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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Frink, don’t be an ass.

As soon as Warbler admits he doesn’t know jack shit about women I’ll stop “being an ass.” Saying that no women like Star Wars is disgusting and offensive.

I didn’t say no women like Star Wars. I merely think that more men like it than women.

You said it several times until the post where I said you should have originally said it the way you just said it now.

I did? Well, I never meant that there are no female Star Wars fans.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

Because of our culture. Our culture says that men should like certain things and that women should like other things. There is a small biological factor, but it’s mostly culture reinforced since the time we are babies.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

go to any NFL stadium on game day, count the number of men vs. the number of women. See which is higher.

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

Because of our culture. Our culture says that men should like certain things and that women should like other things. There is a small biological factor, but it’s mostly culture reinforced since the time we are babies.

My 2yo daughter likes pink, and yellow, and a host of girl-centric things that I did not directly tell her to prefer. She is only 2. She was born with certain preferences.

I find this argument that children are wrongfully indoctrinated by the culture into liking things they shouldn’t as a rather arrogant presumption.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

I view it as a problem, because there’s no reason for it, and I tend to favor more equality in these situations. But this is a concept you seem not to understand.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

Because of our culture. Our culture says that men should like certain things and that women should like other things. There is a small biological factor, but it’s mostly culture reinforced since the time we are babies.

My 2yo daughter likes pink, and yellow, and a host of girl-centric things that I did not directly tell her to prefer. She is only 2. She was born with certain preferences.

Cultural things can be subtle when you’re already immersed in them. It’s not explicit.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Frink, don’t be an ass.

As soon as Warbler admits he doesn’t know jack shit about women I’ll stop “being an ass.” Saying that no women like Star Wars is disgusting and offensive.

I didn’t say no women like Star Wars. I merely think that more men like it than women.

You said it several times until the post where I said you should have originally said it the way you just said it now.

I did? Well, I never meant that there are no female Star Wars fans.

Warbler said:

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Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

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yhwx said:

You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.

Because it somehow helped?

Not that I can see.

It could have helped.

By getting more diverse people to join the forum?

The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.

And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.

Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.

That’s a problem.

Its a problem a that this place is a Star Wars forum or that Star Wars just doesn’t attract women?

The latter.

That “problem” goes beyond the scope of just this forum. It not going to change anytime soon. Men and women just like to watch different kinds of movies/tv shows.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.

Because it somehow helped?

Not that I can see.

It could have helped.

By getting more diverse people to join the forum?

The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.

And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.

Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.

Because it somehow helped?

Not that I can see.

It could have helped.

By getting more diverse people to join the forum?

The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.

And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.

Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.

That’s a problem.

Its a problem a that this place is a Star Wars forum or that Star Wars just doesn’t attract women?

Regardless, I apologize for flying off the handle. I guess you must have just worded multiple posts poorly.

JEDIT: Quotes are in wrong order but too much work to fix.

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

I view it as a problem, because there’s no reason for it, and I tend to favor more equality in these situations. But this is a concept you seem not to understand.

Your viewing it as a problem does not make it so. But maybe there is a reason for it and you are just not aware.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

Because of our culture. Our culture says that men should like certain things and that women should like other things. There is a small biological factor, but it’s mostly culture reinforced since the time we are babies.

My 2yo daughter likes pink, and yellow, and a host of girl-centric things that I did not directly tell her to prefer. She is only 2. She was born with certain preferences.

Cultural things can be subtle when you’re already immersed in them. It’s not explicit.

But you’re saying things must be made equal among male and female for the simple reason that they… should. Women like different things than men do sometimes. It doesn’t make it wrong. It doesn’t mean there’s inequality.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women, and yet it does, due to cultural/societal bullshit. I think it is a problem, though to what degree is definitely up for debate.

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DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women

You don’t know that. You don’t know why women prefer what they do compared to what men prefer, other than to assume the culture told them to.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

I view it as a problem, because there’s no reason for it, and I tend to favor more equality in these situations. But this is a concept you seem not to understand.

Your viewing it as a problem does not make it so. But maybe there is a reason for it and you are just not aware.

Hahaha.

Anyway, I never said it’s a problem if more men like Star Wars than more women (as an example). The problem is that women are actively discouraged from liking Star Wars. Look how the male fanbase treats women fans and women characters, or look how hard it is to find female-oriented Star Wars clothes or toys (especially pre-TFA). Just two examples.

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chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women

You don’t know that.

Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.

Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?

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If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women

You don’t know that.

Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.

Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?

You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?

I knew you were going to bring this up and the fact that you would compare the two is ludicrous. Star Wars is not completely and entirely targeted at children.

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yhwx said:

And here we go again, again.

If the thread wasn’t already going to be locked based on the last several pages, I’m certain it will be now.

And based on that alone, I will make no more posts in the thread today.

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TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

If I may, since we’re arguing equality, why does the culture tell us men shouldn’t like cartoons originally targeted toward female children?

I knew you were going to bring this up and the fact that you would compare the two is ludicrous. Star Wars is not completely and entirely targeted at children.

My point is, why does it matter?

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Why does it matter that fewer women like Star Wars?

It doesn’t matter. People like what they like. They don’t what they don’t. It’s not for you to feel oppressed on their behalf when they couldn’t care less about it.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.

You should have said that from the beginning.

Regardless, you might ask yourself why.

Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.

The latter is another one that you’re not quite as right as you think you are on. Rabid football fans are split almost evenly between men and women these days.

But is it a problem if more men than women like Star Wars?

Why should it be?

There’s no reason why Star Wars should appeal more to men than women

You don’t know that.

Star Wars is a universal story about good vs. evil, hope vs. despair, and selflessness vs. selfishness.

Honestly tell me why should Star Wars appeal to men more than women?

You boil the story down to that to suit your argument, but there’s more to the films than just that.

Yes but that’s what they’re about. There’s nothing inherent about “Star Wars” that should be more suited to a man than a woman. The films aren’t about the male experience specifically, nor should they be. They should be for everyone.

You might say, well the OT only has Leia and then only a couple very minor female roles. To which I say yes, that is definitely a problem with the OT.

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TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

And here we go again, again.

If the thread wasn’t already going to be locked based on the last several pages, I’m certain it will be now.

And based on that alone, I will make no more posts in the thread today.

I will join you in this stand.

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chyron8472 said:

Why does it matter that fewer women like Star Wars?

It doesn’t matter. People like what they like. They don’t what they don’t. It’s not for you to feel oppressed on their behalf when they couldn’t care less about it.

I’m saying it’s not a problem in and of itself but it is emblematic of other problems that exist in our culture (and in some ways the films specifically).