defended the alt-right for over a year with that line of thinking. “The left calls everybody Nazis,” etc. etc.
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There’s also the stupid contingent of “actually, Nazis were leftists!” rightwingers.
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The former head of the American Nazi Party ran for the Republican nomination of Congress in Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. No Republican stepped up to oppose him.
On Tuesday, despite his vocal Holocaust denial, his anti-Semitic rhetoric, and his white supremacist views, 20,339 Illinois Republicans, according to preliminary totals, cast their ballots for Arthur Jones.
Jones’ Nazi-sympathies were not a secret going into election day. His campaign website features a slideshow of pictures of him speaking at white nationalist events. He is a perennial candidate who has previously run for U.S. House, Chicago alderman, and mayor of Chicago, and even mayor of Milwaukee. Chicago media extensively covered the race. The Anti-Defamation League warned voters of his record. The chairman of Illinois Republican Party even disavowed him, saying “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District.”
Still, a stunning portion of the GOP primary electorate opted to cast their ballot for Jones rather than nobody. This includes, according to unofficial totals as of Wednesday morning, 13,158 voters in suburban Cook County (more than 70 percent of 18,595 GOP primary ballots cast), 4,093 voters in Will County, 3,023 voters in the City of Chicago, and 65 voters in DuPage County.
While the National Republican Congressional Committee, the campaign arm of the House GOP, dismissed Jones last month as “a fringe candidate who has been doing this for over a decade with with no real connection to the GOP,” his campaign platform mirrors President Trump’s agenda. Jones’ campaign website promises to “put America first” with border protections, the elimination of “Sanctuary Cities”, no “amnesty for illegal aliens,” gun rights, and a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
unbelievable. I hope he doesn’t have a chance in the general election. This is really sad.
Optimist: He was the only option on the Republican primary ballot. 20,000 Republicans voting for a guy who is the only candidate for this particular office listed on the Republican primary ballot is not unbelievable. With no other options, I imagine many wouldn’t bother to learn much about him.
How many voting Republicans are there in this jurisdiction? How many Republicans voted in this election? Even if a nazi is the only person on the ballot, I still wouldn’t vote for him/her. I would cast a write-in vote. I doubt it was all that unknown that a nazi was on the ballot.
Pessimist: Now he’ll be the only candidate on the general ballot with an (R) next to his name. With no other candidates with an (R) next to their name, how many Republicans still wouldn’t bother to learn much about him?
Real Pessimist: How many Republicans would bother to learn much about him, and think he sounds pretty good?
This is one time where the Democrat should run all kinds of negative campaign ads. It needs to be gotten out there in that jurisdiction that they have nazi on the ballot.
The thing is, there’s no downside for the Nazi. If the Democrat runs attack ads, he plays victim to win sympathy using lines that by now are already well-worn and familiar to everyone (“You can’t say hardly anything these days without getting called a racist, amiright guys?”). If anyone (particularly the media) gives him any attention at all, then his message is magnified and spread to various sick minds throughout Illinois. If everyone ignores him, he’s got a (slim) chance of winning based entirely on voter ignorance.
That’s why Nazis are unlike other political ideologies. They don’t buy into that whole idea of “convince the voters/may the most popular ideas win” foundation of democracy, not one bit. To them, elections are nothing more than a tool to win power and followers, and winning and losing elections isn’t really that relevant. If they win, elections are great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge. If they lose, elections are rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Media is the same. If media likes them, free speech is great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge, if media hates them, free speech is rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Same with law enforcement – that’s nothing more than a weapon they can use against opponents, maintaining a civil society has nothing to do with it. They know they’re not liked. They know they’re not popular, and they wear their unpopularity as a badge of honor. They see the tools of democracy as toys that they can rig to take over regardless of how things are supposed to work. They operate outside political norms, and if you treat them like just another political ideology instead of a national security problem, you are going to find yourself in trouble.
You are the one that said maybe the Republican voters didn’t learn much about the guy. I am saying maybe the Democrats should teach them about the guy they just voted for.
I’m saying winning the election isn’t what he’s after, so Republican voters learning about him isn’t relevant.
Well I and I think any sane person is concerned about a nazi winning an election, so voters(and the includes Republicans) learning about him is relevant.
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The former head of the American Nazi Party ran for the Republican nomination of Congress in Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. No Republican stepped up to oppose him.
On Tuesday, despite his vocal Holocaust denial, his anti-Semitic rhetoric, and his white supremacist views, 20,339 Illinois Republicans, according to preliminary totals, cast their ballots for Arthur Jones.
Jones’ Nazi-sympathies were not a secret going into election day. His campaign website features a slideshow of pictures of him speaking at white nationalist events. He is a perennial candidate who has previously run for U.S. House, Chicago alderman, and mayor of Chicago, and even mayor of Milwaukee. Chicago media extensively covered the race. The Anti-Defamation League warned voters of his record. The chairman of Illinois Republican Party even disavowed him, saying “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District.”
Still, a stunning portion of the GOP primary electorate opted to cast their ballot for Jones rather than nobody. This includes, according to unofficial totals as of Wednesday morning, 13,158 voters in suburban Cook County (more than 70 percent of 18,595 GOP primary ballots cast), 4,093 voters in Will County, 3,023 voters in the City of Chicago, and 65 voters in DuPage County.
While the National Republican Congressional Committee, the campaign arm of the House GOP, dismissed Jones last month as “a fringe candidate who has been doing this for over a decade with with no real connection to the GOP,” his campaign platform mirrors President Trump’s agenda. Jones’ campaign website promises to “put America first” with border protections, the elimination of “Sanctuary Cities”, no “amnesty for illegal aliens,” gun rights, and a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
unbelievable. I hope he doesn’t have a chance in the general election. This is really sad.
Optimist: He was the only option on the Republican primary ballot. 20,000 Republicans voting for a guy who is the only candidate for this particular office listed on the Republican primary ballot is not unbelievable. With no other options, I imagine many wouldn’t bother to learn much about him.
How many voting Republicans are there in this jurisdiction? How many Republicans voted in this election? Even if a nazi is the only person on the ballot, I still wouldn’t vote for him/her. I would cast a write-in vote. I doubt it was all that unknown that a nazi was on the ballot.
Pessimist: Now he’ll be the only candidate on the general ballot with an (R) next to his name. With no other candidates with an (R) next to their name, how many Republicans still wouldn’t bother to learn much about him?
Real Pessimist: How many Republicans would bother to learn much about him, and think he sounds pretty good?
This is one time where the Democrat should run all kinds of negative campaign ads. It needs to be gotten out there in that jurisdiction that they have nazi on the ballot.
The thing is, there’s no downside for the Nazi. If the Democrat runs attack ads, he plays victim to win sympathy using lines that by now are already well-worn and familiar to everyone (“You can’t say hardly anything these days without getting called a racist, amiright guys?”). If anyone (particularly the media) gives him any attention at all, then his message is magnified and spread to various sick minds throughout Illinois. If everyone ignores him, he’s got a (slim) chance of winning based entirely on voter ignorance.
That’s why Nazis are unlike other political ideologies. They don’t buy into that whole idea of “convince the voters/may the most popular ideas win” foundation of democracy, not one bit. To them, elections are nothing more than a tool to win power and followers, and winning and losing elections isn’t really that relevant. If they win, elections are great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge. If they lose, elections are rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Media is the same. If media likes them, free speech is great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge, if media hates them, free speech is rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Same with law enforcement – that’s nothing more than a weapon they can use against opponents, maintaining a civil society has nothing to do with it. They know they’re not liked. They know they’re not popular, and they wear their unpopularity as a badge of honor. They see the tools of democracy as toys that they can rig to take over regardless of how things are supposed to work. They operate outside political norms, and if you treat them like just another political ideology instead of a national security problem, you are going to find yourself in trouble.
You are the one that said maybe the Republican voters didn’t learn much about the guy. I am saying maybe the Democrats should teach them about the guy they just voted for.
I’m saying winning the election isn’t what he’s after, so Republican voters learning about him isn’t relevant.
Well I and I think any sane person is concerned about a nazi winning an election, so voters(and the includes Republicans) learning about him is relevant.
Sure. Sane people can, and most likely will, prevent him from winning the election. But sane people winning the election does not mean he loses. It just means he’s the same as he is today, but with a longer mailing list and better funding.
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The former head of the American Nazi Party ran for the Republican nomination of Congress in Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. No Republican stepped up to oppose him.
On Tuesday, despite his vocal Holocaust denial, his anti-Semitic rhetoric, and his white supremacist views, 20,339 Illinois Republicans, according to preliminary totals, cast their ballots for Arthur Jones.
Jones’ Nazi-sympathies were not a secret going into election day. His campaign website features a slideshow of pictures of him speaking at white nationalist events. He is a perennial candidate who has previously run for U.S. House, Chicago alderman, and mayor of Chicago, and even mayor of Milwaukee. Chicago media extensively covered the race. The Anti-Defamation League warned voters of his record. The chairman of Illinois Republican Party even disavowed him, saying “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District.”
Still, a stunning portion of the GOP primary electorate opted to cast their ballot for Jones rather than nobody. This includes, according to unofficial totals as of Wednesday morning, 13,158 voters in suburban Cook County (more than 70 percent of 18,595 GOP primary ballots cast), 4,093 voters in Will County, 3,023 voters in the City of Chicago, and 65 voters in DuPage County.
While the National Republican Congressional Committee, the campaign arm of the House GOP, dismissed Jones last month as “a fringe candidate who has been doing this for over a decade with with no real connection to the GOP,” his campaign platform mirrors President Trump’s agenda. Jones’ campaign website promises to “put America first” with border protections, the elimination of “Sanctuary Cities”, no “amnesty for illegal aliens,” gun rights, and a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
unbelievable. I hope he doesn’t have a chance in the general election. This is really sad.
Optimist: He was the only option on the Republican primary ballot. 20,000 Republicans voting for a guy who is the only candidate for this particular office listed on the Republican primary ballot is not unbelievable. With no other options, I imagine many wouldn’t bother to learn much about him.
How many voting Republicans are there in this jurisdiction? How many Republicans voted in this election? Even if a nazi is the only person on the ballot, I still wouldn’t vote for him/her. I would cast a write-in vote. I doubt it was all that unknown that a nazi was on the ballot.
Pessimist: Now he’ll be the only candidate on the general ballot with an (R) next to his name. With no other candidates with an (R) next to their name, how many Republicans still wouldn’t bother to learn much about him?
Real Pessimist: How many Republicans would bother to learn much about him, and think he sounds pretty good?
This is one time where the Democrat should run all kinds of negative campaign ads. It needs to be gotten out there in that jurisdiction that they have nazi on the ballot.
The thing is, there’s no downside for the Nazi. If the Democrat runs attack ads, he plays victim to win sympathy using lines that by now are already well-worn and familiar to everyone (“You can’t say hardly anything these days without getting called a racist, amiright guys?”). If anyone (particularly the media) gives him any attention at all, then his message is magnified and spread to various sick minds throughout Illinois. If everyone ignores him, he’s got a (slim) chance of winning based entirely on voter ignorance.
That’s why Nazis are unlike other political ideologies. They don’t buy into that whole idea of “convince the voters/may the most popular ideas win” foundation of democracy, not one bit. To them, elections are nothing more than a tool to win power and followers, and winning and losing elections isn’t really that relevant. If they win, elections are great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge. If they lose, elections are rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Media is the same. If media likes them, free speech is great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge, if media hates them, free speech is rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Same with law enforcement – that’s nothing more than a weapon they can use against opponents, maintaining a civil society has nothing to do with it. They know they’re not liked. They know they’re not popular, and they wear their unpopularity as a badge of honor. They see the tools of democracy as toys that they can rig to take over regardless of how things are supposed to work. They operate outside political norms, and if you treat them like just another political ideology instead of a national security problem, you are going to find yourself in trouble.
You are the one that said maybe the Republican voters didn’t learn much about the guy. I am saying maybe the Democrats should teach them about the guy they just voted for.
I’m saying winning the election isn’t what he’s after, so Republican voters learning about him isn’t relevant.
Well I and I think any sane person is concerned about a nazi winning an election, so voters(and the includes Republicans) learning about him is relevant.
Sure. Sane people can, and most likely will, prevent him from winning the election. But sane people winning the election does not mean he loses. It just means he’s the same as he is today, but with a longer mailing list and better funding.
Well right now it is choice between him the same as he is today but with a longer mailing list and better funding, and him in Congress. I think I will pick him the same as he is today but with a longer mailing list and better funding. I’d rather not have a nazi in Congress.
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The former head of the American Nazi Party ran for the Republican nomination of Congress in Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. No Republican stepped up to oppose him.
On Tuesday, despite his vocal Holocaust denial, his anti-Semitic rhetoric, and his white supremacist views, 20,339 Illinois Republicans, according to preliminary totals, cast their ballots for Arthur Jones.
Jones’ Nazi-sympathies were not a secret going into election day. His campaign website features a slideshow of pictures of him speaking at white nationalist events. He is a perennial candidate who has previously run for U.S. House, Chicago alderman, and mayor of Chicago, and even mayor of Milwaukee. Chicago media extensively covered the race. The Anti-Defamation League warned voters of his record. The chairman of Illinois Republican Party even disavowed him, saying “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District.”
Still, a stunning portion of the GOP primary electorate opted to cast their ballot for Jones rather than nobody. This includes, according to unofficial totals as of Wednesday morning, 13,158 voters in suburban Cook County (more than 70 percent of 18,595 GOP primary ballots cast), 4,093 voters in Will County, 3,023 voters in the City of Chicago, and 65 voters in DuPage County.
While the National Republican Congressional Committee, the campaign arm of the House GOP, dismissed Jones last month as “a fringe candidate who has been doing this for over a decade with with no real connection to the GOP,” his campaign platform mirrors President Trump’s agenda. Jones’ campaign website promises to “put America first” with border protections, the elimination of “Sanctuary Cities”, no “amnesty for illegal aliens,” gun rights, and a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
unbelievable. I hope he doesn’t have a chance in the general election. This is really sad.
Optimist: He was the only option on the Republican primary ballot. 20,000 Republicans voting for a guy who is the only candidate for this particular office listed on the Republican primary ballot is not unbelievable. With no other options, I imagine many wouldn’t bother to learn much about him.
How many voting Republicans are there in this jurisdiction? How many Republicans voted in this election? Even if a nazi is the only person on the ballot, I still wouldn’t vote for him/her. I would cast a write-in vote. I doubt it was all that unknown that a nazi was on the ballot.
Pessimist: Now he’ll be the only candidate on the general ballot with an (R) next to his name. With no other candidates with an (R) next to their name, how many Republicans still wouldn’t bother to learn much about him?
Real Pessimist: How many Republicans would bother to learn much about him, and think he sounds pretty good?
This is one time where the Democrat should run all kinds of negative campaign ads. It needs to be gotten out there in that jurisdiction that they have nazi on the ballot.
The thing is, there’s no downside for the Nazi. If the Democrat runs attack ads, he plays victim to win sympathy using lines that by now are already well-worn and familiar to everyone (“You can’t say hardly anything these days without getting called a racist, amiright guys?”). If anyone (particularly the media) gives him any attention at all, then his message is magnified and spread to various sick minds throughout Illinois. If everyone ignores him, he’s got a (slim) chance of winning based entirely on voter ignorance.
That’s why Nazis are unlike other political ideologies. They don’t buy into that whole idea of “convince the voters/may the most popular ideas win” foundation of democracy, not one bit. To them, elections are nothing more than a tool to win power and followers, and winning and losing elections isn’t really that relevant. If they win, elections are great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge. If they lose, elections are rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Media is the same. If media likes them, free speech is great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge, if media hates them, free speech is rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Same with law enforcement – that’s nothing more than a weapon they can use against opponents, maintaining a civil society has nothing to do with it. They know they’re not liked. They know they’re not popular, and they wear their unpopularity as a badge of honor. They see the tools of democracy as toys that they can rig to take over regardless of how things are supposed to work. They operate outside political norms, and if you treat them like just another political ideology instead of a national security problem, you are going to find yourself in trouble.
You are the one that said maybe the Republican voters didn’t learn much about the guy. I am saying maybe the Democrats should teach them about the guy they just voted for.
I’m saying winning the election isn’t what he’s after, so Republican voters learning about him isn’t relevant.
Well I and I think any sane person is concerned about a nazi winning an election, so voters(and the includes Republicans) learning about him is relevant.
Sure. Sane people can, and most likely will, prevent him from winning the election. But sane people winning the election does not mean he loses. It just means he’s the same as he is today, but with a longer mailing list and better funding.
Well right now it is choice between him the same as he is today but with a longer mailing list and better funding, and him in Congress. I think I will pick him the same as he is today but with a longer mailing list and better funding. I’d rather not have a nazi in Congress.
And that’s why we haven’t had good luck stopping Nazis in the last seventy years. We treat them like any other political party, and think defeating them at the ballot box is where it ends.
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The former head of the American Nazi Party ran for the Republican nomination of Congress in Illinois’ 3rd Congressional District. No Republican stepped up to oppose him.
On Tuesday, despite his vocal Holocaust denial, his anti-Semitic rhetoric, and his white supremacist views, 20,339 Illinois Republicans, according to preliminary totals, cast their ballots for Arthur Jones.
Jones’ Nazi-sympathies were not a secret going into election day. His campaign website features a slideshow of pictures of him speaking at white nationalist events. He is a perennial candidate who has previously run for U.S. House, Chicago alderman, and mayor of Chicago, and even mayor of Milwaukee. Chicago media extensively covered the race. The Anti-Defamation League warned voters of his record. The chairman of Illinois Republican Party even disavowed him, saying “The Illinois Republican Party and our country have no place for Nazis like Arthur Jones. We strongly oppose his racist views and his candidacy for any public office, including the 3rd Congressional District.”
Still, a stunning portion of the GOP primary electorate opted to cast their ballot for Jones rather than nobody. This includes, according to unofficial totals as of Wednesday morning, 13,158 voters in suburban Cook County (more than 70 percent of 18,595 GOP primary ballots cast), 4,093 voters in Will County, 3,023 voters in the City of Chicago, and 65 voters in DuPage County.
While the National Republican Congressional Committee, the campaign arm of the House GOP, dismissed Jones last month as “a fringe candidate who has been doing this for over a decade with with no real connection to the GOP,” his campaign platform mirrors President Trump’s agenda. Jones’ campaign website promises to “put America first” with border protections, the elimination of “Sanctuary Cities”, no “amnesty for illegal aliens,” gun rights, and a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
unbelievable. I hope he doesn’t have a chance in the general election. This is really sad.
Optimist: He was the only option on the Republican primary ballot. 20,000 Republicans voting for a guy who is the only candidate for this particular office listed on the Republican primary ballot is not unbelievable. With no other options, I imagine many wouldn’t bother to learn much about him.
How many voting Republicans are there in this jurisdiction? How many Republicans voted in this election? Even if a nazi is the only person on the ballot, I still wouldn’t vote for him/her. I would cast a write-in vote. I doubt it was all that unknown that a nazi was on the ballot.
Pessimist: Now he’ll be the only candidate on the general ballot with an (R) next to his name. With no other candidates with an (R) next to their name, how many Republicans still wouldn’t bother to learn much about him?
Real Pessimist: How many Republicans would bother to learn much about him, and think he sounds pretty good?
This is one time where the Democrat should run all kinds of negative campaign ads. It needs to be gotten out there in that jurisdiction that they have nazi on the ballot.
The thing is, there’s no downside for the Nazi. If the Democrat runs attack ads, he plays victim to win sympathy using lines that by now are already well-worn and familiar to everyone (“You can’t say hardly anything these days without getting called a racist, amiright guys?”). If anyone (particularly the media) gives him any attention at all, then his message is magnified and spread to various sick minds throughout Illinois. If everyone ignores him, he’s got a (slim) chance of winning based entirely on voter ignorance.
That’s why Nazis are unlike other political ideologies. They don’t buy into that whole idea of “convince the voters/may the most popular ideas win” foundation of democracy, not one bit. To them, elections are nothing more than a tool to win power and followers, and winning and losing elections isn’t really that relevant. If they win, elections are great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge. If they lose, elections are rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Media is the same. If media likes them, free speech is great, but no longer necessary once they’re in charge, if media hates them, free speech is rigged by a conspiracy please subscribe to our newsletter. Same with law enforcement – that’s nothing more than a weapon they can use against opponents, maintaining a civil society has nothing to do with it. They know they’re not liked. They know they’re not popular, and they wear their unpopularity as a badge of honor. They see the tools of democracy as toys that they can rig to take over regardless of how things are supposed to work. They operate outside political norms, and if you treat them like just another political ideology instead of a national security problem, you are going to find yourself in trouble.
You are the one that said maybe the Republican voters didn’t learn much about the guy. I am saying maybe the Democrats should teach them about the guy they just voted for.
I’m saying winning the election isn’t what he’s after, so Republican voters learning about him isn’t relevant.
Well I and I think any sane person is concerned about a nazi winning an election, so voters(and the includes Republicans) learning about him is relevant.
Sure. Sane people can, and most likely will, prevent him from winning the election. But sane people winning the election does not mean he loses. It just means he’s the same as he is today, but with a longer mailing list and better funding.
Well right now it is choice between him the same as he is today but with a longer mailing list and better funding, and him in Congress. I think I will pick him the same as he is today but with a longer mailing list and better funding. I’d rather not have a nazi in Congress.
And that’s why we haven’t had good luck stopping Nazis in the last seventy years. We treat them like any other political party, and think defeating them at the ballot box is where it ends.
It may not be where it ends, but they certainly do need to be defeated at the ballot box.
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In general, I don’t like negative campaign ads. But when you have a nazi running against you, you have to.
Or a child molester…
Or a serial sexual assaulter…
Or a witch…
If in “witch” you mean like “wiccan”, I’ll take the wiccan any day.
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In general, I don’t like negative campaign ads. But when you have a nazi running against you, you have to.
Or a child molester…
Or a serial sexual assaulter…
Or a witch…
If in “witch” you mean like “wiccan”, I’ll take the wiccan any day.
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The rot goes all the way through. Well, 86% of the way through.
The amounts spent at those two Trump properties comprised 86 percent of the RNC’s February expenses that were categorized specifically as “venue rental and catering.”
Of course, that leaves out the money those properties earned from other sources as a direct result of being chosen by the RNC as the venue.
And yes, to be fair, we should compare that to what percentage Trump properties earned before 2016. I’m pretty comfortable saying without even looking that it was a lot less.
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There’s also the stupid contingent of “actually, Nazis were leftists!” rightwingers.
Well, those people are either lying or are completely unintelligent and uneducated.
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In general, I don’t like negative campaign ads. But when you have a nazi running against you, you have to.
Or a child molester…
Or a serial sexual assaulter…
Or a witch…
If in “witch” you mean like “wiccan”, I’ll take the wiccan any day.
Nothing wrong with devil-worship.
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There’s also the stupid contingent of “actually, Nazis were leftists!” rightwingers.
Well, those people are either lying or are completely unintelligent and uneducated.
B-b-but they’re National Socialists! In the exact same way that the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is definitely a Democratic Republic, of course.
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Many are trolls in love with their Troll-in-Chief.
I have no idea what Mrebo’s problem is though.
I think it’s hilarious that such simple and good advice needs to be presented to him like he’s 5 years old and he’s still unable to follow it. And at the end of the day, this doesn’t change anything.
“An American president does not lead the free world by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections,” said Sen. John McCain
(I meant to post this earlier but I forgot)
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There’s also the stupid contingent of “actually, Nazis were leftists!” rightwingers.
Well, those people are either lying or are completely unintelligent and uneducated.
B-b-but they’re National Socialists! In the exact same way that the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is definitely a Democratic Republic, of course.
“Unheard of! Absurd!”
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Many are trolls in love with their Troll-in-Chief.
I have no idea what Mrebo’s problem is though.
I think it’s hilarious that such simple and good advice needs to be presented to him like he’s 5 years old and he’s still unable to follow it. And at the end of the day, this doesn’t change anything.
“An American president does not lead the free world by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections,” said Sen. John McCain
(I meant to post this earlier but I forgot)
It was also offensive when Trump congratulated Duterte. The phonecall with Putin was an opportunity for Trump to express U.S. opposition to Russia’s actions on the territory of an ally and Trump should have done so.
Ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned and died in London in 2006. In 2012, Obama congratulated Putin on winning the election. Obviously the timing of the two events was different. And I’m not excusing Trump or saying Obama was right or wrong. These are facts and historical context. Also of note, Obama signed a law a few months after congratulating Putin that imposed sanctions on certain Russians for the killing of a lawyer in Russia who exposed corruption (which really annoyed Putin and led to Russia prohibiting Americans from adopting Russian children). Right now the Trump Administration is looking at the possibility of further sanctions and other diplomatic actions against Russia.
The constant outrage some express about everything Trump does and doesn’t do must be tiring. I think a bit of gallows humor goes a long way.
The blue elephant in the room.
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So for those watching the Mueller witness show (making inferences from minor public announcements, because that damn ship doesn’t leak), there’s the carrots (Flynn, Gates, etc) and the sticks (Manafort). But Mueller just handed out an unusually large carrot. Complete immunity, granted to a nasty piece of work who could easily go down for a lot of unsavory shit. I’m hoping he got something equally large in return. And I hope Nader has a security detail, because he could be ratting on any or all of about four different organizations that like to assassinate people for fun and profit.
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Sorry for the incredibly long quoted text, but I saw it and thought it was worth posting. It’s about school security guards.
When Ed McClanahan first saw the teenager holding a .357 Magnum revolver in the middle of North Thurston High’s commons, the resource officer pointed his gun, but he couldn’t fire. All around the shooter, who had already sent a round into the floor and another into the ceiling, were other students, many running in terror, some frozen in confusion.
“It’s not like on TV,” McClanahan said. “You can’t just start blasting away with your gun. You could hit someone else, and that would be the worst thing in the world.”
He shifted his position, finding an angle that placed the gunman between him and a trophy case on that morning in 2015 in Washington state. McClanahan slid his finger on the trigger, and just as he began to apply pressure, a teacher tackled the 16-year-old.
In the nation’s capital, and in states across the country, lawmakers are debating how best to protect kids in schools, and much of the disagreement has centered on whether to hire more resource officers, arm teachers or do both. The answer to a key question — How effectively can someone with a gun protect a school from someone else with a gun? — is almost always missing from the discussion.
The Post analysis found that gun violence has occurred in at least 68 schools that employed a police officer or security guard. In all but a few of those incidents, the shootings ended before law enforcement of any kind interceded — often because the gunfire lasted only a few seconds. Prolonged attacks, of course, can be even more fraught, as McClanahan’s experience illustrates.
Of the nearly 200 Post-identified incidents of school gunfire, only once before this week has a resource officer gunned down an active shooter. In 2001, an 18-year-old with a 12-gauge pump-action shotgun was firing at the outside of a California high school when the resource officer rounded a corner and shot him in the face.
Whether that happened again Tuesday at Great Mills High in southern Maryland — where a 17-year-old gunman was fatally wounded after being confronted by a resource officer — remains unclear; investigators have not said whose bullet ended the teen’s life in an incident that also left two other students injured.
The NRA and other gun rights advocates have long argued that on-campus police deter school shooters. But do they?
The Post analysis shows that resource officers or security guards were present during four of the five worst rampages: Columbine and Marjory Stoneman Douglas, Marshall County High in Kentucky earlier this year and Santana High in California in 2001.
At least once, however, the threat of encountering resistance influenced an alleged school shooter’s plan. In 2016, a 14-year-old in South Carolina attacked his elementary school rather than his middle school in large part because the latter, investigators said, had armed security.
And, in several instances, resource officers appear to have saved lives without ever pulling a trigger.
In 2010, after a man pointed his .380 semiautomatic pistol at a principal in a Tennessee high school, Carolyn Gudger, a resource officer, drew her own weapon and shielded the administrator. The standoff continued until other officers arrived and killed the intruder, who never fired but refused to drop his gun.
Introducing weapons into schools for any reason, however, comes with real risk.
In 2004, a security guard approached a 16-year-old student she suspected of smoking marijuana behind a high school in New Orleans. After the student pushed her, she later told investigators, he appeared to reach for something under his shirt, so she shot him in the foot. The teen, however, was carrying neither drugs nor a weapon.
Two years ago, a resource officer in Michigan negligently fired his .380 Sig Sauer semiautomatic handgun, sending a round through a wall and ricocheting around a classroom — occupied by 30 students — until the bullet grazed a teacher’s neck, leaving a scratch. The officer, Adam J. Brown, later tossed the bullet in the grass in an attempt to hide the evidence, and he was eventually sentenced to a month in jail.
Those opposed to arming teachers point to incidents like these as the reason. If law enforcement professionals with extensive training to handle firearms make mistakes with them, what might go wrong if educators with far less training carry the same lethal weapons?
Just last week, an armed teacher at Seaside High in California inadvertently fired his gun into the ceiling, leaving two students injured by falling debris and a third by a bullet fragment.
And more than once, suicidal teens have sought out confrontations with armed resource officers at their schools. In 2008, a 17-year-old in California attacked one with a baseball bat in what police said was an attempt to force the man to kill him, which he did. A year later, in South Carolina, a 16-year-old struggling with depression stabbed a resource officer seven times with a bayonet before being shot to death.
For McClanahan, who’s now retired, a resource officer’s most essential role is to intercede well before an act of gun violence occurs. He and senior administrators would regularly discuss potentially dangerous students, and at least 10 times during his decade working in schools, he dealt with kids who had made serious threats, either to classmates or online. In each case, McClanahan said, he and other officers visited the students’ homes and asked to search their bedrooms.
But the teen who fired the two rounds at North Thurston had just recently enrolled. He had a troubled history, McClanahan said, but he’d never made a threat or talked about bringing a weapon to school. Resource officers can only do so much, he said, stressing that, in America 2018, the responsibility to prevent school shootings falls just as much on other students, teachers, coaches, neighbors, friends and, perhaps most of all, parents.
The teenager McClanahan nearly shot, he said, had gotten the .357 Magnum from his father’s sock drawer.
Comes from this article. It’s really long, but it was a really good read. I almost teared up at some parts.
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Cops shot an unarmed man to death because they thought he had a gun even though he didn’t. These are the people that are supposed to protect us? Keep them away from me and definitely keep them away from schools.
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