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Frink, don’t be an ass.
As soon as Warbler admits he doesn’t know jack shit about women I’ll stop “being an ass.” Saying that no women like Star Wars is disgusting and offensive.
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Because it somehow helped?
Not that I can see.
It could have helped.
By getting more diverse people to join the forum?
The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.
And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.
Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.
I’m not even going to read any farther to see if anyone else responded yet.
What the fuck, man?
what?
The thing you said
find huge place somewhere gather every Star Wars fan in the world there, how much you want to bet that number of men there won’t be greater than the number of women there. Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
Warbler, if you’re gonna keep saying demonstrably false things about what women like and don’t like, I’m gonna keep insisting you don’t actually know any women.
They’re pretty easy to meet. I hear that 1 in every 2 people is a woman.
Only if you live on Earth. On Tatooine there aren’t any women.
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Because it somehow helped?
Not that I can see.
It could have helped.
By getting more diverse people to join the forum?
The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.
And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.
Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.
That’s a problem.
Its a problem a that this place is a Star Wars forum or that Star Wars just doesn’t attract women?
The latter.
No offense but do you actually know any women? This is extremely ignorant.
You called me out, and you are 100% right. I am wrong right here. I think I read or interpreted that question wrong. I think it’s bad that this forum does not attract women. There are also deeper societal reasons as to why this is the case.
I am sorry for my accidental ignorance in this situation. People must always acknowledge when they are wrong. Again, sorry.
As I edited in above, the attitudes some display here […] both in off-topic and outside of it, are not exactly welcoming to women.
This was the point I was trying to make.
This may be true, but I don’t think the opinion of women’s breasts being considered private parts is unwelcoming toward women. The whole discussion, maybe, but not that opinion.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Warbler, if you’re gonna keep saying demonstrably false things about what women like and don’t like, I’m gonna keep insisting you don’t actually know any women.
They’re pretty easy to meet. I hear that 1 in every 2 people is a woman.
Only if you live on Earth. On Tatooine there aren’t any women.
Owen got lucky and married the only one. I think there was a girl in a deleted scene though, but that’s not canon.
The Person in Question
Warbler, if you’re gonna keep saying demonstrably false things about what women like and don’t like, I’m gonna keep insisting you don’t actually know any women.
They’re pretty easy to meet. I hear that 1 in every 2 people is a woman.
Only if you live on Earth. On Tatooine there aren’t any women.
So what you’re saying is that Beru was a…
Frink, don’t be an ass.
As soon as Warbler admits he doesn’t know jack shit about women I’ll stop “being an ass.” Saying that no women like Star Wars is disgusting and offensive.
Offensive?
Ignorant, maybe. But offensive?
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
How about everybody should wear a top when in public? Can we just agree on that and let it go?
Do you wear a top when you go swimming?
I do, but only because I’m self-conscious. I also don’t go swimming.
Citing equality doesn’t really fit, because they are not equal. Saying a woman should be paid as much as a man because a woman’s ability or intelligence is equal is not the same thing as saying women’s bodies, which are not identical to men’s, should be treated identically. Having a woman cover her breasts does not lower her social standing or make her to be inferior to a man.
Let’s turn the tables. Is the argument that a certain part of a man’s body should be censored because it’s different from that part on a woman a valid argument to you?
I don’t think it is censored because it different. I think there are reasons other than simply it being different as to why it is censored, and those reasons are potentially sound.
Women’s breasts aren’t just different-and-that’s-it. Men have sexual responses to them. Women have clothing that accentuates them. Women and men both treat women’s physical bodies differently than women and men both treat men’s bodies. Women have different attractions to men than men do to women, and so arguing that men’s bodies and women’s bodies should be treated equally (or identically) “because” isn’t reason enough to not treat the differently.
You don’t think women have sexual responses to men’s exposed chests?
are now going to try to tell me that women’s sexual responses to men’s exposed chests = men’s sexual responses to women’s exposed chests?
And now you’re suddenly the expert on women’s sexual response to men’s bodies.
I am not an expert but I will bet my life savings that
women’s sexual responses to men’s exposed chests ≠ men’s sexual responses to women’s exposed chests?
Source? That’s quite the generalization.
I have to have a source for that?
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Because it somehow helped?
Not that I can see.
It could have helped.
By getting more diverse people to join the forum?
The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.
And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.
Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.
That’s a problem.
Its a problem a that this place is a Star Wars forum or that Star Wars just doesn’t attract women?
The latter.
No offense but do you actually know any women? This is extremely ignorant.
You called me out, and you are 100% right. I am wrong right here. I think I read or interpreted that question wrong. I think it’s bad that this forum does not attract women. There are also deeper societal reasons as to why this is the case.
I am sorry for my accidental ignorance in this situation. People must always acknowledge when they are wrong. Again, sorry.
As I edited in above, the attitudes some display here […] both in off-topic and outside of it, are not exactly welcoming to women.
This was the point I was trying to make.
This may be true, but I don’t think the opinion that women’s breasts being considered private parts is unwelcoming toward women. The whole discussion, maybe, but not that opinion.
I don’t think I would make much of a distinction if I were a woman.
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Because it somehow helped?
Not that I can see.
It could have helped.
By getting more diverse people to join the forum?
The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.
And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.
Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.
I’m not even going to read any farther to see if anyone else responded yet.
What the fuck, man?
what?
The thing you said
find huge place somewhere gather every Star Wars fan in the world there, how much you want to bet that number of men there won’t be greater than the number of women there. Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You’re probably right, but definitely not as much as you think you are. Judging by pictures and footage of Star Trek conventions, there seems to be a pretty even split in men and women. I doubt that Star Wars is much different, but I’m sure it’s slightly more imbalanced.
The Person in Question
Citing equality doesn’t really fit, because they are not equal. Saying a woman should be paid as much as a man because a woman’s ability or intelligence is equal is not the same thing as saying women’s bodies, which are not identical to men’s, should be treated identically. Having a woman cover her breasts does not lower her social standing or make her to be inferior to a man.
Let’s turn the tables. Is the argument that a certain part of a man’s body should be censored because it’s different from that part on a woman a valid argument to you?
I don’t think it is censored because it different. I think there are reasons other than simply it being different as to why it is censored, and those reasons are potentially sound.
Women’s breasts aren’t just different-and-that’s-it. Men have sexual responses to them. Women have clothing that accentuates them. Women and men both treat women’s physical bodies differently than women and men both treat men’s bodies. Women have different attractions to men than men do to women, and so arguing that men’s bodies and women’s bodies should be treated equally (or identically) “because” isn’t reason enough to not treat the differently.
You don’t think women have sexual responses to men’s exposed chests?
are now going to try to tell me that women’s sexual responses to men’s exposed chests = men’s sexual responses to women’s exposed chests?
And now you’re suddenly the expert on women’s sexual response to men’s bodies.
I am not an expert but I will bet my life savings that
women’s sexual responses to men’s exposed chests ≠ men’s sexual responses to women’s exposed chests?
Source? That’s quite the generalization.
I have to have a source for that?
Yes. You must now have a source for every generalization you make about women.
Frink, don’t be an ass.
As soon as Warbler admits he doesn’t know jack shit about women I’ll stop “being an ass.” Saying that no women like Star Wars is disgusting and offensive.
Offensive?
Ignorant, maybe. But offensive?
I’m offended on my wife’s behalf, on my daughters’ behalf, and my dog’s behalf. All other women too, although I’ll admit it’s slightly presumptuous of me to be offended on behalf of all women, or at least all the women who believe they shouldn’t like something based on their gender alone.
Going back to something I’ve said on other topics, it’s not your place or mine to tell women not to be offended by this.
Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why Star Wars? Why not sci-fi? And who can say if the question is answerable?
Your statement suggests Warbler knows the answer and can reach it if only he stops to consider it.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
How about everybody should wear a top when in public? Can we just agree on that and let it go?
Do you wear a top when you go swimming?
I do, but only because I’m self-conscious. I also don’t go swimming.
These two sentences are not consistent.
Citing equality doesn’t really fit, because they are not equal. Saying a woman should be paid as much as a man because a woman’s ability or intelligence is equal is not the same thing as saying women’s bodies, which are not identical to men’s, should be treated identically. Having a woman cover her breasts does not lower her social standing or make her to be inferior to a man.
Let’s turn the tables. Is the argument that a certain part of a man’s body should be censored because it’s different from that part on a woman a valid argument to you?
I don’t think it is censored because it different. I think there are reasons other than simply it being different as to why it is censored, and those reasons are potentially sound.
Women’s breasts aren’t just different-and-that’s-it. Men have sexual responses to them. Women have clothing that accentuates them. Women and men both treat women’s physical bodies differently than women and men both treat men’s bodies. Women have different attractions to men than men do to women, and so arguing that men’s bodies and women’s bodies should be treated equally (or identically) “because” isn’t reason enough to not treat the differently.
You don’t think women have sexual responses to men’s exposed chests?
are now going to try to tell me that women’s sexual responses to men’s exposed chests = men’s sexual responses to women’s exposed chests?
And now you’re suddenly the expert on women’s sexual response to men’s bodies.
I am not an expert but I will bet my life savings that
women’s sexual responses to men’s exposed chests ≠ men’s sexual responses to women’s exposed chests?
Source? That’s quite the generalization.
I have to have a source for that?
Yes. You must now have a source for every generalization you make about women.
I don’t think he was generalizing, I think he was talking about erections. I have no idea though because he won’t explain himself.
The Person in Question
Frink, don’t be an ass.
As soon as Warbler admits he doesn’t know jack shit about women I’ll stop “being an ass.” Saying that no women like Star Wars is disgusting and offensive.
Offensive?
Ignorant, maybe. But offensive?
I’m offended on my wife’s behalf, on my daughters’ behalf, and my dog’s behalf. All other women too, although I’ll admit it’s slightly presumptuous of me to be offended on behalf of all women, or at least all the women who believe they shouldn’t like something based on their gender alone.
Going back to something I’ve said on other topics, it’s not your place or mine to tell women not to be offended by this.
I’ll say it’s not our place to tell women they should be offended. Perhaps women needn’t bother with it at all.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Frink, don’t be an ass.
As soon as Warbler admits he doesn’t know jack shit about women I’ll stop “being an ass.” Saying that no women like Star Wars is disgusting and offensive.
I didn’t say no women like Star Wars. I merely think that more men like it than women.
I tell everyone what they should and shouldn’t be offended by.
The Person in Question
Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why Star Wars? Why not sci-fi? And who can say if the question is answerable?
I don’t know what you’re driving at here but I was talking about Star Wars because Warbler said Star Wars. Obviously different women like all sorts of stuff that some people think are men’s domain. Star Wars. Sci-Fi. Football. Whatever.
Your statement suggests Warbler knows the answer and can reach it if only he stops to consider it.
Ok.
Frink, don’t be an ass.
As soon as Warbler admits he doesn’t know jack shit about women I’ll stop “being an ass.” Saying that no women like Star Wars is disgusting and offensive.
Offensive?
Ignorant, maybe. But offensive?
I’m offended on my wife’s behalf, on my daughters’ behalf, and my dog’s behalf. All other women too, although I’ll admit it’s slightly presumptuous of me to be offended on behalf of all women, or at least all the women who believe they shouldn’t like something based on their gender alone.
Going back to something I’ve said on other topics, it’s not your place or mine to tell women not to be offended by this.
I’ll say it’s not our place to tell women they should be offended. Perhaps women needn’t bother with it at all.
Ok.
Frink, don’t be an ass.
As soon as Warbler admits he doesn’t know jack shit about women I’ll stop “being an ass.” Saying that no women like Star Wars is disgusting and offensive.
I didn’t say no women like Star Wars. I merely think that more men like it than women.
You said it several times until the post where I said you should have originally said it the way you just said it now.
Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
Yes, there are female Star Wars fans, but not as many as there are male Star Wars fans.
You should have said that from the beginning.
Regardless, you might ask yourself why.
Why are there more female fans of Sex in the City than there are male fans? Why were there more male fans of American football than there are female fans? Men and women sometimes have different tastes.
Agreed, and that does not make it a “problem” when fewer women than men are perceived to like Star Wars. It just is. It is not a problem.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.