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Incredibly stupid and pointless lawsuit:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/12/28/roy-moore-asks-alabama-court-for-a-new-election/?utm_term=.9d2ef9cf2d74

Roy Moore, the Republican nominee who lost Alabama’s closely watched Senate race this month, has filed a last-minute legal complaint alleging “election fraud” and asking the state not to confirm the victory of Democrat Doug Jones.

In the complaint filed in state court, Moore’s campaign argues that Alabama “will suffer irreparable harm if the election results are certified without preserving and investigating all the evidence of potential fraud.” It cites rumors of election fraud that have already been investigated and refuted by the Alabama secretary of state, argues that high Democratic turnout in key areas was statistically unlikely, and reports that Moore himself has taken a polygraph test — an attempt to disprove allegations that he made unwanted sexual advances on teenagers when he was in his 30s.

Moore’s lawyers filed the complaint at 10:33 p.m. Wednesday night and announced it to reporters less than two hours later. At 1 p.m. Thursday, Alabama’s election officials — all Republicans — are scheduled to certify the election. Early Thursday morning, they gave no indication that they would delay that process. In Washington, leaders of both parties expect Jones to take his oath of office when the Senate returns next month.

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I do feel there is a compromise that takes the advantages of both systems into account; Warbler and I independently came to the same conclusion, in fact. But I definitely would prefer the popular vote over the electoral vote. This is contrary to most conservative thought, but it’s truly the way I feel.

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The popular vote would mean that smaller states don’t have a voice? Well, the electoral college means that several larger states don’t have a voice. The EC, combined with jerrymandering, has skewed election results more and more with each passing year.

John Koza, a leading researcher in one of my research fields (genetic programming), is no longer doing computer science, but instead focusing his efforts on leading the national popular vote movement. His talks are very persuasive.

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Going by the popular vote isn’t going to fix the underlying problems with the first-past-the-post system.

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Jeebus said:

Going by the popular vote isn’t going to fix the underlying problems with the first-past-the-post system.

No, but the electoral college is a problem that can be fixed without a constitutional amendment. Other problems are more due to the fact that we don’t have a parliamentary system, which would allow for things we don’t currently have, like third-party relevance.

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TV’s Frink said:

Incredibly stupid and pointless lawsuit:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/12/28/roy-moore-asks-alabama-court-for-a-new-election/?utm_term=.9d2ef9cf2d74

Roy Moore, the Republican nominee who lost Alabama’s closely watched Senate race this month, has filed a last-minute legal complaint alleging “election fraud” and asking the state not to confirm the victory of Democrat Doug Jones.

In the complaint filed in state court, Moore’s campaign argues that Alabama “will suffer irreparable harm if the election results are certified without preserving and investigating all the evidence of potential fraud.” It cites rumors of election fraud that have already been investigated and refuted by the Alabama secretary of state, argues that high Democratic turnout in key areas was statistically unlikely, and reports that Moore himself has taken a polygraph test — an attempt to disprove allegations that he made unwanted sexual advances on teenagers when he was in his 30s.

Moore’s lawyers filed the complaint at 10:33 p.m. Wednesday night and announced it to reporters less than two hours later. At 1 p.m. Thursday, Alabama’s election officials — all Republicans — are scheduled to certify the election. Early Thursday morning, they gave no indication that they would delay that process. In Washington, leaders of both parties expect Jones to take his oath of office when the Senate returns next month.

a pic of Roy Moore:

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We may get a replay of this race in Mississippi, FWIW. There’s another racist blowhard who already hasn’t conceded losses in the past (coincidentally making claims identical to Moore’s that high black voter turnout is a sure sign of fraud) named Chris McDaniel, getting a lot of support from national fascist groups to run for the Senate in 2018, against the incumbent Republican Roger Wicker, who’s just your mainstream run-of-the-mill hard-right racist who knows how to keep his mouth shut about it when the cameras are rolling.

Differences from the Alabama race–

Pro-Wicker:
Wicker’s got a long enough history of speaking at CCC (read: modern Klan) events that McDaniel may not be able to peel away enough of the racist votes. The Alabama election results will likely push fence-sitters toward Wicker.

Pro-McDaniel:
There is no evidence McDaniel sexually assaulted any minors. The Alabama election may push conspiracy nuts to double down on the crazy, and there does not appear to be any end to the crazy.

Pro-Republican:
Mississippi is a deep red state that’s simply not competitive for statewide offices. Trump carried the state with an 18 point margin. The Democrats haven’t yet fielded a credible candidate.

Pro-Democrat:
Trump won Mississippi by a smaller margin than Alabama, so they “only” need to gain 9-10 points, rather than 14 like they successfully did in Alabama. Mississippi has a larger black population than Alabama, so if black voters mobilize on a similar scale, it could make for a larger swing. Regular election year turnout should be higher than special elections, which tends to favor Democrats a little, although it’s still not likely to match Presidential election year turnout. If the Democrats manage to field a good candidate, there is plenty of material that could be used in a campaign to paint whichever Republican as deeply racist – but whether or not that would actually work to make the Republican more appealing to Mississippi voters is a legitimate question.

My take – Wicker’s already so racist, the Trumpites won’t see any reason to turn on him. He’ll win the primary, then the general, but he’ll win the general by less than 18 points over some placeholder Democrat if that’s any consolation.

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I’m old enough to recall when the NYC crime rate was a running gag on SNL.

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Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

I’m old enough to recall when the NYC crime rate was a running gag on SNL.

Those jokes are dated in a number of ways. I remember when Chevy Chase reported that New York City had changed its emergency number from 9-1-1 to 1-1-1 because of all the people who died while waiting for the 9 to come back around. These kids today don’t even know what that means anymore.

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One of the mid 80’s SNL seasons proclaimed New York The most dangerous city in America in the opening credits with cast members frantically trying to get off the streets or in dangerous situations. It’s a pity none of the post 1980 seasons will likely ever see a DVD release.

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Where were you in '77?

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946531657229701120

In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!

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yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946531657229701120

In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!

It is bitterly cold here.

The blue elephant in the room.

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yhwx said:

Mrebo said:

yhwx said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946531657229701120

In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!

It is bitterly cold here.

Not so much in other places.


Well then those other places should be spending some trillions to do something about it 😉

The blue elephant in the room.

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That’s a “sheesh” of agreement, yes?

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You do all realize he’s just trolling I hope. There’s gotta be a tweet reply out there along the lines of, “you never saw The Day After Tomorrow, did you?”

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

You do all realize he’s just trolling I hope. There’s gotta be a tweet reply out there along the lines of, “you never saw The Day After Tomorrow, did you?”

You hope wrong.